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[andora]

This thread is f***ed

 

[Diamonddog01]

I strongly suspect that the plan is for Lekkermaki to replace Boeser in the top 6 when Boeser's contract is up. So Lek plays in the AHL next year and joins the team the year after that.

I don't think Lindholm is worth resigning or Stephenson is a great UFA target and the notion that either would be some sort of expensive 3rd line centre makes no sense - the team already has an excellent 3rd line C in Blueger who they are reportedly prioritizing re-signing. Also the reason people have pencilled in Tanev over Demelo on defense is that Tanev wants to come back here.

If they can re-sign Bluger and Joshua there isn't a lot that needs to be done:

Suter - Miller - Boeser
Hoglander - Petterson - Mikheyev
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
LW - Aman / Raty - Podkolzin

1) The team could use a big, defensively sound, bang & crash winger ala Trenin or Greenway for the fourth line

2) Swapping Mikheyev for a legitimate top 6 winger obviously is the dream, however one of the reasons I think they struggled to make a TDL move is that they had trouble finding a taker for the remaining two years of that contract. I'm not sure if they'll be able to move it out...so best hope he regains his blazing speed in the offseason.

 

[MS]

Is Mark stone really a way better player than Guentzel? I mean yeah he is probably the most complete 2 way player but Guentzel is also a PPG pure offense winger.
60pt shutdown winger vs 30-40 goal scorer that has a history of scoring above PPG in the playoffs. Impact wise it’s pretty comparable.

Mark Stone has averaged 80 points /82 games over the past 7 years and he didn’t need to be stapled to Crosby to get that production.

He’s a *vastly* better player than Guentzel and when healthy is one of the top 10-15 players in the NHL.

 

[Pastor Of Muppetz]

I strongly suspect that the plan is for Lekkermaki to replace Boeser in the top 6 when Boeser's contract is up. So Lek plays in the AHL next year and joins the team the year after that.

I don't think Lindholm is worth resigning or Stephenson is a great UFA target and the notion that either would be some sort of expensive 3rd line centre makes no sense - the team already has an excellent 3rd line C in Blueger who they are reportedly prioritizing re-signing. Also the reason people have pencilled in Tanev over Demelo on defense is that Tanev wants to come back here.

If they can re-sign Bluger and Joshua there isn't a lot that needs to be done:

Suter - Miller - Boeser
Hoglander - Petterson - Mikheyev
Joshua - Blueger - Garland
LW - Aman / Raty - Podkolzin

1) The team could use a big, defensively sound, bang & crash winger ala Trenin or Greenway for the fourth line

2) Swapping Mikheyev for a legitimate top 6 winger obviously is the dream, however one of the reasons I think they struggled to make a TDL move is that they had trouble finding a taker for the remaining two years of that contract. I'm not sure if they'll be able to move it out...so best hope he regains his blazing speed in the offseason.

There is definitely a huge risk in re-signing Lindstrom..but I have to say,that I’ve liked his play of late..definitely growing on me.

 

[Diamonddog01]

There is definitely a huge risk in re-signing Lindstrom..but I have to say,that I’ve liked his play of late..definitely growing on me.

He's been better of late for sure - I guess if they do find a taker for Mikheyev and if he starts to gel more with Petterson and he's ok with say a 5 x 5 deal maybe?

Doubtful that the stars align just so however. If they do get out from the Mikheyev contract I'd personally prefer to target Buchnevich but resigning Lindholm wouldn't cost assets and should, presumably be somewhat straightforward.

 

[sting101]

If I wasn't such a big fan of this team I would have hoped to see Miller traded and Boeser to leave with a pick attached.
That's what some of you deserve.

 

[andora]

Mark Stone has averaged 80 points /82 games over the past 7 years and he didn’t need to be stapled to Crosby to get that production.

He’s a *vastly* better player than Guentzel and when healthy is one of the top 10-15 players in the NHL.

this would be the next phase of fancy stats - stone (and hossa) should be studied to see true '2 way' effects

you can break the ice into whatever chunks you want - but basically from the top of the defensive faceoff circle to the top of the offensive faceoff circle - he is consistently incredible at the ability to read/anticipate plays, stick position and disrupting - there as to keep the puck in the offensive zone or to eat and wait for support or to get it out of the defensive zone

:edit addition: i forgot to mention neutral zone - angles and anticipation is off the charts. what he can do with the lack of speed needs to be acknowledged as he 'gets there' all the time.

 

[arttk]

Mark Stone has averaged 80 points /82 games over the past 7 years and he didn’t need to be stapled to Crosby to get that production.

