Post-Game Talk: Canucks Kick Oilers Ass - Man I Love this Team! Hughes x2 Heinen x1

[Canucker]

You can already see today his coach and a lot of talking heads feel that way. Basically saying talented guy is getting interfered with? Seems like he’s justified in cross checking someone in the face. Which is, of course, horse shit, and another symptom of NHL “game management” rather than actually calling the rule book.

Imagine if it was the other way around. Garland would be sent to Siberia.

My take on it was McDavid completely interfered with Garland first, resulting in them both going down. He held Garland down for a couple of seconds, then Garland got up and returned the favour. That, IMO, was why no call was forthcoming to anyone at that point - because they were both doing the same thing.

Then McDavid cross checks Garland in the face, and Myers (for some reason?!) cross checks Bouchard in the face.

I was thinking when I was watching it "wtf is McDavid doing?" He's laying on Garland instead of trying to get back into the play...what a nice trade off.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

The simple fix for all of this is to tell officials to simply call the rules and abandon game management. Seriously, minor hockey games are better reffed than the NHL is because refs are always either making phantom calls or ignoring obvious calls in the interest of “game management”. Actually call the rule book (for example, yelling and screaming at a ref after getting a penalty is itself a penalty - and every single player in the NHL does it and gets away with it), and you eliminate a lot of the issues.

 

[valkynax]

You can already see today his coach and a lot of talking heads feel that way. Basically saying talented guy is getting interfered with? Seems like he’s justified in cross checking someone in the face. Which is, of course, horse shit, and another symptom of NHL “game management” rather than actually calling the rule book.

Imagine if it was the other way around. Garland would be sent to Siberia.

My take on it was McDavid completely interfered with Garland first, resulting in them both going down. He held Garland down for a couple of seconds, then Garland got up and returned the favour. That, IMO, was why no call was forthcoming to anyone at that point - because they were both doing the same thing.

Then McDavid cross checks Garland in the face, and Myers (for some reason?!) cross checks Bouchard in the face.

The replay showed exactly that, I counted as I watched, 5-6 seconds from each of Garland and McDavid tangling with the other.

The league's (and many of the people associated with it) double standard is just laughable.

 

[DiggerDan]

I thought Desharnais had his best game of the year, too, and that lines up.

Yes, agreed the Sasson line were excellent. They had good chemistry as well as Suter with JT, like many have been calling for. Let's hope Tocchet learns from this.

Also agree that Desharnais had a great game. He had a couple of excellent break out passes as well.

 

[Lupuls Grit]

Tyler Myers was really good last night. The Canucks are getting full value for his contract. It is not his fault that his deployment is as a Top 3 defence man. He is miles ahead of Soucy this year.
Thought Hog looked really good last night. The whole line was obviously really good. While it is easy to give props to Hog and Sasson as the new guy, let's not overlook how good Pizza Man was on that line. Solid game for a guy with limited skills and who somehow continues to find a way to will himself into the lineup.
I don't want to see Miller traded. I just can't imagine the Canucks are going to receive proper value in return. Leaving aside his obvious value on the ice (face-offs, passion, etc), he is just so much fun to watch when he is engaged.
Hughes will be worth close to a max contract. He absolutely controls the game. If the Canucks don't pay him, someone else will.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

My suspicion on what occurs here is -

Myers - 2 game suspension
McDavid - Fine or 1 game suspension

 

[Orr4Norris]

Garland did exactly what every NHLer should do at the end of a game. 12 sec left, the other team has the puck, and their best player was stupid enough to engage with you? Yeah, you hold him down. There’s no consequences at that point.

It’s crazy McDavid was even playing that game after what was one of the dirtiest head shots I’ve seen in a long time.

 

[VanillaCoke]

Two games each to avoid the Thursday rematch, too easy & obvious for even cte parros to miss

 

[Ernie]

and Myers (for some reason?!) cross checks Bouchard in the face.

Bouchard probably said something to him. I'm 1000% here for the Tyler Myers villain arc tho.

 

[FuzzyTitus]

I think Garland kind of held McDavids arm when he was on top of him not letting him get up. Cause why would mcdavid care about getting Garland out of the play that's a bad trade off.

