Proposal: Canucks major shake up

[Cogburn]

don't worry. it makes sense for us

I'm sure it does. But clearly not for us.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Dobson+1st for Miller I would do

 

[biturbo19]

Rangers not a fit for any big trades until they are out from under Trouba's 8m per
if they deal Strome + Geo, both expiring, and finesse, they cover Fox's new deal beginning next year.
Can hold off if nec on Kakko, LaF + juggle a bit for Blais

DO NOT HAVE ROOM FOR ANOTHER MAJOR SALARY IN NEXT YR

also
they need Schneider to replace Trouba, who wil be here all this season but hopefully does us a solid and lets us deal him during next year, instead of waiting until following season when his nmc expires.
Trouba MAYBE allows an early relocation to team of his choice. maybe.

We can help with your desire for a prospect D, but the only one available is Jones, because he is Fox lite, and Fox permanently blocks him here. The others are needed for size, etc.

Jones plays either side.

I'd be open to something around
Jones/Krav/retained Strome/+
and
Pod meister / VAN 1st ++

retained Strome gets you a 1st if you don't extend
which gives you a replacement for Miller if he does

would love ElPet but not seeing how we can do that cap wise acknowledging the piper gets paid next yr

It's actually kind of funny to me, that the Rangers are locked into a bit of an impending issue with Trouba's contract. Yet Trouba would actually be a pretty perfect fit, for what Vancouver really needs to stabilize their wonky blueline. A 27 year old big, minute-munching, mostly steady RHD to play complement to either of OEL/Hughes is really the glaring "missing piece". I'd be happy to have him in some sort of deal. The funny part is, it's all pretty much a moot point, for a few pretty insurmountable reasons:

-Trouba's NMC control, and having picked his spot, means he ain't going anywhere in a hurry.
-Trouba's salary is way more than Vancouver could dream of having room for either, short of somehow sending Myers ugly contract back, or somewhere else to make the salary structure make sense on the back end.

-I also don't really see the Canucks having anything that's of particular interest to the Rangers available anyway. Boeser could be entirely available, but is a scoring RWer really what the Rangers need? JT Miller could end up available, depending on which direction the Canucks go, if they move to retool and don't think that'll happen before his contract expires...but do the Rangers really want him back?

As far as Pettersson...i think a lot of fans are being, quite frankly...insane about it. To put it politely. Yes, he's having a rough start to the season...but this guy is exactly the sort of player you spend time waiting and trying to draft and develop, as part of the core of your franchise. There is literally not a single situation under the sun, in which it would make sense for a team in Vancouver's shoes to trade a 23 core piece, #1C. Whether they're trying to retool to compete sooner rather than later, or whether it's a deeper, longer-term reset...Pettersson is part of the solution to either of those things. He is, for all intents and purposes, practically "untouchable".

 

[biturbo19]

Dobson+1st for Miller I would do

I think you can drop the 1st from that discussion. Dobson is the sort of piece i think they need to be looking for, if they're moving someone like Miller of Boeser though. Less trying to cobble together a "quantity" deal of assorted 2nd round picks/comparable value prospects/etc. Those sort of "fistfull of lottery tickets" type deals, are not what you move a premium trade chip like Miller/Boeser for. Has to be more trying to figure out what it takes to land a piece (like Dobson) that really fills the glaring hole on this team at RHD. A true "quality for quality" deal.

 

[CanucksSayEh]

If there's a Dman available, nucks should be trading picks to acquire him, not their best forwards. Do whats needed to make the money work. BB and JT have a lot of good years left. If JT can't be retained, then he will still fetch a good return at the TDL.

You can't expect to draft a position of need, even if it works out, half the current core will be older than Miller by the time the next 2 1sts are impact players.

 

[Canuck Luck]

Could see Detroit having some interest in Miller with another year left.

Would both Wings 2022 2nd's + one of their D prospects not named Edvinsson work for Canuck fans?

So basically what you’re saying is you want someone whom could arguably be your best player instantly while giving up nothing of actual value? After edvinsson detroit has no d depth up coming that makes up the difference in value from miller vs 2 2nd round picks

 

[Maurice of Orange]

Defenseman Buium, Tuomisto and Wallinder were all 2nd round picks for Detroit.

 

[elitepete]

Trading EP, Horvat, Boeser, Quin, Demko, Or Hoglander would be stupid.

The guy we should trade is Miller.

 

[elitepete]

If there's a Dman available, nucks should be trading picks to acquire him, not their best forwards. Do whats needed to make the money work. BB and JT have a lot of good years left. If JT can't be retained, then he will still fetch a good return at the TDL.

You can't expect to draft a position of need, even if it works out, half the current core will be older than Miller by the time the next 2 1sts are impact players.

Ah yes, let’s throw away more draft picks, because that braindead strategy has been working so well the last 8 years.

Miller can go. Really overrated player.

 

[elitepete]

Defenseman Buium, Tuomisto and Wallinder were all 2nd round picks for Detroit.

