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[Mr. Canucklehead]

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[Jerry the great]

I still find it highly irritating that Mikheyev didn't get his surgery soon after the injury.

would have been the better way to go! He'd have missed all of year 1 but at least he'd have probably been close to fully back early/middle of year 2.

paying anything significant to give up on this player now could be a pretty big mistake.

A healthy Mikheyev is a very good penalty killer (despite limitations this season, he was only on the ice for 2 GA in over an hour of TOI) who's a serious threat to score short handed. His speed creates time and space for linemates and leads to a lot of penalties drawn (only Pettersson and Garland have more net).

This is the kind of situation where a player gets kicked to the curb, picks himself up, dusts himself off and turns around to see Bill Zito with a big shit eating grin on his face.

 

[Nick Lang]

I understand walking away from UFAs if the price is to high but isn't every UFA expecting a payday with the rising cap?

I don't really understand the strategy here. Maybe land a few bargain contracts?

Blockbuster trade perhaps?

If we are letting everyone walk we are entering the draft with almost the most cap space in the entire league!

Exactly. We have too many holes to fill to sign overpriced players like Zadorov, Joshua, and Lindholm. Same as last year but even tighter. We are relying on the core now.

He's a good 4C but I wouldn't want him playing anywhere higher up in the lineup.

Canucks need to find a good 3C to play toughs... not really sure what is out there though. A guy like Stephenson would be ideal but he would likely be looking for a big contract. Maybe Roslovic or Wennberg?

I'd look at a guy like Hakanpaa as a Cole upgrade... fits the mould of big dmen that management likes.

Other guys for the bottom 6 I would look at are Nosek and Blais. Should come relatively cheap.

Blueger is a glue player. He's find on the third line in our set-up imo. I think Nosek and Blais are great fourth liners. Especially Blais. Like Hakanpaa too.

I don't see what advantage Guentzel has over Lindholm right now. Maybe our top-6 looks better on paper with him but I think our team is better Lindholm. Guentzel is a great player but I don't think he's 2M better than Lindholm. Between the two of them Guentzel is the luxury. If we're spending big money on a forward it should be Reinhart instead.

Guentzel is an elite top 3 winger on any team, which we desperately need while Lindholm is an incredibly wasteful 3rd line center on our team, money wise.

Agreed about Juulsen. He was just a placeholder in that lineup construction. I think Brendan Dillon is rumoured to be on his way isn't he?

Hughes Hronek
Soucy Tanev
Dillon Myers

In that lineup again you have the top pairing doing all the heavy offensive lifting and the bottom 4 D there for defense and physicality primarily. I would prefer a set up where each pairing had more of a defense/offense mix - Zadorov provides some of that, and Myers can as well in spurts.

Yeah I'm down with Dillon. Looks like he's motivated to be here and fills the role we're looking for very nicely. Zadorov would be good he just wants too much for too long for what we need. I would probably play Dillon with Tanev but I think there is a lot of flexibility with that roster.

 

[CanadianPirate]

Fair comment. I forgot about Pearson and do credit that in their favor.

Beauvillier?

 

[Vector]

I've finished updating my spreadsheet, linked in the stickied first post, to include all of AFP's updated UFA & RFA projections.

 

[wonton15]

Hire Gilman

 

[Jerry the great]

Hire Gilman

Unlike under the previous regime, I don't get the sense that any of our cap issues come from a failure to understand it.

I've finished updating my spreadsheet, linked in the stickied first post, to include all of AFP's updated UFA & RFA projections.

finally.

 

[Vector]

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Honestly bullet dodged with Chatfield. Good for him though - from going undrafted to getting the bag.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Good for Dhaliwal breaking non Canucks news. Will be nice for him to get some recognition outside the market.

 

[Vector]

Joshua:
-Canucks know Joshua's number but can't get there now
-need to move Mikheyev to keep Joshua
-Canucks want to re-sign him
-double digit teams are interested; Maple Leafs & Blackhawks included

Blackhawks:
-may be interested in Guentzel
-looking to improve in the standings

4th Line:
-Lafferty is most likely gone
-had big interest in Duhaime at the deadline; interest has not gone away

 

[wonton15]

Some team is going to throw $4.5-5M at Joshua and it’s going to be awesome for Dakota

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Joshua:
-Canucks know Joshua's number but can't get there now
-need to move Mikheyev to keep Joshua
-Canucks want to re-sign him
-double digit teams are interested; Maple Leafs & Blackhawks included

Blackhawks:
-may be interested in Guentzel
-looking to improve in the standings

4th Line:
-Lafferty is most likely gone
-had big interest in Duhaime at the deadline; interest has not gone away

Duhaime makes sense.

Still want nothing to do with Joshua if he wants $4M+.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

3 years by $3M for Chatfield. Little less than I expected he would get, but a solid contract for both sides. Just not something I want the Canucks to be part of.

 

[Peen]

Can they make the cap work with Joshua, Myers, Blueger, 9ish for Guentzel, Hronek’s re-signing, and another top four guy?

Maybe with Dillon/Duhaime etc? I couldn’t a few weeks ago but wondering if anyone else has been able to make it work since the cap projection increased

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Just for fun, here is an interesting line up with Laine and Debrusk, and over $2m in cap space for deadline upgrade.

