Proposal: Canucks major shake up

[The Moose is Loose]

I think the Avs would be interested in 1 or the other to bolster the 2nd line, both isn't realistic. I'd prefer Miller.

My best offer would be a lottery protected 2023 1st round pick + Barron + Megna (shed some salary) for Miller with 50% retention (to make the trade more feasible).

For Canucks fans not familiar with Barron, he was our 2020 1st round pick- 6'2" 200 pound right handed shot right dman who had a great season as the captain of the Mooseheads last year and played for Canada at the WJC. This year he's playing top pair for the Avs' AHL affiliate (Eagles)

 

[drw02]

Miller is a PPG winger making 5.2m. Minimum first round pick + prospect.

Value of two 2nd's isn't that far off from a typical late 1st from a contender imo. Wings aren't contenders yet so doubtful they would move a 1st. They've got a few D prospects with roughly late 1st-2nd rd value, so it'd be like 3 2nd's for Miller.

 

[Cogburn]

Value of two 2nd's isn't that far off from a typical late 1st from a contender imo. Wings aren't contenders yet so doubtful they would move a 1st. They've got a few D prospects with roughly late 1st-2nd rd value, so it'd be like 3 2nd's for Miller.

Still doesn't feel like the return most of us would be looking for.

 

[John Johnson]

Isles pitch for Boeser would be a package of - Wahlstrom, ‘22 #1, and Wilde? Is that enough for Canucks?

for Miller it should be a 1st and a prospect, like Bolduc, Wilde, or Raty? Don’t think Our fanbase would be into giving up Raty.

Isles need a LH top 4 d, but Barzy and Boeser could be amazing.

Those offers are far and away the best I have seen for these players. Are you sure you're comfortable with offering those packages?

 

[wetcoast]

Elias Pettersson


Kaapo Kakko
Braden Schneider
2022 1st

Man crap didn't take long did it?

How about for Kratsov straight up will be the reply no doubt.

 

[Icebreakers]

Value of two 2nd's isn't that far off from a typical late 1st from a contender imo. Wings aren't contenders yet so doubtful they would move a 1st. They've got a few D prospects with roughly late 1st-2nd rd value, so it'd be like 3 2nd's for Miller.

Canucks need quality back if they are trading one of their core pieces. 2 seconds and B level D prospect doesnt really kick start anything. Besides Miller is top 10 in scoring right now. They traded a first and a third to get him from Tampa when he was a 50 point player. Hes a PPG player now (over ~139 ish games as a Canuck) and the Canucks should get more back from him. If it doesnt make sense for Detroit, they they just arent good trade partners.

 

[drw02]

Still doesn't feel like the return most of us would be looking for.

Fair enough

 

[bernmeister]

I know it’s been done a million times over but first for me.

Logically, Miller is not resigning. Has 2 years left including this one. American guy, has appeared very frustrated at times. Called out management during covid.

Canucks are desperate for Right d men.

Brock Boeser, just hasn’t turned into that scoring star that he looked like so early on.

Miller and Boeser to a playoff contender for picks, prospects and a right d man with star potential.

I think the Rangers are logical, they have some young right hand d studs and a deep prospect pool.
Thoughts?

Rangers not a fit for any big trades until they are out from under Trouba's 8m per
if they deal Strome + Geo, both expiring, and finesse, they cover Fox's new deal beginning next year.
Can hold off if nec on Kakko, LaF + juggle a bit for Blais

DO NOT HAVE ROOM FOR ANOTHER MAJOR SALARY IN NEXT YR

also
they need Schneider to replace Trouba, who wil be here all this season but hopefully does us a solid and lets us deal him during next year, instead of waiting until following season when his nmc expires.
Trouba MAYBE allows an early relocation to team of his choice. maybe.

We can help with your desire for a prospect D, but the only one available is Jones, because he is Fox lite, and Fox permanently blocks him here. The others are needed for size, etc.

Jones plays either side.

I'd be open to something around
Jones/Krav/retained Strome/+
and
Pod meister / VAN 1st ++

retained Strome gets you a 1st if you don't extend
which gives you a replacement for Miller if he does

would love ElPet but not seeing how we can do that cap wise acknowledging the piper gets paid next yr

 

[wetcoast]

Could see Detroit having some interest in Miller with another year left.

Would both Wings 2022 2nd's + one of their D prospects not named Edvinsson work for Canuck fans?

Wallinder and 2 second rounders for Miller might be the best offer we can get.

 

[GAGLine]

I think you’re one piece short if you want EP

Yeah, cap space.

 

[SI]

Those offers are far and away the best I have seen for these players. Are you sure you're comfortable with offering those packages?

