Canucks News, Rumours, and & Fantasy GM | Off-Season Edition | Not satisfied, so now what?

[Mr. Canucklehead]

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[sting101]

Necas i would love to get. Has so much break out potential when he transitions to C full time. The perfect player to help get set up on the PP too with his wheels

Lindholm i think people are forgetting that we may need another C in short order if they want to start using Miller more as a winger and Pettersson with this knee issue and his lack of strength is better suited to not have to fight through the F3 plus a Dman to get close enough to use his shot.

Certainly he's a good responsible two way guy but maybe we start to look at him as more of a Panarin type player where it's better to get him away from as much contact as possible to use his skill.

Unless it's Necas for Pettersson which was rumoured before the signing and all that last player on the ice hugs stuff from Petey was his farewell from Vancouver. Would be a way to get Lindholm signed also especially if Necas is around Millers cap hit

 

[Bleach Clean]

I dunno if he can actually play NHL centre, but the Canucks typically like guys who can play wing or centre, I'm also not entirely convinced they don't see Pettersson as rotational as well, and are comfortable with him on the wing with the right centre. Maybe they'd just prefer signing Necas to $7.5M on term to signing Lindholm to a similar contract.

The hybrid C/W is what Tocchet has cited, but the talk (Toch?) doesn't match the walk. They kept Pettersson at centre even though he was mired in a 1 goal for 20+ game slump. Pettersson went to Lotto and Lindholm's line, but came right back to 2C. He's just better at C.

The Lindholm alternative is a good guess. Or, maybe the talk is meant to push Lindholm to re-sign? I also have factored in the earlier rumour on Kirby Dach. It seems that structurally, the Canucks really want a right shot C solution.

 

[Vector]

.. would he even be on VAN’s first unit PP given how they want a left shot in the bumper? would miller move there?

also, any trade here is surely including hoglander/mikheyev +, hronek, or garland given the money situation

Ideally, given the way the powerplay function in the first part of the season, they rotate positions a lot more than they ended up. Part of the reason for the powerplay's early season dominance was how free-form it was. Players constantly moving and pulling defenders out of position while also moving the puck around at a rapid pace.

I don't think there's much plus involved. To me, there shouldn't be. A straight swap of Hronek for Necas is pretty fair, to even favouring the Canucks slightly given positional need.

Defensive liability and soft and wants 10 million . Think again

10m? There's absolute no way he's asking for that and there's not a single comparable for that.

 

[Peter Griffin]

Seems to be

Always appreciate you writing these up!

We are very lucky to have @Vector take the time to summarize these clips. He’s like an amazing, accurate version of Taj.

 

[Vector]

Seems to be

We are very lucky to have @Vector take the time to summarize these clips. He’s like an amazing, accurate version of Taj.

No joke, this is the best compliment anyone could give me. Whole reason I started doing this was because I got frustrated with Taj and the others selectively summarizing parts. I just want accurate info and realized I have a desk job that let's me do this.

 

[TruGr1t]

The hybrid C/W is what Tocchet has cited, but the talk (Toch?) doesn't match the walk. They kept Pettersson at centre even though he was mired in a 1 goal for 20+ game slump. Pettersson went to Lotto and Lindholm's line, but came right back to 2C. He's just better at C.

The Lindholm alternative is a good guess. Or, maybe the talk is meant to push Lindholm to re-sign? I also have factored in the earlier rumour on Kirby Dach. It seems that structurally, the Canucks really want a right shot C solution.

I think the C/W thing comes more from management. Tocchet obviously values two-way play over anything with his centres, which is why he loves Lindholm and kept Pettersson there even though he wasn't producing. Again, not sure on how Necas performs at centre, but if Lindholm leaves there's certainly a potential spot.

 

[sting101]

The hybrid C/W is what Tocchet has cited, but the talk (Toch?) doesn't match the walk. They kept Pettersson at centre even though he was mired in a 1 goal for 20+ game slump. Pettersson went to Lotto and Lindholm's line, but came right back to 2C. He's just better at C.

The Lindholm alternative is a good guess. Or, maybe the talk is meant to push Lindholm to re-sign? I also have factored in the earlier rumour on Kirby Dach. It seems that structurally, the Canucks really want a right shot C solution.

Well winning games takes priority over a struggling player getting promoted so you can lift his spirits to try and get him going

I think it's fair to project we need a C soon that can do some heavy lifting unless we want to just burn out what gas Miller has left trying to chase superstars

 

[supercanuck]

What style of game does Necas play? Does he fit in well with Tocc's system?

 

[SelltheTeamFrancesco]

I don't think there's much plus involved. To me, there shouldn't be. A straight swap of Hronek for Necas is pretty fair, to even favouring the Canucks slightly given positional need.

