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[Reverend Mayhem]

That dot above is not a dot. It's a gnat with ADHD, shaking it's head in dismay.

Why you gotta call me out like that?

 

[bossram]

I wonder if you could possibly trade Hronek to New York for Schneider + Cuylle/Othhmann. Might need to take a cap dump like Goodrow.

Basically zero chance. They love Schenider, and the cap considerations would make it pretty much impossible for them.

 

[lawrence]

Take Hronek to arbitration. Get 2 years.

Send him and Hog to Columbus for Jiricek.

Hughes - Jiricek
Soucy - Willander in 2 years.

Then try to flip Hughes for Power.

Power - Jiricek
Soucy - Willander.

That’s youth, size and skill.

why would you want Jiricek? he's exactly the type of player we don't want.

they may have made a rare mistake in the Lindholm

I don't think so. We got ourselves more depth. I don't see an issue here. right now if you ask me, blame the coaching putting both Lindy and Pettersson with everyone but each other.

 

[oceanchild]

I have a feeling the Canucks will want to circle back on Guentzel in July

It would represent a good use of resources while the team gets some good experiance this year in the playoffs.

 

[oceanchild]

Personally, my ABO (absolute best offer) is an AAV of $7.25M. I know it sounds insane but I think he could get as much as $8.5+M on the open market.

I agree with the premise that he is a tradeable asset if he wants to much. Not sure the cut off number as I don’t know the teams plans but something around what you posted makes sense. If the team intends to re-sign Myers and you can sign Tanev for 2/3 years at a bit more than I have wanted to (say $5m) then it’s worth a look. We would still be a RHD short on the second pair (arguably the first pair) but if we could get a young RHD with high potential it might be the best play.

I think Hronek, Boeser, Mikheyev and Garland will be in play as we head to the draft. It all depends on how confident this management group is in getting Tanev and/or Guentzel.

 

[oceanchild]

Take Hronek to arbitration. Get 2 years.

Send him and Hog to Columbus for Jiricek.

Hughes - Jiricek
Soucy - Willander in 2 years.

Then try to flip Hughes for Power.

Power - Jiricek
Soucy - Willander.

That’s youth, size and skill.

Why would we want to flip Hughes ?

If Gretzky was a Canuck in '81, HFCanucks would have traded him.

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That dot above is not a dot. It's a gnat with ADHD, shaking it's head in dismay.

First time he went two games in a row without scoring

 

[theguardianII]

Take Hronek to arbitration. Get 2 years.

Send him and Hog to Columbus for Jiricek.

Hughes - Jiricek
Soucy - Willander in 2 years.

Then try to flip Hughes for Power.

Power - Jiricek
Soucy - Willander.

That’s youth, size and skill.

Hronek and ? for Jireck and ? with Vancouver coming out on top. YES.

I could understand trying to use Hronke and Hog to get Power.

But trading Hughes is beyond terrible unless Dahlin is coming back the other way.

And even then, no thanks.

Any trade of Hughes will be to his brother's team IMO, likely after next year, not sure for who or what but a lot, a real lot.
If the Canuck put Hughes on the trade block it will be quite an auction, the return should be enough to maintain the standings and improve the depth and skill level of the team.

Yes, they would. Buffalo is absolutely desperate to make the playoffs. Getting Hughes helps them achieve that significantly faster than Dahlin who may never be as good a player. Hell, Dahlin is about to start a 11M deal that he has yet to justify being worth. Meanwhile, Hughes has three more seasons at 7.8M and is worth more than 11M

In short, Hughes is a better player, only a year older and cheaper. Buffalo would be tripping over themselves in a one for one trade.

There isn't a player on their whole roster I'd trade Hughes for. At least not one for one.

Hronek to Buffalo instead, but for who? Apart from Dahlin and Power who? Samuelsson and ?

I'm not too worried about Hronek though. Even if he does price himself out, RHD are in such demand we could get back a pretty solid return.

He should be worth more than was traded for him.

 

[theguardianII]

I think Hronek, Boeser, Mikheyev and Garland will be in play as we head to the draft. It all depends on how confident this management group is in getting Tanev and/or Guentzel

Tanev would be okay but he is running down but not Guentzel, too old. Sounds odd to say a player at 30 yrs old is too old but at that age and with the expected cap hit, too much.
Trade for Crouse, younger, under contract, scoring without playing with Crosby or Malkin, bigger with top six talent.
Guentzel could just re-sign with his buddy Crosby or the Canucks could make an offer for a Crosby rental.

Why would we want to flip Hughes ?

Because when he hits FA he wants to play with his brothers. That okay because the timing will be perfect for an infusion of younger larger players and prospects. The prospect depth is still needy in top six talent and the OEL cap hits are the largest right around then.