He’s a *vastly* better player than Guentzel and when healthy is one of the top 10-15 players in the NHL.

Sure Stone is better, not going to debate that.

Point is, why does the bar need to be set to, we either get the best 2way in the game or don’t and keep Boeser. That makes no f***ing sense.
Is Guentzel an upgrade or Boeser and also if we can get him for “free” as a UFA, does it make sense for us to flip Boeser for assets. That is the discussion point.

 

[Diamonddog01]

Sure Stone is better, not going to debate that.

Point is, why does the bar need to be set to, we either get the best 2way in the game or don’t and keep Boeser. That makes no f***ing sense.
Is Guentzel an upgrade or Boeser and also if we can get him for “free” as a UFA, does it make sense for us to flip Boeser for assets. That is the discussion point.

I think that this would probably disrupt team chemistry and piss some players off and signing Guentzel to some monstrous 7 year, 8AAV deal or whatever is not remotely appealing.

 

[arttk]

I think that this would probably disrupt team chemistry and piss some players off and signing Guentzel to some monstrous 7 year, 8AAV deal or whatever is not remotely appealing.

What are we? A country club? I doubt any players would be mad if we replaced Boeser with a better player and if they are, we have issues.

 

[Peen]

I see both sides of it. The easy solution would be if Brock is willing to take a Nuge type deal and significant salary reduction. I don’t like the way that contract would age, but I think it’s the best compromise in terms of allowing the team flexibility over the short-medium term to improve

If he wants a lot, I think you can pretty easily justify moving on. I really do buy the locker room aspect to re-signing Boeser, but there’s also a very obvious internal replacement (if Lekkerimaki hits).

The moneypuck argument would be that maybe you can replace him in FA and he can probably net you a pretty good package and we need more assets. But, again, the human side

We will need another star level forward, so I get why there’s an argument for signing Guentzel. I just don’t think I’d do it, but I’ll be watching his stint with Carolina pretty closely

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Do you know how well Lekkerimaki is going to have to play in the AHL next year for management to have confidence in him to be a top line winger 18 months from now? Like anything short of Stankoven level performance probably rules it out.

Lekkerimaki is a likelier replacement for Mikheyev or Garland when their contracts are up in 2026...if that.

If the team moves on from Boeser you'll see them bring at least one winger in. The reality there are cheap top 6 wingers available every summer in UFA.

 

[arttk]

Do you know how well Lekkerimaki is going to have to play in the AHL next year for management to have confidence in him to be a top line winger 18 months from now? Like anything short of Stankoven level performance probably rules it out.

Lekkerimaki is a likelier replacement for Mikheyev or Garland when their contracts are up in 2026...if that.

If the team moves on from Boeser you'll see them bring at least one winger in. The reality there are cheap top 6 wingers available every summer in UFA.

I think they will let him stick in the A for at least like 1/2 a season to learn the defensive side of things. Don’t see them calling him up even if he is killing it offensively.

 

[racerjoe]

2) Swapping Mikheyev for a legitimate top 6 winger obviously is the dream, however one of the reasons I think they struggled to make a TDL move is that they had trouble finding a taker for the remaining two years of that contract. I'm not sure if they'll be able to move it out...so best hope he regains his blazing speed in the offseason.

The word is it was actually Poolman they wanted to move out.

Sure Stone is better, not going to debate that.

Point is, why does the bar need to be set to, we either get the best 2way in the game or don’t and keep Boeser. That makes no f***ing sense.
Is Guentzel an upgrade or Boeser and also if we can get him for “free” as a UFA, does it make sense for us to flip Boeser for assets. That is the discussion point.

It became a thing because a certain poster tried to make the comparison, and when challenged... they dug in instead of saying you are right they are not the same.

 

[MS]

Sure Stone is better, not going to debate that.

Point is, why does the bar need to be set to, we either get the best 2way in the game or don’t and keep Boeser. That makes no f***ing sense.
Is Guentzel an upgrade or Boeser and also if we can get him for “free” as a UFA, does it make sense for us to flip Boeser for assets. That is the discussion point.

I wasn’t taking a position in the discussion, I was just taking issue with the issue that Mark Stone is a ‘60 point two way winger’.

Dude is a superstar.

 

[Hammman]

Hmm. about that 4 or 5 year window with the core never being hurt.
RIP, Bourdon was going to be in the future, sometimes things just don't work out perfectly.

Demko not around in 2 years then what? Miller becomes a 50 point guy, Then what?

Planning on nothing changing or only improving is, well I guess what this forum is fantasy.

A real scramble on media to change the story to how good the Canucks are WITHOUT Demko.

Who pays the bills for these shows?