Rasmussen+Tuomisto+the earlier of your 2nds

 

[NYVanfan]

Trading EP, Horvat, Boeser, Quin, Demko, Or Hoglander would be stupid.

The guy we should trade is Miller.

yup

Miller for Dobson straight across is the best (only) deal I would consider on this thread

 

[elitepete]

yup

Miller for Dobson straight across is the best (only) deal I would consider on this thread

I would love that trade but NYI wouldn’t.

 

[McJedi]

Those offers are far and away the best I have seen for these players. Are you sure you're comfortable with offering those packages?

Believe it or not. He’s not Lou. He’s not an actual GM.

 

[pspot]

honestly the biggest issue with the Canucks imo is expectations
they had early success and I think people thought they were further ahead than they actually are
they've got some solid pieces to build around in key positions, sell off some vets (miller, myers) but hope they don't do anything stupid
I'd probably trade Boeser too

 

[John Johnson]

Believe it or not. He’s not Lou. He’s not an actual GM.

Nobody asked.

 

[jd22]

If there's a Dman available, nucks should be trading picks to acquire him, not their best forwards. Do whats needed to make the money work. BB and JT have a lot of good years left. If JT can't be retained, then he will still fetch a good return at the TDL.

You can't expect to draft a position of need, even if it works out, half the current core will be older than Miller by the time the next 2 1sts are impact players.

With all the cap space the Canucks have? And barren prospect pool?

 

[TFHockey]

So my question is what is a realistic offer that Benning would take for Demko? Trading with the Oilers would mean facing that player a lot so there is a divisional rivalry to worry about. Conversely any player Holland dealt to Vancouver could come back to haunt the Oilers.

 

[Peter Griffin]

So my question is what is a realistic offer that Benning would take for Demko? Trading with the Oilers would mean facing that player a lot so there is a divisional rivalry to worry about. Conversely any player Holland dealt to Vancouver could come back to haunt the Oilers.

Demko won’t be dealt.

 

[Pyrophorus]

I woke up today, thinking Claude Julien

 

[drw02]

So basically what you’re saying is you want someone whom could arguably be your best player instantly while giving up nothing of actual value? After edvinsson detroit has no d depth up coming that makes up the difference in value from miller vs 2 2nd round picks

Detroit has several quality D prospects behind Edvinsson and I don't believe Canucks will get a high end young player/prospect for Miller with 1.5 years of control left. If three 2nd's isn't good enough so be it, I understand it's not the most appealing offer but it's just the most I could see the Wings offering atp.

Defenseman Buium, Tuomisto and Wallinder were all 2nd round picks for Detroit.

And Albert Johansson, arguably the best of the bunch. Viro has also moved into that "2nd rd value" group imo

 

[Evergreen]

My first phone call would be to Columbus...

They have the cap space to take on Miller (Ohio native) and Boeser

It's doubtful, but maybe they'd be willing to part with Sillinger

Columbus needs a #1C more than anything right now. They have solid wing depth. Sillinger has the potential to be that top center for them, so I highly doubt they would entertain trading him for a winger.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Columbus needs a #1C more than anything right now. They have solid wing depth. Sillinger has the potential to be that top center for them, so I highly doubt they would entertain trading him for a winger.

Miller can play center and plays it well

 

[majormajor]

Columbus needs a #1C more than anything right now. They have solid wing depth. Sillinger has the potential to be that top center for them, so I highly doubt they would entertain trading him for a winger.

My understanding is that Miller is an able center. But that's still a bad trade for the Jackets. Sillinger could surpass Miller in the coming years and he'll certainly be much more affordable. And Sillinger already looks like a steadier less erratic player than Miller.

 

[Canuck Luck]

Detroit has several quality D prospects behind Edvinsson and I don't believe Canucks will get a high end young player/prospect for Miller with 1.5 years of control left. If three 2nd's isn't good enough so be it, I understand it's not the most appealing offer but it's just the most I could see the Wings offering atp.




And Albert Johansson, arguably the best of the bunch. Viro has also moved into that "2nd rd value" group imo

I’d disagree. If he was sold today, 5.25M for this season and next for a ppg forward that can play all 3 forward positions is worth a 1st + top prospect minimum.

while yes detroit does have some quality d prospects after edvinsson still, I personally have always liked wallinder, that is a quantity for quality trade. It would need more quantity to make up for that fact as I’m sure other teams would easily offer a similar value prospect to wallinder + 1st. We also would prefer a quality offer over a bunch of quantity

i get why detroit can’t add a 1st to the deal, they also don’t have any high end prosepcts they could really add as all their prospects worth more than wallinder not named edvinsson graduated this season. It’s better for the Canucks to take a 1st from a team because anytime could implode and that pick could end up as a lottery pick. It’s happened numerous times in the past where teams over project. Like the Canucks trading their 1st + for miller. Luckily we made the playoffs within the timeline we could defer the pick

 

[NYVanfan]

Boqvist from Jackets, Hronek from Wings.
those are the guys we should be targeting