What I envision is:
1) trade Mik for Laine, with some sweetener to make it work for Columbus, but nothing crazy like our top prospects or 1st round pick.
2) sign DeBrusk for 6x6.
3) sign Blueger for 2x2, mainly to help with PK and he had some chemistry with Garland.
4) trade Hronek to Anaheim, they send Zegras + to Calgary, and we get Andersson. Picks and prospects might be involved to balance that out.
5) sign Myers for 2.75x2.
6) sign Dillon for 2.25x2. Can bump it up to 2.5x2 if needed.
7) sign a 3rd pairing RD for roughly 1.5x1 to 1.75x1. Miller is just a placeholder.
8) sign Duhaime for 1.25x2 for 4th line role and some PK utility.
9) sign Silovs for 1x2.

Top 6 looks to have lots of potential, bottom 6 is weak. Top pairing is slightly improved, bottom 4D has size but weaker than last year.

Should be a team competing for the division.

If Laine works out, great. If not he might go back to the Players Assistance Program, which should mean LTIR and we can utilize his $8.7m cap space. Worst case scenario is he struggles but doesn't end up on LTIR somehow, but he has been on LTIR so frequently that nobody will question it if he ended up there again. So while there are some risks, I don't think its as high as some thinks.

 

[credulous]

Can they make the cap work with Joshua, Myers, Blueger, 9ish for Guentzel, Hronek’s re-signing, and another top four guy?

Maybe with Dillon/Duhaime etc? I couldn’t a few weeks ago but wondering if anyone else has been able to make it work since the cap projection increased

~25m in space, 8 open roster spots (3f, 4d, 1g, 1 flex)

assuming (i think some of these are low, but for sake of argument)

joshua 3m
myers 3m
blueger 2m
guentzel 9m
hronek 7.5m

~500k under, 4 roster spots unfilled

if you move mikheyev you go back up to a bit more than 5m which gives room for silovs, someone like podkolzin or bains, a league min defender and 2-3m for dillon or cole or someone

 

[Peen]

Cant remember who was saying it yesterday and if it was on hfboards or twitter, but the fact benning got hit with a tampering charge when all you have to do is call your media pawns to put something out is so funny

 

[Jovofan]

I don't think we have the money to afford all three of Joshua, Guentzel and Hronek. Hronek and Guentzel would take up over half of our available cap space just by themselves and we'd still need to fill another 4 or 5 spots with only about $10m roughly to do so.

 

[Vector]

Can they make the cap work with Joshua, Myers, Blueger, 9ish for Guentzel, Hronek’s re-signing, and another top four guy?

Maybe with Dillon/Duhaime etc? I couldn’t a few weeks ago but wondering if anyone else has been able to make it work since the cap projection increased

Using AFP's contract projections.

UFAs:
Joshua - 4y/3.3m
Myers - 2y/2.75m
Blueger - 2y/2.2m
Guentzel - 7y/9.3m

RFAs:
Hronek - 7y/7.5m

Suter-Miller-Boeser
Hoglander-Pettersson-Guentzel
Joshua-Blueger-Garland
PDG-Aman-Podkolzin
Mikheyev

Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-Myers
???-Juulsen
???/???

Demko
???

Cap Space: 2.48m

Moving Mikheyev could leave them with as much as just under 7.25m to fill 5 spots. Most of those would be around league minimum.

So let's continue.

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UFA:
Dillon - 2y/2.9m
Duhaime - 3y/1.8m

RFA:
Silovs - 2y/1.0m

Mikheyev jettisoned somewhere with draft and prospect capital attached.

Suter-Miller-Boeser
Hoglander-Pettersson-Guentzel
Joshua-Blueger-Garland
Dumaine-Aman-Podkolzin
PDG

Hughes-Hronek
Soucy-Myers
Dillon-Juulsen
???/???

Demko
Silovs

Slightly over 1.5m in cap space on a 21/23 roster. Only enough to carry one more player since 2 league minimums won't fit.

 

[StickShift]

Can they make the cap work with Joshua, Myers, Blueger, 9ish for Guentzel, Hronek’s re-signing, and another top four guy?

Maybe with Dillon/Duhaime etc? I couldn’t a few weeks ago but wondering if anyone else has been able to make it work since the cap projection increased

It would be tight, and it would 100% require fully dumping Mikheyev.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Canucks playing hardball with everyone.

I think that's every single free agent we've had where "the Canucks know their number" - and in the case of Lindholm, Joshua and Zadorov it's that "the Canucks can't get to it", and with Myers and Blueger, it's basically telling them to wait until their bigger priorities are settled.

 

[sandwichbird2023]

Can they make the cap work with Joshua, Myers, Blueger, 9ish for Guentzel, Hronek’s re-signing, and another top four guy?

Maybe with Dillon/Duhaime etc? I couldn’t a few weeks ago but wondering if anyone else has been able to make it work since the cap projection increased

This is the best I can do based on the players and number you provided. There is $3.77m cap space to fill out the 3RD spot, so probably not enough to get another top 4 guy. This is running with a 21 men roster.

I also underestimated a little bit on the salary of Joshua, Blueger, Myers and Dillon, I think they all get about $250k to $500k more, so maybe the cap space available will be all gone and you'll have to plug in Juulsen as 3RD.

 

[racerjoe]

I don't think we should re-sign him, but calling Lindholm a 3C is very disingenuous.

 

[Vector]

I don't think we should re-sign him, but calling Lindholm a 3C is ver disingenuous.

Yeah, I've just given up on it. His icetime usage is always in the twenties. He's deployed on all special teams but used to anchor a third line. The main argument that paying 7m plus for a guy that is mostly used on the 3rd line at even strength is not a good allocation of cap space, sure I can understand that. The discussion about him is quite a bit more nuanced, though.

 

[VanillaCoke]

I don't think we should re-sign him, but calling Lindholm a 3C is very disingenuous.

It's jimtarded and destroys any credibility of the post(er).