Nucks will get a very good return for Miller.

isles need right now is a top 4 PMD, so I think if there is a move that is going to be made it will be for a d man and not for a F.

If Lou moves someone like Bailey for Girard, then I can see a move for Miller, Isles were a rumoured team before he was moved to Van.
I don’t believe the Isles will move Wahlstrom. They need to sign Barzy in a year - can’t do Boeser too.

 

[Cogburn]

Rangers not a fit for any big trades until they are out from under Trouba's 8m per
if they deal Strome + Geo, both expiring, and finesse, they cover Fox's new deal beginning next year.
Can hold off if nec on Kakko, LaF + juggle a bit for Blais

DO NOT HAVE ROOM FOR ANOTHER MAJOR SALARY IN NEXT YR

also
they need Schneider to replace Trouba, who wil be here all this season but hopefully does us a solid and lets us deal him during next year, instead of waiting until following season when his nmc expires.
Trouba MAYBE allows an early relocation to team of his choice. maybe.

We can help with your desire for a prospect D, but the only one available is Jones, because he is Fox lite, and Fox permanently blocks him here. The others are needed for size, etc.

Jones plays either side.

I'd be open to something around
Jones/Krav/retained Strome/+
and
Pod meister / VAN 1st ++

retained Strome gets you a 1st if you don't extend
which gives you a replacement for Miller if he does

would love ElPet but not seeing how we can do that cap wise acknowledging the piper gets paid next yr

This is the opposite direction most fans want us to take, but likely the direction Benning tries to take.

However Jones, being a left shot, and Kravtsov not being in North America don't really make up the meat of what we'd need to "shake up" Vancouver's roster. Benning is fighting tooth and nail to keep his job by making the playoffs, so the main component being two non-roster pieces for Podkolzin, who is playing for us, and a piece that could be leveraged for roster pieces elsewhere, probably won't fly for us either. Strome also does nothing for us, as we have a similar problem of trying to sign him to get the value we'd need out of this deal.

 

[drw02]

Wallinder and 2 second rounders for Miller might be the best offer we can get.

Would be willing to make it Wings 2022 & 2023 2nd's if that's preferred over Caps 2nd

 

[wetcoast]

Rangers not a fit for any big trades until they are out from under Trouba's 8m per
if they deal Strome + Geo, both expiring, and finesse, they cover Fox's new deal beginning next year.
Can hold off if nec on Kakko, LaF + juggle a bit for Blais

DO NOT HAVE ROOM FOR ANOTHER MAJOR SALARY IN NEXT YR

also
they need Schneider to replace Trouba, who wil be here all this season but hopefully does us a solid and lets us deal him during next year, instead of waiting until following season when his nmc expires.
Trouba MAYBE allows an early relocation to team of his choice. maybe.

We can help with your desire for a prospect D, but the only one available is Jones, because he is Fox lite, and Fox permanently blocks him here. The others are needed for size, etc.

Jones plays either side.

I'd be open to something around
Jones/Krav/retained Strome/+
and
Pod meister / VAN 1st ++

retained Strome gets you a 1st if you don't extend
which gives you a replacement for Miller if he does

would love ElPet but not seeing how we can do that cap wise acknowledging the piper gets paid next yr

The thing is that if the Canucks are moving pieces it will be higher salary older guys not young guys and 1st rounders.

Seems like you and EdJovanovski are trying to give Vancouver the NY hustle here.

 

[bernmeister]

This is the opposite direction most fans want us to take, but likely the direction Benning tries to take.

However Jones, being a left shot, and Kravtsov not being in North America don't really make up the meat of what we'd need to "shake up" Vancouver's roster. Benning is fighting tooth and nail to keep his job by making the playoffs, so the main component being two non-roster pieces for Podkolzin, who is playing for us, and a piece that could be leveraged for roster pieces elsewhere, probably won't fly for us either. Strome also does nothing for us, as we have a similar problem of trying to sign him to get the value we'd need out of this deal.

agree w/this and just spitballin as to what would work from NY end

again, Jones needs a home and a smaller deal for him can work
sending him out west minimizes the return to bite you in the ass factor
always a +

We can do other deals for Strome
and
once a roster spot is available, we can solve Krav whether he is eventually kept or dealt

 

[wetcoast]

Would be willing to make it Wings 2022 & 2023 2nd's if that's preferred over Caps 2nd

If that includes William Wallinder I would make that move as a Canucks GM but my guess is that most Canuck fans want to see a more sure thing but that's how it goes on HF Boards.

 

[bernmeister]

The thing is that if the Canucks are moving pieces it will be higher salary older guys not young guys and 1st rounders.

Seems like you and EdJovanovski are trying to give Vancouver the NY hustle here.