I really don't think it's fair but maybe I am bias. I can find you a player similar to Necas that would be available, you can't find a player like Hronek that will be available a top right shot defence-man (maybe Montour but he will likely be resigned or want a lot money in Ufa). He played almost 24 mins a game, 27 defence-man played more than him, Thinking you can replace him with Tanev or Pesce is crazy. Tanev played 19.40 play him over 21 mins a game and he won't make it to game 82 look what happened to Cole at the end of the regular season.


Also I wouldn't mind a Drury for Hoglander swap included in the deal top get our third line center.

 

[thecupismine]

I loved Lindholm's two-way play in the playoffs, but his play throughout the regular season (both with Calgary + Vancouver), and his trajectory over the last couple years (we're looking at a 60 point player in all likelihood), gives me serious pause about signing him to a LT extension at the price he's likely to command.

At that point there'd be no room for another winger if we want to retain a solid dcore, which means either Petey or Miller would be moving to the wing or we'd be in the same spot as we were in the playoffs with Petey on an island. Given how much Miller has evolved as a matchup center, not sure moving him to the wing is the best idea, and with Petey it's usually a temporary thing to get him going.

Loved his fit at the deadline, and still think we'd be playing right now if Demko was healthy thanks to the deal. The experience it gave the guys alone made the deal worth it, even if it ends up being just a rental.

Also Necas fits the MO of Alvin wanting more speed in the lineup. Haven't seen him play a lot, but priority number one for a Petey winger is high hockey IQ. His numbers really didn't change much over the last two years, other than being moved off PP1 (Hurricanes powerplay got a lot better after he moved off the first unit) - he's a respectable second line winger. Hronek is worth more.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Apparently the Nucks were close to acquiring Kiprusoff before he went to Calgary.

Brutal. Would have been complete game changer.

 

[ManVanFan]

I really don't think it's fair but maybe I am bias. I can find you a player similar to Necas that would be available, you can't find a player like Hronek that will be available a top right shot defence-man (maybe Montour but he will likely be resigned or want a lot money in Ufa). He played almost 24 mins a game, 27 defence-man played more than him, Thinking you can replace him with Tanev or Pesce is crazy. Tanev played 19.40 play him over 21 mins a game and he won't make it to game 82 look what happened to Cole at the end of the regular season.


Also I wouldn't mind a Drury for Hoglander swap included in the deal top get our third line center.

That would mean the Canucks then need 2 top 6 wingers. lol. Enjoyable talk about trading but it's always the same..... rob Peter to pay Paul.

 

[rypper]

-need to figure out what to do around the tentpoles

Ok what did Elliotte mean here?

 

[theguardianII]

They must think all or most fans are stupid. The lack of respect they are showing fans, what are they thinking?
The EP "injury"? When was that thought up?
EP says late January, allstar game, around then.
3 weeks before the TDL.
The injury, if true, needs time off to heal.
The team insisted they were going to try to win in the playoffs.
The team needed a scoring winger but had no cap space.
Tocchet states EP has to move his feet faster, that he (EP) needs to step it up (paraphrase), but did it publicly, Tocchet doesn't lie, that has been stated a few times.
EP doesn't know what the injury is, "my knee hurt the more I used it", Tocchet knows or states the exact injury, so he knew? If he did then he also knew the more he played EP the more his game would deteriorate.
The question now becomes was the injury conjured up to satisfy fans and for the set up that Dahli created? He has been going on about "you see, after the season he will be reported he had an injury". Dahli has been doing the work of of a team marketing person apparently.
He is championing the 11 mil player, the team hardly says anything at all. Like playing horrible needs and excuse. These are pros, how many players on the team were impressed by EP getting prime minutes with an injury that is that debilitating and how they lost most game by a single goal.

This whole sudden injury, which does have physical impairment, limping, manifested itself and EP didn't know what is was called, a result is that Tocchet lies. Demko was sat out and he was ready to play. I don't disagree that going with the hot hand was wrong but Demko not getting a sniff but playing EP continuously, criticizing him and endangering a more severe result, which is the most likely outcome. This might have changed the attitude of the fan base towards the honesty of all the management and the player.

If they knew and they already knew they needed another scoring winger, then Allvin really blew it by not giving EP time to heal and using the LTIR space to pursue that scoring winger.

And now Dhali is forgiving and creating an excuse for EP, usually the job of the team not a sports show.

 

[rypper]

They must think all or most fans are stupid. The lack of respect they are showing fans, what are they thinking?
The EP "injury"? When was that thought up?
EP says late January, allstar game, around then.
3 weeks before the TDL.
The injury, if true, needs time off to heal.
The team insisted they were going to try to win in the playoffs.
The team needed a scoring winger but had no cap space.
Tocchet states EP has to move his feet faster, that he (EP) needs to step it up (paraphrase), but did it publicly, Tocchet doesn't lie, that has been stated a few times.
EP doesn't know what the injury is, "my knee hurt the more I used it", Tocchet knows or states the exact injury, so he knew? If he did then he also knew the more he played EP the more his game would deteriorate.
The question now becomes was the injury conjured up to satisfy fans and for the set up that Dahli created? He has been going on about "you see, after the season he will be reported he had an injury". Dahli has been doing the work of of a team marketing person apparently.
He is championing the 11 mil player, the team hardly says anything at all. Like playing horrible needs and excuse. These are pros, how many players on the team were impressed by EP getting prime minutes with an injury that is that debilitating and how they lost most game by a single goal.