But his cross check is premeditated and aimed. Myers' I think was more of an accident of he thought Bouchard would engage but he's anti-confrontational it seems.

 

[Ernie]

My suspicion on what occurs here is -

Myers - 2 game suspension
McDavid - Fine or 1 game suspension

A 2 game suspension would avoid having McDavid play against the Canucks next game, which would probably be in the OIler's best interest.

The "code" says that the crosscheck needs to be responded to, and the Oilers have a lot more to lose than the Canucks right now. If Kiefer Sherwood punches McDavid in the face a couple of times the Canucks fanbase would certainly have no problem with it.

Just a little anecdote: I was at the PWHL game and there was a family with a couple of young children behind us. They were cheering for Montreal, but the kids also started to boo Toronto when they had the puck. The parents told them multiple times "you don't boo opposing teams or players unless it's the Oilers and McDavid." Great parents.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

I will not be popular but then I don't care about "likes".

The Canucks won, the 2 points were vital to stay close to the WC2 spot.
They held the Oilers to 15 shots, that was really good.
Now the unpopular part;

I watched the game twice looking to collaboration of some comments, just saying.
Garland was really smart to take out McDavid like that, a big trade off at that time
BUT
Overall the reffing was definitely for the home team, this isn't anything the Canucks have not been on the receiving end a few times.
I counted at least 5 flagrant and obvious penalties not called. Boeser, Pettersson, Garland all had very obvious interference, tripping or unsportsmanlike penalties not called. Two of which led directly to goals.
In truth, I was embarrassed by Garlands tactics, I understand them but this isnt' the first time McD has had a Canuck give him a bear hug and hold him with both arms around him when he doesn't have the puck.
Another thought came to me, Hughes better watch out next game because if that tactic works for the Canucks it might work to the Oilers in their barn.
No fighting so retaliation might come in the form of harassment of Canucks stars by 4th liners and they have last change next game.
The Myers cross check was baffling, the whistle had already been blown and he hit Bouchard with a heavy check into the boards, evidently he was getting a penalty for that but the cross check? Really out of character. Maybe desperation to take out the best players just in case they had enough time to set up for a shot.

Garland doesn't stick up for himself, someone else gets to pay his bill.

It could be the entire team knows or thinks that was Miller's last game and wanted desperately to have him go out on a win.

It was two points, that's the biggest stat

Whatever

This guy bleeds oil

 

[Bgav]

Oilers fans think the main boards mods are against them. They really think people give a f*** about them

Bouchard probably said something to him. I'm 1000% here for the Tyler Myers villain arc tho.

He said he has better vision than Myers. Myers seeing a cross eyed dude own him couldn’t help himself

 

[God]

My suspicion on what occurs here is -

Myers - 2 game suspension
McDavid - Fine or 1 game suspension

the myers cross check probably had more force to it, but bouchard was coming at him so there's an argument that he's defending his space. meanwhile garland is looking at the play after getting up and gets cross-checked from the blindside.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

the myers cross check probably had more force to it, but bouchard was coming at him so there's an argument that he's defending his space. meanwhile garland is looking at the play after getting up and gets cross-checked from the blindside.

I think they both had force, but Myers’ was straight on. Garland also didn’t fold and sell when he got nailed.

 

[RobertKron]

Oilers fans think the main boards mods are against them. They really think people give a f*** about them

berta gonna bert

 

[God]

I think they both had force, but Myers’ was straight on. Garland also didn’t fold and sell when he got nailed.

realistically garland is defenseless in that case, whereas bouchard has a reasonable expectation of contact when he's headed straight towards myers

 

[AlainVigneaultsGum]

LMFAO

 

[December5th]

LMFAO

they are rumbling tumblin equally, then out of nowhere he crosschecks garland to the side of the head violently. why are they trying to frame it like garland was trying to injure mcdavid in any way, mcdavid was the only one with the intent to injure.

 

[theguardianII]

Garland and McD's tangle didn't started with Garland. McD was literally on top of Garland for 5-6 seconds, Garland finally got up and happily returned the favor.

