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Rumor: Canucks making their final offer on Zadorov this weekend. There are rumblings that some teams are prepared to offer him 6x6 on July 1
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- Canucks don’t need to panic, they don’t have issues with signing players.
- Bouchard was the best from a points perspective but not actual play.
McHelpus
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How can you say Zadorov isn't worth 6 million if he is better than Bouchard, how much do you think Bouchard is worth?
The Nuge
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This. He’s just flat out not a 6 million dollar dman. But 4 is pretty good, and the rising cap will be make the term less of an issue. 4x8 gets him almost as much as the 6x6 he’s looking for.
He’s a really good #5, who has stretches where he looks like a second pairing guy. I wouldn’t go above like 4 for him, but GMs love big physical dmen. Someone will sign him for way more than he’s worth, hoping he can keep up his form he displayed in the playoffs. The question is will he?
How many times do guys have to see these players sign deals that destroy their career like Nurse’s and still do it? Sign for 4.5, take the haircut, be a fan favorite and win with minimal criticism.
Signing 6x6 means you’ll be an LTIR or buyout after years of getting shit on and hyper analyzed by the fans. It also means your chances to win something in that stretch are that much higher. Sometimes less is more. I’d be angling towards 8 years at a discounted rate like 4m and planning an LTIR-retirement at the end. He could win something in Vancouver, be a fan favorite and make a ton of money on sponsorships and merch but at 6-7m, he’ll be hated and ridiculed by everybody after even just one bad game.
Signing 6x6 means you’ll be an LTIR or buyout after years of getting shit on and hyper analyzed by the fans. It also means your chances to win something in that stretch are that much higher. Sometimes less is more. I’d be angling towards 8 years at a discounted rate like 4m and planning an LTIR-retirement at the end. He could win something in Vancouver, be a fan favorite and make a ton of money on sponsorships and merch but at 6-7m, he’ll be hated and ridiculed by everybody after even just one bad game.
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Weird way to spell Bouchard.
gach
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Bouchard is worth more than Nurse, so at least 10 million a year
Oilslick941611
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Zadorov... big guy, but can't get it done. he's a complementary piece. 6 mil for 6 years is toooooo much for a guy like him. Ask me how I know bad contracts on D can affect your team...
My team eliminated him twice in 3 years. Hit hits, but he sucks.
Oilslick941611
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he's a big guy that talks to the media, not a good hockey player. He's only strength is his size. Brainfarts galore and gets beat with speed. He's 29, a 6 year contract is crazy. He might not even be effective for more than the next 2-3 years
ManofSteel55
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And he will probably help them alot, given the makeup of their blueline right now. But 6 X 6. Woof.
ManofSteel55
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He's more than size. He doesn't often get beat with speed, he's a really good skater. He gets beat by poor decision making and positioning though. He has many of the tools to be an elite defenseman in the NHL - the size, the skating ability, the shot - but he is a below average puck mover, and he makes bad decisions out there regularly. He gets exposed defensively when he has to face top talent. Really, he looks like a million bucks on the bottom pair, he looks okay a lot of the time on the 2nd pair, and he'll be destroyed on a top pair - that's why he's never broken through to be more than a #4/5.
Whoever signs him to 6 X 6 will be making a mistake for sure.
He is a guy that every team in the league would want on a fair contract. I think that is closer to 4 than 5 though and 6 million would be instant whipping boy fodder.
TheNumber4
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Only 6M?! Well the guy that can singlehandedly shutdown McDavid should be worth way more than that. Pay the man Nucks.
Oilslick941611
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I've seen a lot in Calgary and Vancouver and he never stood to me as someone with the tools to be elite, anyways, its all moot anyways, hes 29, he's not improving anymore in the coming years.
I'd say the opposite. He has all the tools, lacks consistency and the mental game.
Xoggz22
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If they made the offer we may not know it yet. Even if Zad extended we may not know until later.
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I can’t believe this dude is going to get $36 million
I can’t wrap my head around that.
I can’t wrap my head around that.
HairyKneel
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It would be too much. Give him 7 years, and 4.85 per. Front load the cash. Depends if they can shoot Mikheyev into the sun.
Big Z is a neat player and I think Foote can bring him around even more. It would be a shame to lose him, but 6 per really skews the cap.
I think this is the way to go,longer term, lower cap hit. The Salary cap could be 20-30 mill higher by the time his deal becomes an issue.
Mikheyev can be bought out and we save 4 million, pretty sure he's gone.
I like Zadorov but if 5 is the number he wants I think another option would be to sign the lightly older but more productive surrey native Dillon who's also big and mean for 3 on a three year deal even tho that brings him to 37. Then if Tanev truly does wanna retire here see if he would go for a low AAV like 2 but give more term and easy attainable bonus's.
Leaving 19 million after a Mikheyev buyout or trade to spend on Guentzel (9) Chandler Stephenson (4-5) Myers (2.5)
Did someone really say Zadorov was a better defenseman than Bouchard in the Van-Edm series?
Come on, take the glasses off. I'm a hockey fan first, Caucks fan second.
Zadorov was a great role player in that series without question but Bouchard; while victimized a bit here and there was far and above Zadorov including numerous assists that helped tie or win 2 games for the Oilers with a game winning goal of his own in game 4.
Bouchard was absolute money in the 2nd round series and has been an absolute beast this year with 114 points in 115 games between the regular season and playoffs.
Zads was a great role player but Bouchard was absolutely the better defenseman that series
Come on, take the glasses off. I'm a hockey fan first, Caucks fan second.
Zadorov was a great role player in that series without question but Bouchard; while victimized a bit here and there was far and above Zadorov including numerous assists that helped tie or win 2 games for the Oilers with a game winning goal of his own in game 4.
Bouchard was absolute money in the 2nd round series and has been an absolute beast this year with 114 points in 115 games between the regular season and playoffs.
Zads was a great role player but Bouchard was absolutely the better defenseman that series
Nucklehead Supreme
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What an absolutely awful assessment, like did you watch him at all in the playoffs?
I'm not saying he's a stud #1 Dman, but I don't know where you get this assessment from, he turned it up when it really mattered and was a gigantic pain in the ass to play against, I don';t think he is worth more than 5, but still, come on man.
Oilslick941611
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for what exactly? beating him twice in 3 years in the playoffs?
yeah, real sour grapes
Nucklehead Supreme
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for what exactly? beating him twice in 3 years in the playoffs?
yeah, real sour grapes
I changed my reply, first one was childish.
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