Canucks Managerial Thread II

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[WTG]

Benning is like the Canadian dollar .73 cents to the dollar.

Always bleeding value.

 

[mathonwy]

If Benning thought Vey was worth a second round draft pick 12 months ago and now the entire league doesn't think he's worth having for free, does that mean JB paid way too much for Vey last season and this is logical proof?

And is the reason why Benning pays way too much all of the time is because he's negotiating with other GMs based on how important the player is to the team versus based on how much the league values like-players?

And if this IS the reason, then it explains why he is constantly losing in trades and why he doesn't give a crap. Same with Linden.

And this also explains why Dorsett, Sbisa and Suter have such expensive contracts.

 

[mossey3535]

Again, if there are so many Corrado-esque players available, why aren't we stockpiling them in the minors? He was good enough to play for us in the playoffs before.

The point is, losing Corrado wouldn't be so bad if we were accruing assets similar to him. But to throw even someone who is arguably a middling prospect (though I don't thing he is merely middling) away at this point in favour of keeping overpriced, overaged assets hurts a lot.

The argument of whether or not Corrado would clear waivers is moot because we know for certain Sbisa or Bartkowski would have cleared waivers. Even though Vey sucked, cutting almost-rookies to allow rookies to make the lineup when your borderline veterans suck isn't truly letting performance dictate who gets a job.

 

[Ainec]

Benning is like the Canadian dollar .73 cents to the dollar.

Always bleeding value.

you just gave me a heart attack..

it's actually going up lel 0.77 now

 

[Pip]

you just gave me a heart attack..

it's actually going up lel 0.77 now

I was going to say wtf happened

 

[WTG]

My bad! it's late!

 

[F A N]

Benning is like the Canadian dollar .73 cents to the dollar.

Always bleeding value.

A lower dollar is often good for a country as it increase trade.

If Benning thought Vey was worth a second round draft pick 12 months ago and now the entire league doesn't think he's worth having for free, does that mean JB paid way too much for Vey last season and this is logical proof?

No. Curtis Glencross was worth a 2nd and 3rd less than 7 months ago. Now he has been released by two teams on a PTO. Things change.

 

[WTG]

A lower dollar is often good for a country as it increase trade.

Don't take the joke too literal.

 

[Pip]

The last thing we want is more trade with this Benning running the show

 

[Pip]

No. Curtis Glencross was worth a 2nd and 3rd less than 7 months ago. Now he has been released by two teams on a PTO. Things change.

Wouldn't the fact that Glencross can't get contract now pretty damning evidence against that trade for Washington? In my opinion, that's about as obvious a poor trade could be. He had no impact on Washington and hasn't proved to be worth anymore than a couple PTOs.

 

[F A N]

Don't take the joke too literal.

I'm just saying.

Wouldn't the fact that Glencross can't get contract now pretty damning evidence against that trade for Washington? In my opinion, that's about as obvious a poor trade could be. He had no impact on Washington and hasn't proved to be worth anymore than a couple PTOs.

No because prior to last season he's been on a 20+ goal pace for the past 4 seasons. The fact that Vey cleared waivers does not mean he was worth nothing at the time of the trade. Just like the fact that Florida waived Grabner does not mean that Grabner was worth nothing at the time the Canucks traded Grabner.

 

[crobro]

I think Jim Benning is going to rue the day he traded away Gustav Forsling.

 

[me2]

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hutton's weight

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/K...+Hutton+impresses+Canucks/11388580/story.html

 

[Catamarca Livin]

The more I look at the players we lost or gave away from the start of last year the more I think what is the big deal? Bieksa, Mathias, Richardson, Sestito, Stanton, Lack, Kassian, Bonino and Corrado. Bieksa is the only 4 million dollar player among them and he is overpaid 6th dman. Is the lost of these players really a big deal. They all are depth players or non Nhl players on a good team. Bonino was a 4 the liner on Anaheim while Richardson was a healthy scratch. Mathias got a smallish contract from the worst team in the league. Stanton and Corrado spares. Sestito less and Kassiam is in rehab. Lack is the only guy with any hope of being a regret. Really are losing these guys worth whining about? Benning has brought in borderline players but they are replacing borderline players. Dorsett Prust Sbsia are not much but the are replacing non productive players. Benning has not done much to get credit but has done nothing really harmful neither. If the young guys progress this year his tenure will has been successful thus far. Hopefully the young guys become more while the Sedins are still productive. Our hope rests with Horvat and the gang. Big picture the Canucks are in better shape than the start of last year as they are faster and younger. Strangely enough that is exactly what Benning and Linden said they wanted. It is like there is a plan. Hope it works and the Canucks turn it around on the fly.