This whole sudden injury, which does have physical impairment, limping, manifested itself and EP didn't know what is was called, a result is that Tocchet lies. Demko was sat out and he was ready to play. I don't disagree that going with the hot hand was wrong but Demko not getting a sniff but playing EP continuously, criticizing him and endangering a more severe result, which is the most likely outcome. This might have changed the attitude of the fan base towards the honesty of all the management and the player.

And now Dahli is forgiving and creating an excuse for EP, usually the job of the team not a sports show.

Dude take the tinfoil hat off and get some fresh air once in a while.

Dahli didn't create any injury.

 

[Jerry the great]

Ok what did Elliotte mean here?

I'm guessing the tall defenders, but all i can think about is the tent pants Curb episode.

 

[Bleach Clean]

Maybe?

Trades:
- Mikheyev to CLB for Texier's rights. Taking the optimistic route that he still has marginal trade value.
- Poolman's salary traded to the Sharks for non-roster assets.

Re-Signing Lindholm while keeping Joshua and Garland means limited changes elsewhere. Tried to go for value with Myers, Chatfield, Texier and Jones.

 

[Vector]

Ok what did Elliotte mean here?

He named Miller, Pettersson, and Hughes as the long-term (meaning contracts) key pillars of the organization. Now they need to figure out who to place around them.

 

[DFAC]

Maybe?

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Trades:
- Mikheyev to CLB for Texier's rights. Taking the optimistic route that he still has marginal trade value.
- Poolman's salary traded to the Sharks for non-roster assets.

Re-Signing Lindholm while keeping Joshua and Garland means limited changes elsewhere. Tried to go for value with Myers, Chatfield, Texier and Jones.

I don't see how this team is an improvement on this years team

I think finding a top line winger for Petey has to be a priority... also 8 mil for Hronek? Yuck

 

[Peen]

Pin the OP so the spreadsheet appears on every page @Mr. Canucklehead @Vector

 

[credulous]

Ok what did Elliotte mean here?

tentpoles is just another way of saying core players

 

[JT Milker]

Ideally, given the way the powerplay function in the first part of the season, they rotate positions a lot more than they ended up. Part of the reason for the powerplay's early season dominance was how free-form it was. Players constantly moving and pulling defenders out of position while also moving the puck around at a rapid pace.

I don't think there's much plus involved. To me, there shouldn't be. A straight swap of Hronek for Necas is pretty fair, to even favouring the Canucks slightly given positional need.



10m? There's absolute no way he's asking for that and there's not a single comparable for that.

Hronek and Necas had the same number of 5 v 5 points. One is a top pairing RD, the other is a winger who may not receive a qualifying offer.

Hronek for Necas bad.

 

[ManVanFan]

Maybe?

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Trades:
- Mikheyev to CLB for Texier's rights. Taking the optimistic route that he still has marginal trade value.
- Poolman's salary traded to the Sharks for non-roster assets.

Re-Signing Lindholm while keeping Joshua and Garland means limited changes elsewhere. Tried to go for value with Myers, Chatfield, Texier and Jones.

Couple notes. OEL buyout 2.3m put you about 1.2M over. I thought they were talking about a better winger for Petey not the same but cheaper. Hard to imagine Chatfield taking that little, the spreadsheet has him at 4x3.66

 

[Grip it N RYP it]

Switch Guentzel and Necas.

And if you can do a deal around Hoglander+ for Necas, that's a steal for Van.

I did this trade framework on CapFriendly two days ago lol

 

[Bleach Clean]

I don't see how this team is an improvement on this years team

I think finding a top line winger for Petey has to be a priority... also 8 mil for Hronek? Yuck

I wanted to see what I could do with Hronek at his $8m AAV demand.

I think that roster levels what the Canucks finished the year with, but it doesn't better it. Zadorov is batter than Jones/Chatfield, but I like Chatfield better than Cole. Lindholm would be playing the entire year and a healthy Pettersson with not-Mikheyev-Texier would be better. Silovs would also be better than DeSmith.

It's an improvement at the margins. The big positions are the same.

Couple notes. OEL buyout 2.3m put you about 1.2M over. I thought they were talking about a better winger for Petey not the same but cheaper. Hard to imagine Chatfield taking that little, the spreadsheet has him at 4x3.66

Gah, you're right on both. Things are going to be tight.