Ed obv has major wood for ElPet and he is not the only 1.

As I have said on many occasions, make no apology for preference to keep mo depth and greater salary cap/roster flexibility by trying as much as possible to rely on blue chip youth over vets

Appreciate you too wanna do vets for youth and unless there happens to be a match, not seeing a natural fit.

 

[Nylanderthal]

JT Miller would be exactly the kind of forward Toronto should add. Holl is a filler “top 4D” for $2m thru next season and can be flipped later, would need more cap juggling to work but would happily offer up a 1st + prospect + cap ballast. I’d be especially into paying extra for retention as let’s be real Vancouver needs to blow it all up. So might as well maximize returns

 

[majormajor]

My first phone call would be to Columbus...

They have the cap space to take on Miller (Ohio native) and Boeser

It's doubtful, but maybe they'd be willing to part with Sillinger

Nope. And there's no star RD to trade. If they would want a package of Boqvist++ that could be done.

I think the Jackets just wouldn't be interested enough in Boeser (they're not going to pay that much for another winger) and for Miller he is quite the wildcard in many ways, feels like a risky player to acquire. Look elsewhere.

 

[wetcoast]

Ed obv has major wood for ElPet and he is not the only 1.

As I have said on many occasions, make no apology for preference to keep mo depth and greater salary cap/roster flexibility by trying as much as possible to rely on blue chip youth over vets

Appreciate you too wanna do vets for youth and unless there happens to be a match, not seeing a natural fit.

With the salary cap and another year after this one it's going to be hard to find the "right fit."

I think we saw that with the Eichel trade but I thought Buffalo got pretty good value given the circumstances around Eichel, his surgery and the cap.

 

[koteka]

My first phone call would be to Columbus...

They have the cap space to take on Miller (Ohio native) and Boeser

It's doubtful, but maybe they'd be willing to part with Sillinger

Sillinger isn’t going anywhere.

Given that he is 28 and his contract is expiring after next year, JT Miller doesn’t really make sense to Columbus at this stage in Columbus’ rebuild/retool. People throw out the Ohio thing when talking about Miller, but Sillinger was born in Columbus.

Boeser is a wing, and Columbus has a ton of wings.

If Columbus makes a trade, they would want a right D or a young center under team control. Which are probably the same things Vancouver would be looking for. So I doubt they are good trading partners.

 

[Cogburn]

JT Miller would be exactly the kind of forward Toronto should add. Holl is a filler “top 4D” for $2m thru next season and can be flipped later, would need more cap juggling to work but would happily offer up a 1st + prospect + cap ballast. I’d be especially into paying extra for retention as let’s be real Vancouver needs to blow it all up. So might as well maximize returns

Vancouver should blow it up, but Benning won't because he has delusions that this team is doing well and he should be resigned.

What kind of prospect does Toronto have to offer here?

Holl doesn't really improve our top four as a filler, as we're not likely to move out Hughes and wouldn't be able to move OEL or Myers, we have Poolman who would play the same sort of role who just resigned, and we've decided not to terminate Hamonic, who can't travel outside of Canada for "bigger than hockey" reasons. Not to say he wouldn't be welcome, but he doesn't really add value and would fit far better into the "cap ballast" role for us.

 

[Nylanderthal]

Vancouver should blow it up, but Benning won't because he has delusions that this team is doing well and he should be resigned.

What kind of prospect does Toronto have to offer here?

Holl doesn't really improve our top four as a filler, as we're not likely to move out Hughes and wouldn't be able to move OEL or Myers, we have Poolman who would play the same sort of role who just resigned, and we've decided not to terminate Hamonic, who can't travel outside of Canada for "bigger than hockey" reasons. Not to say he wouldn't be welcome, but he doesn't really add value and would fit far better into the "cap ballast" role for us.

What would you want back for a retained Miller, or with taking back some salary like a Holl & Ritchie?

 

[Cogburn]

What would you want back for a retained Miller, or with taking back some salary like a Holl & Ritchie?

Holl can be returned as cap ballast, but Ritchie isn't someone we want or need. I honestly feel that a small sweetener might be in order, given his start. Some retention could be possible if everything lines up otherwise.

I am not overly familiar with Toronto's prospect situation though. I know Sandin and Amirov by reputation and through games I've watched, but out side of that I don't know anything about the stat line, which to be honest I'm not excited with. Big, offensively capable forward prospects, centers especially, and physical, defensively sound RHD are our areas of weakness, do the Leafs have anything fitting those descriptions?

 

[BoHorvat 53]

Yeah, cap space.

Lol. Kakko is still pointless this year, Pettersson had over 20 more points in his rookie season than Kakko has had in his entire career. You’re definitely missing more than cap space.