Allvin never promised a regular playoff contender as a matter of fact he hasn't said anything about consistently playing in the playoffs.
He did promise "A" playoff appearance. "The fans deserve a playoff appearance" Singular.

Demko or not the team is playing in the playoffs. Achieved

Your relentless optimism is truly infectious.

 

[arttk]

I wasn’t taking a position in the discussion, I was just taking issue with the issue that Mark Stone is a ‘60 point two way winger’.

Dude is a superstar.

Yeah I acknowledged that. Didn’t realize the reason he never put up more than 64 was because of injuries.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Mark Stone has averaged 80 points /82 games over the past 7 years and he didn’t need to be stapled to Crosby to get that production.

He’s a *vastly* better player than Guentzel and when healthy is one of the top 10-15 players in the NHL.

Has Guentzel had elite results in his current position?

I'll also disagree that Stone is a "vastly" better player than Guentzel (without further qualification from you on what that means), but it's not really the point of the argument. I'm not interested in bad faith semantics lessons.

 

[Hodgy]

I wasn’t taking a position in the discussion, I was just taking issue with the issue that Mark Stone is a ‘60 point two way winger’.

Dude is a superstar.

It all stems from @Bleach Clean claiming that the Canucks getting Guentzel this summer would be on the level of Vegas acquiring Stone. Which is obviously ridiculous, and I then mentioned that Stone was a “way better” player than Guentzel, which is true, and @Bleach Clean doubled down and took issue with that.

I will say it again, but Mark Stone is a super unique player in a tier of his own. And no, Jake Guentzel isn’t in that tier.

 

[Hodgy]

Has Guentzel had elite results in his current position?

Stone basically produces at the same rate as Guentzel, despite not playing with one of the greatest all time players, and is also a selke calibre player. How many more goals and assists with Stone have if he played with Crosby through his prime? The two players are not in the same tier. And this ignores the fact that Stone was acquired at age 26 whereas if Guentzel was acquired by the Canucks this summer he’d play his first game at 30 years of age.

You just need to concede you are wrong and move on.

 

[wonton15]

Brock Boeser

 

[pitseleh]

Stone basically produces at the same rate as Guentzel, despite not playing with one of the greatest all time players, and is also a selke calibre player. How many more goals and assists with Stone have if he played with Crosby through his prime? The two players are not in the same tier. And this ignores the fact that Stone was acquired at age 26 whereas if Guentzel was acquired by the Canucks this summer he’d play his first game at 30 years of age.

You just need to concede you are wrong and move on.

Vegas acquiring Stone is, in my view, much closer to some team trading for Pettersson before he re-signed than signing Guentzel this offseason.

But, yeah, Guentzel is a souped up version of Boeser and would be a big upgrade.

Unrelatedly, I wonder if Reinhart shakes loose from Florida this year and if so whether the Canucks would have interest. A year younger than Guentzel, local kid, and provides some centre insurance in case Miller or Pettersson get hurt, since the team has no depth there as it stands.

 

[Burke's Evil Spirit]

Man, I'd hate to pay Reinhart after the insane shooting bender he's had this year.

I do wonder what ends up happening in Florida though. They extended Forsling, but not Reinhart or Montour. I wonder if there's a world where they both re-up, but Ekblad (1 year left at $7.5M) shakes loose. Would love to add him.

 

[ddawg1950]

So I am right again.

That isn't his groin he's reaching for.

It ain't his knee either if that move has anything to do with the injury.

I'll tell you what it could be,

He hears or feels a "pop" and get a pinching paid near his ass.

His hip, it will need cleaning up now.

Isn't it weird, he reaches for his ass and every story is about a knee, which he doesn't reach for, a groin which if ANY BODY has pilled or tore a groin will know you don't reach behind your ass.

It could have been a hamstring, where you DO reach for your ass. And attached ligament(s).

FYI this was posted over 20 minutes before all the new chat, first by quite a bit.

You need to be careful setting your hair on fire like this.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Vegas acquiring Stone is, in my view, much closer to some team trading for Pettersson before he re-signed than signing Guentzel this offseason.

But, yeah, Guentzel is a souped up version of Boeser and would be a big upgrade.

Edit: A big enough upgrade to warrant taking the older player on a max deal? To me, yes, but it seems that this is not a popular concept here.

Unrelatedly, I wonder if Reinhart shakes loose from Florida this year and if so whether the Canucks would have interest. A year younger than Guentzel, local kid, and provides some centre insurance in case Miller or Pettersson get hurt, since the team has no depth there as it stands.

I considered Reinhart. Probably gets more than Guentzel on a max term deal. That would be my only hesitation.