Rumor: Canucks interested in Kravstov

[PenderB]

Done

I’m even happy to retain 33% of pearson

 

[MarkMessyay11]

I understand teams (and fans) wanting to try to take advantage of the Rangers situation with Kravstov. All I’ll say is that the Rangers were able to get a 2nd for Lias Andersson and he’s half the player and quarter the talent that Kravstov is. The only detriment to his value right now is how the situation played out earlier this year…but Drury is under no other obligation to trade him unless he gets what he’s looking for.

I’m not sure what fair value is, but I don’t think a 2nd rounder or dime a dozen winger will do it.

 

[Canucks LB]

No matter what so many people here think, The Canucks Rangers make absolutely perfect trade partners for multiple parts and pieces.
Not sure what will be done, But I am certain we will have at least 1 trade between the two by the deadline

 

[M2Beezy]

I understand teams (and fans) wanting to try to take advantage of the Rangers situation with Kravstov. All I’ll say is that the Rangers were able to get a 2nd for Lias Andersson and he’s half the player and quarter the talent that Kravstov is. The only detriment to his value right now is how the situation played out earlier this year…but Drury is under no other obligation to trade him unless he gets what he’s looking for.

I’m not sure what fair value is, but I don’t think a 2nd rounder or dime a dozen winger will do it.

To quote ms

Kravtsov couldn't score in the AHL at 20, couldn't score in the NHL at 21, and undrafted U-23 forwards on his KHL team are out-performing him at age 22.

The guy's whole profile is based on the 2018 KHL playoffs. He might be worth a 3rd or 4th round pick and even that might be generous.

And that is why the Rangers would ADD a mid round pick to Kravstov in order to aquire Motte

 

[One Winged Angel]

Apparently your management does.

Yeah, because all of the beat writers in NY have been all over that.

Seravalli is being leaked something by Vancouver management to drive Miller’s price up.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Kravtsov for Pearson

Absolutely not.

 

[M2Beezy]

Kravtsov for Pearson

Not a chance, Kravstov will never be a fraction of the player Pearson is

 

[One Winged Angel]

No just no. Yeah Hoglanders is struggling to put points up but he is still driving offence. We aren't trading him for a guy that we don't know if he will how long he will stay in NHL and not bolt back to the KHL and has attitude problems. Barron has shown nothing to say he is an NHL player and even if he is he's fourth line center at best which are a dime a dozen.

Stop talking about Barron, you’ve clearly never watched him play.

 

[MS]

I understand teams (and fans) wanting to try to take advantage of the Rangers situation with Kravstov. All I’ll say is that the Rangers were able to get a 2nd for Lias Andersson and he’s half the player and quarter the talent that Kravstov is. The only detriment to his value right now is how the situation played out earlier this year…but Drury is under no other obligation to trade him unless he gets what he’s looking for.

I’m not sure what fair value is, but I don’t think a 2nd rounder or dime a dozen winger will do it.

The 2nd for Lias Andersson was an absolutely stupid deal.

If someone gives up a 2nd for Kravtsov, that would also be an absolutely stupid deal.

Trading significant assets for busting prospects in their draft+4/draft+5 based on hype/pedigree from years before is a bad move and basically never works out.

 

[Canucks LB]

Yeah, because all of the beat writers in NY have been all over that.

Seravalli is being leaked something by Vancouver management to drive Miller’s price up.

Dreger, Seravalli,Drance,Patrick Johnson,and Sat have all reported the interested by the rangers for miller and even Rick Dhaliwal who is the best in the league basically right now for Canucks Inside News
Way to much smoke

 

[One Winged Angel]

To quote ms



And that is why the Rangers would ADD a mid round pick to Kravstov in order to aquire Motte

Lmfao no. Not even slightly close to true.

To think the Rangers would add a piece to Kravtsov to acquire Tyler Motte is one of the most outlandish and delusional statements I’ve ever heard on this website in my near 16 years of being on here.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Dreger, Seravalli,Drance,Patrick Johnson,and Sat have all reported the interested by the rangers for miller and even Rick Dhaliwal who is the best in the league basically right now for Canucks Inside News
Way to much smoke

Again, NO ONE in NY has reported any type of serious interest in JT Miller and knowing how he left this Rangers organization, I doubt they want to bring him back.

The media are used as tools of public negotiation on a regular basis.

If a deal happens, it happens, but with the amount of silence from our beat writers here (Brooks would know more about the Rangers interest than anyone you listed, whether anyone likes it or not), odds are Vancouver’s FO is trying to drum up interest.

 

[Canucks LB]

Again, NO ONE in NY has reported any type of serious interest in JT Miller and knowing how he left this Rangers organization, I doubt they want to bring him back.

The media are used as tools of public negotiation on a regular basis.

If a deal happens, it happens, but with the amount of silence from our beat writers here (Brooks would know more about the Rangers interest than anyone you listed, whether anyone likes it or not), odds are Vancouver’s FO is trying to drum up interest.

It's definitely a possibility, But I still feel like the Rangers are absolutely leading the mix.

 

[One Winged Angel]

It's definitely a possibility, But I still feel like the Rangers are absolutely leading the mix.