Hopefully the team has the NEXT goalie ready by then, they should have a pretty stout defence with Willander being the PP pivot. Maybe the team does have Jireck by then if a deal to swing Hronek for him and ???? can be made. IMO that would be a good deal, the team really only needs one puck carrying dman and what they will lose from Hronek they would make up with playoff size, a smaller cap hit which is very important and cap control of the player for 5 more years at least.

The Canucks seem to be, at THIS time, sliding down the standings to end up the season in 8th place in the league, maybe lower but not farther than 10th. Presently now with 5 teams within 2 points of catching or passing them.

 

[DFAC]

Hronek is not worth a dollar above 6m/year IMO.

He hasn't showed he can play without Hughes and has frankly been pretty average aside from the hot start. Hell, even Luke Schenn looked great when paired with Hughes. If he wants 8m a year then it's time to find a trade partner this offseason

 

[credulous]

i get why people think toews/dunn/ekblad put a cap on a hronek contract but he has an absurdly good arb case. he's putting up points and playing minutes like heiskanen, sergachev, pietrangelo, mcavoy, chabot, hamilton and power

with the cap increase he's gonna be arguing for 9m. i don't think he'll get it but saying you won't budge on 7m isn't realistic

 

[Jerry the great]

Take Hronek to arbitration. Get 2 years.

Send him and Hog to Columbus for Jiricek.

Hughes - Jiricek
Soucy - Willander in 2 years.

Then try to flip Hughes for Power.

Power - Jiricek
Soucy - Willander.

That’s youth, size and skill.

Hronek is only eligible for a 1 year arb award because he's eligible to be UFA after next season (and even if that wasn't the case, if we take him to arbitration he gets to select the term).

Jiricek at this point is a massive downgrade on Hronek and based on how he's playing in the AHL i would have serious reservations about his defensive game at the NHL level. Hronek at the same age in the AHL was a far better all around player that produced at ES and could run PP1. Over the last 2 seasons in the AHL, well over half (32/55) of Jiricek's points have come on the PP and he has been ventilated at ES (-24). so a big, but not physical PP merchant that whined to the media about not getting PP time and about getting sent back to the AHL. Yeah, lets trade for this guy and then flip our captain for Owen Power.

 

[Reverend Mayhem]

I agree with the premise that he is a tradeable asset if he wants to much. Not sure the cut off number as I don’t know the teams plans but something around what you posted makes sense. If the team intends to re-sign Myers and you can sign Tanev for 2/3 years at a bit more than I have wanted to (say $5m) then it’s worth a look. We would still be a RHD short on the second pair (arguably the first pair) but if we could get a young RHD with high potential it might be the best play.

I think Hronek, Boeser, Mikheyev and Garland will be in play as we head to the draft. It all depends on how confident this management group is in getting Tanev and/or Guentzel.

EP is a bit of a different circumstance, but the thing you can do with Hughes’ longer termed contract is what the red wings did with lidstrom, and set an internal cap and say well that’s our best player, it doesn’t make sense you make more than him, gauge his camps reaction to this and make an informed and timely decision on where to go from there.

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

Alvin gives some pretty good quotes these days.

 

[bossram]

i get why people think toews/dunn/ekblad put a cap on a hronek contract but he has an absurdly good arb case. he's putting up points and playing minutes like heiskanen, sergachev, pietrangelo, mcavoy, chabot, hamilton and power

with the cap increase he's gonna be arguing for 9m. i don't think he'll get it but saying you won't budge on 7m isn't realistic

His point production has slowed down a lot. If he only just clears 50 points, his 1-year RFA arbitration case most certainly will not be close to $9M.

On a long-term deal I think Walsh/Hronek want a minimum of $8M AAV. I certainly don't want that, but I do think that Hronek's high-end contract range has decreased quite a bit and waiting was the smart play from Allvin.

 

[credulous]

His point production has slowed down a lot. If he only just clears 50 points, his 1-year RFA arbitration case most certainly will not be close to $9M.

On a long-term deal I think Walsh/Hronek want a minimum of $8M AAV. I certainly don't want that, but I do think that Hronek's high-end contract range has decreased quite a bit and waiting was the smart play from Allvin.

he's going to finish top 10 in 5v5 scoring and top 20 in overall scoring (for dmen) with minimal power play time. in arb it doesn't matter what your raw numbers are it matters how that compares with those around you

the top 11 (because there's a tie for 10th) highest paid dmen going into next season are:

karlsson (11.5m)
dahlin (11m)
doughty (11m)
werenski (9.6m)
jones (9.5m)
mcavoy (9.5m)
fox (9.5m)
nurse (9.25m)
josi (9m)
makar (9m)
hamilton (9m)

hronek is 6th in total points, 3rd in ev points and 4th in ice time in that group. if you add in the next 9 highest paid players (down to 8m per: pietrangelo, sergachev, heiskanen, power, sanderson, trouba, burns, chabot, carlson) he only drops a couple spots in ice time and not at all in points

i'm not saying hronek deserves to be paid like these players but his agent is going to make a case to the arbitrators that he does and i have a hard time believing they aren't going to be swayed

there's a few names that help the sub-8m case but it's really just morrissey, hughes, toews and maybe letang and hedman. other than toews though those are all old contracts