As for Hughes watch out or whatever, well in last playoffs McDavid basically speared Hughes in the face and got away with it. Other teams are already pulling all kinds of shit against our guys because they know the response will be pathetic, and our powerplay is laughable, so there's very little incentive not to.

I PVR'd the game. I have watched it several times.
McD did what Pettersson does all the time, a reverse hit, Garland going for the puck and a reverse hit.
Upon contact Garland grabs a hold of McD's left arm and puts it in an arm bar, then clamps both legs around McD's legs for 5 or 6 seconds after the "arm bar" rolls McD over, once McD extricates himself Garland puts a bear hug on him and pulls him down and over then leans on top of him holding him down. That's not hockey, that's not even being a "shadow". It desperation. Win at all costs.

Okay lets take the "he deserved it shit", anytime a player holds the puck s much as he does there are likely 4 or 5 times a games they are slashed, hooked or interfered with, they are too good for the rest.

This game the ref's were one sided and biased, Boeser clearly picked a player almost putting him on his ass, neither had the puck, this led to a goal, Pettersson yanked Nurse's feet out from under him putting him out of position, this led to a goal, neither were called and both were blatant.

Face up to it, if the names were changed to Brown instead of Garland, Hughes instead of McDavid, Podkolzin instead of Boeser and Hyman instead of Pettersson and Hronek instead of Nurse the posts here would be 5 times bigger and longer.

With names changed;

McDavid scores when Hyman takes Hronek's feet out from him in a clear trip, Hyman even drops his stick and throws his hands up, McDavid scores again when Podkolzin knocks down a Canuck penalty killer and McDavid skates past into the hole made and scores a goal, in the last minute Brown tackles Hughes and holds him down for 12 seconds and the refs don't blow the whistle. Then after Hughes gets up he cross checks Brown. Off to the side Nurse has given Hronek a stiff body check after the whistle and then a few seconds later an unprovoked cross check to the mouth.

All the same stuff with the names reversed. These events happened.

There is nothing I am saying justifies anything,but it does suggest that a nuclear deterrent is needed in hockey. Can't count on the refs or whistles to police the game when seconds can count.

As far as what will happen to Myers and McDavid, be prepared for Myers to get extra.
McDavid was provoked, this has influenced outcomes before, where Myers was not even close, Bouchard and him had not had incidents prior to Myers late hit, a mutual slash and then Myers cross check.
Right or wrong some fans might remember when D. Sedin got hit with a flying elbow and the puck was no where near him or unplayable 8 feet over his head, a previous incident was used to mitigate the suspension as being provoked. That is one that I can remember easily.

They got 2 points but it changed nothing, they are still not in the WC2 spot and now will have a lot of teams targeting Canuck star players because that IS something other players will look at as cheap and dirty.

 

[andora]

I PVR'd the game. I have watched it several times.
McD did what Pettersson does all the time, a reverse hit, Garland going for the puck and a reverse hit.
Upon contact Garland grabs a hold of McD's left arm and puts it in an arm bar, then clamps both legs around McD's legs for 5 or 6 seconds after the "arm bar" rolls McD over, once McD extricates himself Garland puts a bear hug on him and pulls him down and over then leans on top of him holding him down. That's not hockey, that's not even being a "shadow". It desperation. Win at all costs.

Okay lets take the "he deserved it shit", anytime a player holds the puck s much as he does there are likely 4 or 5 times a games they are slashed, hooked or interfered with, they are too good for the rest.

This game the ref's were one sided and biased, Boeser clearly picked a player almost putting him on his ass, neither had the puck, this led to a goal, Pettersson yanked Nurse's feet out from under him putting him out of position, this led to a goal, neither were called and both were blatant.

Face up to it, if the names were changed to Brown instead of Garland, Hughes instead of McDavid, Podkolzin instead of Boeser and Hyman instead of Pettersson and Hronek instead of Nurse the posts here would be 5 times bigger and longer.

