Post-Game Talk: Canucks lose (7-4) Good day, Sir.

[Grumbler]

How the **** did we give up a 3-0 lead. What the **** is with this team. Ok I'm all for full tank mode now. The team better lose every single game by 5 goals until the end of the season and the core players should ALL be bought out. ****ing garbage.

 

[MrShift4]

Is this part of the process?

 

[tantalum]

Is this part of the process?

Well at this point is clearly part of the process to get someone or some people fired. The players have obviously decided they'd rather book their tee times instead of trying for another minute in the current environment. Whether it's Tortorella or Gillis or both we don't really know at this stage.

Personally I'm a bit shocked given the quality of people most of the players seem to be.

If it's truly the case you might as well makes the changes now and not wait and allow things to fester even more. I don't normally advocate quick changes but that third period in and of itself is a potentially fireable offense....when coupled with the way they've played the last 8 weeks you'd think it would be the last straw for someone in the organization.

They never bought into the system and now have given up even the pretense of doing so.

 

[MrShift4]

Well at this point is clearly part of the process to get someone or some people fired. The players have obviously decided they'd rather book their tee times instead of trying for another minute in the current environment. Whether it's Tortorella or Gillis or both we don't really know at this stage.

Personally I'm a bit shocked given the quality of people most of the players seem to be.

If it's truly the case you might as well makes the changes now and not wait and allow things to fester even more. I don't normally advocate quick changes but that third period in and of itself is a potentially fireable offense....when coupled with the way they've played the last 8 weeks you'd think it would be the last straw for someone in the organization.

They never bought into the system and now have given up even the pretense of doing so.

Well said.
I just hope the right decision is made.

 

[Nick the Viking]

Well at this point is clearly part of the process to get someone or some people fired. The players have obviously decided they'd rather book their tee times instead of trying for another minute in the current environment. Whether it's Tortorella or Gillis or both we don't really know at this stage.

Personally I'm a bit shocked given the quality of people most of the players seem to be.

If it's truly the case you might as well makes the changes now and not wait and allow things to fester even more. I don't normally advocate quick changes but that third period in and of itself is a potentially fireable offense....when coupled with the way they've played the last 8 weeks you'd think it would be the last straw for someone in the organization.

They never bought into the system and now have given up even the pretense of doing so.

I'm not sure if you're serious. I struggle to believe that a group of 20+ grown men would make themselves look so foolish and put on such an act of depression in those locker room interviews.

I can't believe they'd play that card. Contrary to what the Eastern bias says, there's too much class (and pride) on that team to pull that kind of stunt.

 

[me2]

It's not even the worst loss, meltdown in Anaheim was just as bad.

 

[ddawg1950]

I'm not sure if you're serious. I struggle to believe that a group of 20+ grown men would make themselves look so foolish and put on such an act of depression in those locker room interviews.

I can't believe they'd play that card. Contrary to what the Eastern bias says, there's too much class (and pride) on that team to pull that kind of stunt.

Not that I disagree with your main point, but something is seriously wrong here.

I have come to believe it is Torts.

 

[ace4]

Is there anything more psychologically damaging than being a Canucks fan.

 

[ddawg1950]

Is there anything more psychologically damaging than being a Canucks fan.

Having to live in Edmonton full time would qualify.

 

[The Underboss]

Is there anything more psychologically damaging than being a Canucks fan.

Being an Isles fan.

 

[Jyrki]

It's not even the worst loss, meltdown in Anaheim was just as bad.

We were up against a banged-up Islanders at home and we gave up even more goals in a single period.

 

[aemoreira1981]

Being an Isles fan.

Sabres*

 

[yapperface]

Having to live in Edmonton full time would qualify.

God damn it The double whammy.

 

[Just A Bit Outside]

Is there anything more psychologically damaging than being a Canucks fan.

Cheering/Living for/in Cleveland or Buffalo.

 

[ddawg1950]

God damn it The double whammy.

Maybe triple if you include the weather, the Oilers and the Eskimos.

 

[me2]

I'm not sure if you're serious. I struggle to believe that a group of 20+ grown men would make themselves look so foolish and put on such an act of depression in those locker room interviews.

I can't believe they'd play that card. Contrary to what the Eastern bias says, there's too much class (and pride) on that team to pull that kind of stunt.

* The played hard for two periods
* burned for 3 rapid fire PP goals. PPs gets hot like that occasionally (scoring on 3 straight PPs happens, especially a 5 on 3).
* Lack had a bad goal - happens to every goalie. A worse flub cost Miller and the USA a gold medal in 2010.
* Lack had mix up behind the net (again it happens) and he might have got screened on a nice shot. Lack wasn't sharp
* 6th goal had Hamhuis in goal blocking shots with his body, not quiting.
* EN meh - who cares

I don't think they actively tanked this game from lack of caring. They just had a perfect storm of a hot PP , a goalie off his game, systems breakdown.

Still there are core issues with this group and coaching that need to dealt with those- it needs more than a retool.

 

[carolinacanuck]

lol @ the torts comment in his presser last night

'be men'

this guy is so old school it's not even funny anymore

being a man will solve everything

 

[me2]

We were up against a banged-up Islanders at home and we gave up even more goals in a single period.

We gave up 5 in the 2nd and 1 just before the 2nd, like tonight the team got ventilated by a PP (before the 7 min 5 on 3 in the 3rd). Shake it off and move on.

 

[Karl Hungus]

Is there anything more psychologically damaging than being a Canucks fan.