 

[bossram]

he's going to finish top 10 in 5v5 scoring and top 20 in overall scoring (for dmen) with minimal power play time. in arb it doesn't matter what your raw numbers are it matters how that compares with those around you

the top 11 (because there's a tie for 10th) highest paid dmen going into next season are:

karlsson (11.5m)
dahlin (11m)
doughty (11m)
werenski (9.6m)
jones (9.5m)
mcavoy (9.5m)
fox (9.5m)
nurse (9.25m)
josi (9m)
makar (9m)
hamilton (9m)

hronek is 6th in total points, 3rd in ev points and 4th in ice time in that group. if you add in the next 9 highest paid players (down to 8m per: pietrangelo, sergachev, heiskanen, power, sanderson, trouba, burns, chabot, carlson) he only drops a couple spots in ice time and not at all in points

i'm not saying hronek deserves to be paid like these players but his agent is going to make a case to the arbitrators that he does and i have a hard time believing they aren't going to be swayed

there's a few names that help the sub-8m case but it's really just morrissey, hughes, toews and maybe letang and hedman. other than toews though those are all old contracts

Since when is the bold true? Are you an arbitrator? Are you in the room when they do the hearings?

Also your examples are not that relevant. The reason for those cap hits being high are that most of the years are priced as UFA years. An arbitration award for Hronek would be for the one, final year of his RFA eligibility. Players priced solely/mostly in RFA years would be more comparable.

He's not getting $9M in arbitration and I would wager significantly on that. It is highly unlikely it even gets to arbitration, in any event.

 

[JT Milker]

Karlsson at 11.5M lol.

 

[F A N]

Since when is the bold true? Are you an arbitrator? Are you in the room when they do the hearings?

Also your examples are not that relevant. The reason for those cap hits being high are that most of the years are priced as UFA years. An arbitration award for Hronek would be for the one, final year of his RFA eligibility. Players priced solely/mostly in RFA years would be more comparable.

He's not getting $9M in arbitration and I would wager significantly on that. It is highly unlikely it even gets to arbitration, in any event.

I wonder if one side will elect arbitration in any event to get a deal done. Unlikely to go to arbitration like you say but it does put pressure.

 

[Jerry the great]

Since when is the bold true? Are you an arbitrator? Are you in the room when they do the hearings?

Also your examples are not that relevant. The reason for those cap hits being high are that most of the years are priced as UFA years. An arbitration award for Hronek would be for the one, final year of his RFA eligibility. Players priced solely/mostly in RFA years would be more comparable.

He's not getting $9M in arbitration and I would wager significantly on that. It is highly unlikely it even gets to arbitration, in any event.

Hard to see him getting more than 6-7% of cap in arbitration. The 2yr deal Pulock signed (6.14% of cap) in in 2020 is a decent comp...similar age and role. Offensive numbers obviously not as good, but his physical game was/is better and his quality of teammate was absolutely not as strong, which is something that gets brought up during arb (recall the Brian Burke Elephant and Mouse story at Brendan Morrison's arb hearing). I would hope they can get something done before arbitration, because with 1 year left until UFA, that process could easily ruin the relationship.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

he's going to finish top 10 in 5v5 scoring and top 20 in overall scoring (for dmen) with minimal power play time. in arb it doesn't matter what your raw numbers are it matters how that compares with those around you

the top 11 (because there's a tie for 10th) highest paid dmen going into next season are:

karlsson (11.5m)
dahlin (11m)
doughty (11m)
werenski (9.6m)
jones (9.5m)
mcavoy (9.5m)
fox (9.5m)
nurse (9.25m)
josi (9m)
makar (9m)
hamilton (9m)

hronek is 6th in total points, 3rd in ev points and 4th in ice time in that group. if you add in the next 9 highest paid players (down to 8m per: pietrangelo, sergachev, heiskanen, power, sanderson, trouba, burns, chabot, carlson) he only drops a couple spots in ice time and not at all in points

i'm not saying hronek deserves to be paid like these players but his agent is going to make a case to the arbitrators that he does and i have a hard time believing they aren't going to be swayed

there's a few names that help the sub-8m case but it's really just morrissey, hughes, toews and maybe letang and hedman. other than toews though those are all old contracts

you are wholly ignorant of the nhl's arbitration process and best off not posting about it, IMO.