With names changed;

McDavid scores when Hyman takes Hronek's feet out from him in a clear trip, Hyman even drops his stick and throws his hands up, McDavid scores again when Podkolzin knocks down a Canuck penalty killer and McDavid skates past into the hole made and scores a goal, in the last minute Brown tackles Hughes and holds him down for 12 seconds and the refs don't blow the whistle. Then after Hughes gets up he cross checks Brown. Off to the side Nurse has given Hronek a stiff body check after the whistle and then a few seconds later an unprovoked cross check to the mouth.

All the same stuff with the names reversed. These events happened.

There is nothing I am saying justifies anything,but it does suggest that a nuclear deterrent is needed in hockey. Can't count on the refs or whistles to police the game when seconds can count.

As far as what will happen to Myers and McDavid, be prepared for Myers to get extra.
McDavid was provoked, this has influenced outcomes before, where Myers was not even close, Bouchard and him had not had incidents prior to Myers late hit, a mutual slash and then Myers cross check.
Right or wrong some fans might remember when D. Sedin got hit with a flying elbow and the puck was no where near him or unplayable 8 feet over his head, a previous incident was used to mitigate the suspension as being provoked. That is one that I can remember easily.

They got 2 points but it changed nothing, they are still not in the WC2 spot and now will have a lot of teams targeting Canuck star players because that IS something other players will look at as cheap and dirty.

Go away

 

[valkynax]

I PVR'd the game. I have watched it several times.
McD did what Pettersson does all the time, a reverse hit, Garland going for the puck and a reverse hit.
Upon contact Garland grabs a hold of McD's left arm and puts it in an arm bar, then clamps both legs around McD's legs for 5 or 6 seconds after the "arm bar" rolls McD over, once McD extricates himself Garland puts a bear hug on him and pulls him down and over then leans on top of him holding him down. That's not hockey, that's not even being a "shadow". It desperation. Win at all costs.

Okay lets take the "he deserved it shit", anytime a player holds the puck s much as he does there are likely 4 or 5 times a games they are slashed, hooked or interfered with, they are too good for the rest.

This game the ref's were one sided and biased, Boeser clearly picked a player almost putting him on his ass, neither had the puck, this led to a goal, Pettersson yanked Nurse's feet out from under him putting him out of position, this led to a goal, neither were called and both were blatant.

Face up to it, if the names were changed to Brown instead of Garland, Hughes instead of McDavid, Podkolzin instead of Boeser and Hyman instead of Pettersson and Hronek instead of Nurse the posts here would be 5 times bigger and longer.

With names changed;

McDavid scores when Hyman takes Hronek's feet out from him in a clear trip, Hyman even drops his stick and throws his hands up, McDavid scores again when Podkolzin knocks down a Canuck penalty killer and McDavid skates past into the hole made and scores a goal, in the last minute Brown tackles Hughes and holds him down for 12 seconds and the refs don't blow the whistle. Then after Hughes gets up he cross checks Brown. Off to the side Nurse has given Hronek a stiff body check after the whistle and then a few seconds later an unprovoked cross check to the mouth.

All the same stuff with the names reversed. These events happened.

There is nothing I am saying justifies anything,but it does suggest that a nuclear deterrent is needed in hockey. Can't count on the refs or whistles to police the game when seconds can count.

As far as what will happen to Myers and McDavid, be prepared for Myers to get extra.
McDavid was provoked, this has influenced outcomes before, where Myers was not even close, Bouchard and him had not had incidents prior to Myers late hit, a mutual slash and then Myers cross check.
Right or wrong some fans might remember when D. Sedin got hit with a flying elbow and the puck was no where near him or unplayable 8 feet over his head, a previous incident was used to mitigate the suspension as being provoked. That is one that I can remember easily.

They got 2 points but it changed nothing, they are still not in the WC2 spot and now will have a lot of teams targeting Canuck star players because that IS something other players will look at as cheap and dirty.

Once again, McDavid initiated the whole thing. He was the one who bump into Garland first. If not for that, he would not put himself in the position to be tangled up. My theory is he's expecting that to happen so he can con the refs out of a penalty. But all that aside, you don't cross check a guy in the face when he's not looking.

If this is your stance, then I'm fully expecting you to call out every play of this type from every game. If not, there's no consistency and no standards.