It's a self fulfilling prophecy of failure if you ask me. Even when things are going well there's a section of the fan base that is grumbling and waiting for the wheels to fall off while another segment can't help themselves from gloating and mouthing off. When things go badly they explode in indignant outrage and leave a chain of posts trying to out do each other with the most inflammatory statement they can think of, as if they are exacting some kind of payback for the offenses they've just suffered at the hands of their local hockey team.

The other part of the problem is the feedback loop that exists between the media and the fans. The media instigates outrage and then reports on it. Is any team under more of a microscope than Vancouver? I doubt that even Toronto has it this bad. The national US and Canadian media also has a thing for Vancouver. We are essentially the Lindsay Lohan of the NHL. Everyone with the exception of Bob Mackenzie and Elliott Friedman seem to love shaking their heads in disapproval while eagerly waiting for the next piece of dirty they smear all over Vancouver, because it sells. This has become an easy way for a local writer to catapult themselves onto the national stage because they know that Canucks scandals are hot stuff.

 

[damack]

It's a self fulfilling prophecy of failure if you ask me. Even when things are going well there's a section of the fan base that is grumbling and waiting for the wheels to fall off while another segment can't help themselves from gloating and mouthing off. When things go badly they explode in indignant outrage and leave a chain of posts trying to out do each other with the most inflammatory statement they can think of, as if they are exacting some kind of payback for the offenses they've just suffered at the hands of their local hockey team.

The other part of the problem is the feedback loop that exists between the media and the fans. The media instigates outrage and then reports on it. Is any team under more of a microscope than Vancouver? I doubt that even Toronto has it this bad. The national US and Canadian media also has a thing for Vancouver. We are essentially the Lindsay Lohan of the NHL. Everyone with the exception of Bob Mackenzie and Elliott Friedman seem to love shaking their heads in disapproval while eagerly waiting for the next piece of dirty they smear all over Vancouver, because it sells. This has become an easy way for a local writer to catapult themselves onto the national stage because they know that Canucks scandals are hot stuff.

well said

 

[struckmatch]

Core is done. They had their chance in 2011, were better than any other team by a mile, and choked a 2-0 SCF series lead to lose what should have been the first ever Stanley Cup in franchise history.

It's time to move on. All good things must come to an end, and this group, has arrived at the end. I hate to say this, but I'm sincerely hoping for the Sedins to retire before the end of their contracts...being saddled with those deals are a crippler.

Kesler, Edler, Bieksa should all go in the summer. Those would be huge shakeups to the core and send a message to the fans of some significant change. With those three, you should be able to get some valuable youth and a few first round picks - aim for a 2015 McDavid draft first rounder in there as well.

Anyone who still believes in this group and thinks they just need some pieces here and there, I really hope for your sake, that you see the light sometime soon.

I for one don't want to watch this product anymore, I'm excited for some youth and energy, some talent and some intensity to be brought into this organization. This group is beyond stale.

If they are bold, trade their best assets in Kesler/Edler/Bieksa they could really speed up the retooling here significantly, but only IF they are bold and make these deals before letting these situations linger on to the point of annoyance, exhaustion and idiocy - which I'll say right now, I'm not exactly confident in Gillis' ability to do this.

 

[me2]

Well at this point is clearly part of the process to get someone or some people fired. The players have obviously decided they'd rather book their tee times instead of trying for another minute in the current environment. Whether it's Tortorella or Gillis or both we don't really know at this stage.

Gillis but he seems to have treated them well enough, they sign good deals and have NTCs. They don't see to want to leave and are using their NTCs. But who really knows, one or both?

 

[me2]

Core is done. They had their chance in 2011, were better than any other team by a mile, and choked a 2-0 SCF series lead to lose what should have been the first ever Stanley Cup in franchise history.

It's time to move on. All good things must come to an end, and this group, has arrived at the end. I hate to say this, but I'm sincerely hoping for the Sedins to retire before the end of their contracts...being saddled with those deals are a crippler.

Kesler, Edler, Bieksa should all go in the summer. Those would be huge shakeups to the core and send a message to the fans of some significant change. With those three, you should be able to get some valuable youth and a few first round picks - aim for a 2015 McDavid draft first rounder in there as well.

Anyone who still believes in this group and thinks they just need some pieces here and there, I really hope for your sake, that you see the light sometime soon.

I for one don't want to watch this product anymore, I'm excited for some youth and energy, some talent and some intensity to be brought into this organization. This group is beyond stale.

If they are bold, trade their best assets in Kesler/Edler/Bieksa they could really speed up the retooling here significantly, but only IF they are bold and make these deals before letting these situations linger on to the point of annoyance, exhaustion and idiocy - which I'll say right now, I'm not exactly confident in Gillis' ability to do this.

Agreed. The main stumbling block will be Aquilini, whether it is Gillis or some other GM, they have to convince him to go harder on a rebuild. If the reports are true that Gillis is trying to convinced him to retool/rebuild harder and Aquilini is blocking we are doomed no matter the GM.

 

[damack]

Kesler, Edler, Bieksa should all go in the summer. Those would be huge shakeups to the core and send a message to the fans of some significant change.

Could you tell me how to trade 3 guys with no trade clauses, with 2 of them saying they aren't going anywhere? I'm not trying to call you out, just curious how this would be possible. There can't really be a "shakeup" when these players aren't going anywhere if they don't want to.

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

One for the record books hey?

Looks like we got the best of both worlds though - actually score some goals, get the PP going (to an extent) and we still come away a winner in the lottery race!

Anyway, it was the penalties killed us. We did lose our **** and Eddie had a shocker. I just don't know.