 

[Intangibos]

The more I look at the players we lost or gave away from the start of last year the more I think what is the big deal? Bieksa, Mathias, Richardson, Sestito, Stanton, Lack, Kassian, Bonino and Corrado. Bieksa is the only 4 million dollar player among them and he is overpaid 6th dman. Is the lost of these players really a big deal. They all are depth players or non Nhl players on a good team. Bonino was a 4 the liner on Anaheim while Richardson was a healthy scratch. Mathias got a smallish contract from the worst team in the league. Stanton and Corrado spares. Sestito less and Kassiam is in rehab. Lack is the only guy with any hope of being a regret. Really are losing these guys worth whining about? Benning has brought in borderline players but they are replacing borderline players. Dorsett Prust Sbsia are not much but the are replacing non productive players. Benning has not done much to get credit but has done nothing really harmful neither. If the young guys progress this year his tenure will has been successful thus far. Hopefully the young guys become more while the Sedins are still productive. Our hope rests with Horvat and the gang. Big picture the Canucks are in better shape than the start of last year as they are faster and younger. Strangely enough that is exactly what Benning and Linden said they wanted. It is like there is a plan. Hope it works and the Canucks turn it around on the fly.

Death by a thousand cuts. NHL caliber management teams get picks back when they get rid of as many players as we have. Benning lets them walk for free, or trades them far below market value. Then he gives the savings from moving guys like Bieksa to Sbisa as a massive raise that wasn't earned.

 

[tantalum]

Sure glad Benning called 12 or 15 teams about Corrado before putting him on waivers. I can understand how it would be hard to call the other half of the league as well.

 

[Fat Tony]

A lower dollar is often good for a country as it increase trade.

Yes, exports have been good. But it greatly increases the cost of imports.

 

[Nuckles]

Benning is like the Canadian dollar .73 cents to the dollar.

Always bleeding value.

He probably thinks a ton of bricks is heavier than a ton of feathers.

 

[tyhee]

Sure glad Benning called 12 or 15 teams about Corrado before putting him on waivers. I can understand how it would be hard to call the other half of the league as well.

The thing that struck me about his calling on Corrado was that it was virtually sure to fail because of the timing.

When general managers know there are going to be quite a few marginal players available for not much money in the next day or two, why would they be inclined to help you out by taking the guy you have to make available anyway? They know they can get him, or someone of similar current playing ability, off the waiver wire very shortly. Meanwhile, they have just had tough decisions about which of their own marginal players to cut and they're high on the guys they just kept as the marginal ones will have done well enough to earn positions.

The time to offer marginal players in trade is later in the season when there aren't very many players being made available on waivers and teams have had more time to see which of their experiments aren't working out for them and to have more players injured.

I'd guess the chances of getting some return for Corrado in December or January is far better than it is at the start of October. He still wouldn't bring much in return-but he'd probably bring something.

 

[fancouver]

The thing that struck me about his calling on Corrado was that it was virtually sure to fail because of the timing.

When general managers know there are going to be quite a few marginal players available for not much money in the next day or two, why would they be inclined to help you out by taking the guy you have to make available anyway? They know they can get him, or someone of similar current playing ability, off the waiver wire very shortly. Meanwhile, they have just had tough decisions about which of their own marginal players to cut and they're high on the guys they just kept as the marginal ones will have done well enough to earn positions.

The time to offer marginal players in trade is later in the season when there aren't very many players being made available on waivers and teams have had more time to see which of their experiments aren't working out for them and to have more players injured.

I'd guess the chances of getting some return for Corrado in December or January is far better than it is at the start of October. He still wouldn't bring much in return-but he'd probably bring something.

That's assuming more than 1 team is so interested in Corrado they are willing to create a bidding war. Based on his pre-season camp, I think that's highly unlikely. As said before, better depth has been waived and cleared in the past.

Could there be 2 or more teams interested in Corrado? Possibly.
Are said teams interested enough to send a 5th or 6th round pick back to us? Not likely.

My guess is the bottom dwellers rather take a chance on the waiver wire.