 

[oceanchild]

Tanev would be okay but he is running down but not Guentzel, too old. Sounds odd to say a player at 30 yrs old is too old but at that age and with the expected cap hit, too much.
Trade for Crouse, younger, under contract, scoring without playing with Crosby or Malkin, bigger with top six talent.
Guentzel could just re-sign with his buddy Crosby or the Canucks could make an offer for a Crosby rental.

Because when he hits FA he wants to play with his brothers. That okay because the timing will be perfect for an infusion of younger larger players and prospects. The prospect depth is still needy in top six talent and the OEL cap hits are the largest right around then.

Hopefully the team has the NEXT goalie ready by then, they should have a pretty stout defence with Willander being the PP pivot. Maybe the team does have Jireck by then if a deal to swing Hronek for him and ???? can be made. IMO that would be a good deal, the team really only needs one puck carrying dman and what they will lose from Hronek they would make up with playoff size, a smaller cap hit which is very important and cap control of the player for 5 more years at least.

The Canucks seem to be, at THIS time, sliding down the standings to end up the season in 8th place in the league, maybe lower but not farther than 10th. Presently now with 5 teams within 2 points of catching or passing them.

I’m just here trying not to spend assets, especially the kind on ELC

 

[bossram]

I wonder if one side will elect arbitration in any event to get a deal done. Unlikely to go to arbitration like you say but it does put pressure.

In these cases, the player almost always files for arbitration to ensure they get a fair deal for the next season - either by arbitration or forcing the team's hand.

The club absolutely does not want to end up in arbitration in this scenario. Hronek would walk to UFA and they'd be past the ability to trade him while he still has RFA status.

Hard to see him getting more than 6-7% of cap in arbitration. The 2yr deal Pulock signed (6.14% of cap) in in 2020 is a decent comp...similar age and role. Offensive numbers obviously not as good, but his physical game was/is better and his quality of teammate was absolutely not as strong, which is something that gets brought up during arb (recall the Brian Burke Elephant and Mouse story at Brendan Morrison's arb hearing). I would hope they can get something done before arbitration, because with 1 year left until UFA, that process could easily ruin the relationship.

Yes, $9M (or nearly 10% of an $88M cap) as said by another poster is clearly out of the question in arbitration. I think 7-8% of the cap would be closer to the award.

Again though, I really do not see this going to arbitration because it is very disadvantageous for the club in this situation. They'll either find a deal or trade.

 

[arttk]

Alvin gives some pretty good quotes these days.

"Allvin tells his UFA to beg for an extension" is the headline tomorrow.

 

[Bourne Endeavor]

he's going to finish top 10 in 5v5 scoring and top 20 in overall scoring (for dmen) with minimal power play time. in arb it doesn't matter what your raw numbers are it matters how that compares with those around you

the top 11 (because there's a tie for 10th) highest paid dmen going into next season are:

karlsson (11.5m)
dahlin (11m)
doughty (11m)
werenski (9.6m)
jones (9.5m)
mcavoy (9.5m)
fox (9.5m)
nurse (9.25m)
josi (9m)
makar (9m)
hamilton (9m)

hronek is 6th in total points, 3rd in ev points and 4th in ice time in that group. if you add in the next 9 highest paid players (down to 8m per: pietrangelo, sergachev, heiskanen, power, sanderson, trouba, burns, chabot, carlson) he only drops a couple spots in ice time and not at all in points

i'm not saying hronek deserves to be paid like these players but his agent is going to make a case to the arbitrators that he does and i have a hard time believing they aren't going to be swayed

there's a few names that help the sub-8m case but it's really just morrissey, hughes, toews and maybe letang and hedman. other than toews though those are all old contracts

The problem with this comparison is most of those defensemen you've listed are either the driving force on their respective teams, have a significantly larger showcase to prove their value or they won cups. One good season doesn't put you in this price category. At least not when you're a RFA.

Hronek hasn't shown he can drive a line without Hughes. In fact, he's shown precisely the opposite. If Hughes is off his game, Hronek immediately struggles. They're a good compliment to one another but it's abundantly clear who's benefiting from who.

All this aside, there is next to zero chance management pays Hronek more than Hughes over the next three seasons. And I'd love to hear his argument why he deserves more. Cap going up or not, Hughes is still locked at 7.8M for three more reasons.

 

[F A N]

In these cases, the player almost always files for arbitration to ensure they get a fair deal for the next season - either by arbitration or forcing the team's hand.

The club absolutely does not want to end up in arbitration in this scenario. Hronek would walk to UFA and they'd be past the ability to trade him while he still has RFA status.

Well Matthew Tkachuk didn't file for arbitration which led to the Flames filing for salary arbitration and then trading him. I'm not really sure if there is a common chess opener here.