That’s fine, we disagree on their respective stances.

I can tell you with a lot of certainty though that if Brooks isn’t at least reporting something, there’s a possible lack of interest on their end.

Knowing what happened with Miller’s exit and the locker room and immaturity problems he had back then makes it less likely that they’d want to bring him back, considering that 2 of the 4 remaining players from the 2018 roster are in the leadership group.

Maybe something is there, but there’s also a lot to say that JT Miller might not be the best fit for this team.

Also, considering the “supposed” asking price and potential cap issues it could create, I doubt Drury wants to give up those assets for him.

 

[Paddys Pub]

Kravtsov is a top 10 pick though.

Lol. 5 years ago.
Considering he hasn’t done much in those 5 years, his value isn’t close to a top 10 pick anymore.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Yeah, because all of the beat writers in NY have been all over that.

Seravalli is being leaked something by Vancouver management to drive Miller’s price up.

To drive Miller's price up?

Miller is a point per game power forward in his prime on a ridiculously team friendly contract which includes another year.

Rutherford can literally sit back and just hold his nards all day and Miller's price will still be up.

Her certainly doesnt need to leak it to insiders as if other GMs dont already know the price is expensive.

 

[Vector]

If he's the 3rd or 4th piece in the deal (depending on the makeup of said deal) then sure, take a flyer on him. Otherwise there's not much to this player right now.

 

[slg1963]

3 first? Kravstov, Lundqvist, 1st?

Is that how it works?


Schenn, Pearson and our 1st for Panarin.

3 firsts for Panarin! you should take it!

Kravstov and Lundqvist were both first round picks and you want another 1st on top of that, keep up it`s not rocket science.

 

[SingnBluesOnBroadway]

I can tell you with a lot of certainty though that if Brooks isn’t at least reporting something, there’s a possible lack of interest on their end.

Brooks is a master of blurring the line between reporting on something and just musing.

Case in point: the Canucks hire someone who just happens to be Lafreniere's agent. So he muses that the Nucks could target Lafreniere. Based on what? Larry's mind working under time.

Along his random musings, he threw out sending Chytil and Lundkvist to Vancouver for Miller. Does that mean the Rangers are targeting Miller? No. Does that mean that the asking price is Chytil and Lundkvist? No. For that matter does it mean the Rangers aren't interested in Miller? No again.

 

[Seventy7]

Kravstov and Lundqvist were both first round picks and you want another 1st on top of that, keep up it`s not rocket science.

get what you’re saying… how many gms do you think would give a 1st for kravtsov right now?

 

[MS]

Kravstov and Lundqvist were both first round picks and you want another 1st on top of that, keep up it`s not rocket science.

Guys taken in the first round 4 years ago who have developed poorly and aren't in the NHL (or excelling at lower levels) are not worth #1 picks any longer.

Kravtsov might be worth a 3rd or a 4th. Lundqvist maybe a 2nd. And that might be generous.

 

[BCNate]

That’s fine, we disagree on their respective stances.

I can tell you with a lot of certainty though that if Brooks isn’t at least reporting something, there’s a possible lack of interest on their end.

Knowing what happened with Miller’s exit and the locker room and immaturity problems he had back then makes it less likely that they’d want to bring him back, considering that 2 of the 4 remaining players from the 2018 roster are in the leadership group.

Maybe something is there, but there’s also a lot to say that JT Miller might not be the best fit for this team.

Also, considering the “supposed” asking price and potential cap issues it could create, I doubt Drury wants to give up those assets for him.

I may be wrong, but Brooks did report on this a few weeks back?

Kravstov and Lundqvist were both first round picks and you want another 1st on top of that, keep up it`s not rocket science.

Oli Juolevi was a top 5 pick, does he still count as a first rounder?

 

[Cogburn]

Kravstov and Lundqvist were both first round picks and you want another 1st on top of that, keep up it`s not rocket science.

So were Schenn and Pearson.

Kravstov is not worth a first round pick given his difficulties. Lundqvist is also D+3...so at what point is he still considered at his draft position and not the player or prospect he's become?

Not to mention the fact 1st round picks can't be the gold standard for value. There is a 63% chance of a first round pick being an NHL regular. Not an impact player, but simply a regular player. Playing 200 games is considered a "regular" for context. 25% of second round picks, and 12% of third round picks end up being "regulars" too, if anyone's curious. That's Paul Osborne of the Guelph Tribune, I couldn't really be bothered to run the numbers for more recent picks myself.

 

[Dijock94]

What has happened to this guy?

He had Kovalev-esque comparison to him his draft year.

I know immaturity played a part in his lack of development but overall how are his skill set?

skill and size is high

 

[Peter Griffin]

Yeah, because all of the beat writers in NY have been all over that.

Seravalli is being leaked something by Vancouver management to drive Miller’s price up.

It’s not just Seravelli, multiple reports have mentioned the Rangers being interested including David Pagnotta and Larry Brooks.

It’s not like it’s surprising the Rangers would be interested in acquiring Miller. The real question is how much are they willing to trade to obtain him. My guess is that other teams likely want him more.