 

[Vtownfan]

The more I look at the players we lost or gave away from the start of last year the more I think what is the big deal? Bieksa, Mathias, Richardson, Sestito, Stanton, Lack, Kassian, Bonino and Corrado. Bieksa is the only 4 million dollar player among them and he is overpaid 6th dman. Is the lost of these players really a big deal. They all are depth players or non Nhl players on a good team. Bonino was a 4 the liner on Anaheim while Richardson was a healthy scratch. Mathias got a smallish contract from the worst team in the league. Stanton and Corrado spares. Sestito less and Kassiam is in rehab. Lack is the only guy with any hope of being a regret. Really are losing these guys worth whining about? Benning has brought in borderline players but they are replacing borderline players. Dorsett Prust Sbsia are not much but the are replacing non productive players. Benning has not done much to get credit but has done nothing really harmful neither. If the young guys progress this year his tenure will has been successful thus far. Hopefully the young guys become more while the Sedins are still productive. Our hope rests with Horvat and the gang. Big picture the Canucks are in better shape than the start of last year as they are faster and younger. Strangely enough that is exactly what Benning and Linden said they wanted. It is like there is a plan. Hope it works and the Canucks turn it around on the fly.

I would say the difference is Benning has brought in other replaceable players at much higher cost.

Canucks right now have less than 200K of cap space. A team that is in no way a cup contender or struggling like Chicago to keep one together, is so cap restricted that if they have a couple players go down with short term injuries, they do not have the cap space to call up anyone.

If they have kept replaceables in Bonino,Richardson,Corrado and Lack over Miller,Sutter, Sbisa and Prust they would be sitting in a very similar position talent wise and have near 10 mil in cap space...

Bonino 1.9 Sutter 3.3 = 1.4m (this year 2.475 next)
Richardson 2 Prust 2.5 = .5mil
Sbisa 3.6- Corrado 632K = 3mil
Lack 1.15 Miller 6 = 4.85mil

9.75mil in less salary +the 196K they have in space right now = 9.946 MIL in cap space.

Is this team

Sedin-Sedin-Sutter
Baer-Horvat-Vrbata
Burrows-McCann-Hansen
Prust-Cracknell-Dorsett
Virtanen

Edler-Tanev
Hamhuis-Bartkowski
Hutton-Sbisa
Weber

Miller
Markstrom

1 full Alex Ovechkin (9.5mil) better or more competitive than

Sedin-Sedin-Bonino
Baer-Horvat-Vrbata
Burrows-McCann-Hansen
Richardson-Cracknell-Dorsett
Virtanen

Edler-Tanev
Hamhuis-Weber
Hutton-Bartkowski
Corrado

Lack
Markstrom



The answer is no. No it's not. While I have never really gone for the if our Gm was a potato thing, but if our GM was a potato....

 

[groov2]

Yes, exports have been good. But it greatly increases the cost of imports.

Haha, well said. We have been exporting in our trade far more than we have been importing

 

[mathonwy]

The thing that struck me about his calling on Corrado was that it was virtually sure to fail because of the timing.

When general managers know there are going to be quite a few marginal players available for not much money in the next day or two, why would they be inclined to help you out by taking the guy you have to make available anyway? They know they can get him, or someone of similar current playing ability, off the waiver wire very shortly. Meanwhile, they have just had tough decisions about which of their own marginal players to cut and they're high on the guys they just kept as the marginal ones will have done well enough to earn positions.

The time to offer marginal players in trade is later in the season when there aren't very many players being made available on waivers and teams have had more time to see which of their experiments aren't working out for them and to have more players injured.

I'd guess the chances of getting some return for Corrado in December or January is far better than it is at the start of October. He still wouldn't bring much in return-but he'd probably bring something.

It's almost like in addition to his obvious lack of sales and marketing experience, JB lacks in a basic understanding of supply and demand economics.

Yep... it's almost like he's got zero post-secondary education and is operating a multi-million dollar enterprise in week-to-week increments.

I think I'd trust a good fantasy hockey GM over JB any day of the week.

 

[drax0s]

drax

hutton's weight

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/K...+Hutton+impresses+Canucks/11388580/story.html

Weight AND height. Dude's 6'3" now (listed at 6'2") in addition to being 210. He's 5 lbs away from Edler's size according to Edler's measurements on canucks.com. Go Hutty.