Rumor: Canucks interested in Kravstov

[Boondock]

Ok, so explain then.

you want me to explain to you your own posts.....man if you need help understanding them maybe that's on you.

 

[One Winged Angel]

Agreed and this is basically what I said in the post you quoted.

Sorry, didn’t see that in the post, but you were inferring that.

I also don’t doubt there’s a deal that could be made between the two teams.

On the flip side, I doubt Vancouver wants to sell right now.

 

[UrbanImpact]

It’s a very common practice.

If Miller is that great and Rutherford can sit on his hands, maybe they should just keep Miller then.

I dont exactly see what the point of "leaking interest" is and how it relates to driving up the price.

Are you under the impression that GMs cant just call each other to see if its BS?

Seravelli: NY Rangers have heavy interest on Miller and have offered up to 3 pieces

Other Gm's interested in Miller : Well damn, If Seravelli said so then I believe it, no need to call Chris Drury and find out if its true.

Leaking interest possibly happens to lower level players, but not the big fish in the trade market.

As for Miller, yes he is that great.

The only reason Canucks are considering trading him is the following:

1. Miller has probably indicated that he will be testing the free agent market in 1.5 years and prefers to play/live in the USA

2. Canucks are about to start a rebuild/retool and having a 30 yr old Miller in 1.5 yrs with a brand new 5-6 year contract just doesnt make sense for their competitive and core window.

but believe me if all things were equal and we were just trading players, Miller would be the last player Id trade out of the Canucks. He is the Alpha in the Dressing room and the best player on the ice. Heck, If Miller expressed he wants to retire as a Canuck, I could be talked into giving him a new contract and live with the idea that he wont perform to his contract in his 34,35,36 yrs old years. Canucks need more Miller not less but unfortunately there are circumstances that I listed which makes moving Miller the smart play.

 

[bernmeister]

It's cute when fans are in denial about a busting prospect they've overrated.

Pretty much every young player has to earn their minutes. That he couldn't and didn't want to is not a point in his favour.

And again, none of that explains his underwhelming production at every other level and every other stage of his career since being drafted.

What's the excuse for absolutely eating shit in the AHL with probably the worst performance at that level by a top-10 pick in recent memory?

disingenuous false narrative
he has to play w/quality linemates to yield quality results
stop trying to deny this

 

[One Winged Angel]

you want me to explain to you your own posts.....man if you need help understanding them maybe that's on you.

That’s what I thought.

The point being made wasn’t even made by me.

 

[UrbanImpact]

Sorry, didn’t see that in the post, but you were inferring that.

I also don’t doubt there’s a deal that could be made between the two teams.

On the flip side, I doubt Vancouver wants to sell right now.

It would be smart for Vancouver to wait until off-season to sell Miller. The auction will be much bigger as there would be double the amount of teams interested in Miller. The trading team can also be given permission to negotiate a long term contract with Miller before the deal goes through.

Right now its most likely just a handful of playoff teams that are willing to trade for Miller.

Imagine if in the off-season teams like Anaheim, New Jerson or LA decide their re-build is done and they want to surround their core with Miller. Then you bring in a a whole new set of buyers with much much better prospect pools than All In teams who have sold assets the last few years. BTW those All-in Teams will still also be interested in Miller in the off-season.

 

[Boondock]

Yeah, because all of the beat writers in NY have been all over that.

Seravalli is being leaked something by Vancouver management to drive Miller’s price up.

Again, NO ONE in NY has reported any type of serious interest in JT Miller and knowing how he left this Rangers organization, I doubt they want to bring him back.

The media are used as tools of public negotiation on a regular basis.

If a deal happens, it happens, but with the amount of silence from our beat writers here (Brooks would know more about the Rangers interest than anyone you listed, whether anyone likes it or not), odds are Vancouver’s FO is trying to drum up interest.

That’s fine, we disagree on their respective stances.

I can tell you with a lot of certainty though that if Brooks isn’t at least reporting something, there’s a possible lack of interest on their end.

Knowing what happened with Miller’s exit and the locker room and immaturity problems he had back then makes it less likely that they’d want to bring him back, considering that 2 of the 4 remaining players from the 2018 roster are in the leadership group.

Maybe something is there, but there’s also a lot to say that JT Miller might not be the best fit for this team.

Also, considering the “supposed” asking price and potential cap issues it could create, I doubt Drury wants to give up those assets for him.

He had a musing about it, basically saying he’d do Chytil and Lundkvist.

Aside from that, there’s not been much, if anything at all from all of the NY beat reporters overall.

As I’ve stated in other previous replies, this sounds more like Vancouver trying to drum up interest, drive up the price. The vibe that I’m getting is that they don’t want to move him for anything less than a haul and they might not be getting the offers they want right now.

Could I be wrong? Sure. None of us know for sure.

However, what I can say 2 things for certain…

1. There has been very little traction from the NY beat writers on it, which would make me believe that all of this is coming from Vancouver leaking something. Brooks would’ve specifically stated something in his articles if he heard something from his sources and whether anyone likes it or not, he’s the most connected of all of the Ranger beats.

2. Miller had locker room and immaturity issues and 2 of the 4 remaining members from that 2018 team are now in the leadership group. This team has worked hard to get rid of locker room problems and improve the culture. I have a very hard time believing they would want to bring back someone who left on bad terms like Miller did.

So take that for what it’s worth. I don’t doubt that there have been discussions. What I highly doubt is the level of Ranger interest in Miller that’s being reported by Seravalli/Drance/Dhaliwal and whatever other sources are being leaked info by Vancouver management.

If you’re talking about me, you’re missing the point.

No I'm pretty sure I'm caught up.

Ok, so explain then.

you want me to explain to you your own posts.....man if you need help understanding them maybe that's on you.

That’s what I thought.

The point being made wasn’t even made by me.

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If the point wasn't made by you, you should contact the site administrator, because someone has commandeered your account and are trying to make the point for you.

 

[MS]

disingenuous false narrative
he has to play w/quality linemates to yield quality results
stop trying to deny this

Why is this player never playing himself into the position to yield quality results? Is there some sort of massive conspiracy against him?

Like, this should be a piece of cake for a 20 y/o top-10 pick in the AHL.

Wasn't good at the WJCs either as Russia's go-to guy.

All of this sounds hilariously similar to excuses we've heard for Canuck draft flops over the years. It's all the evil coach's fault! Let's ignore patterns of poor performance at lower levels for years and get tunnel vision on the fact that a coach put a guy on the 4th line who didn't deserve to be any higher than the 4th line and who didn't do anything to play himself into better minutes! That's the problem!

 

[One Winged Angel]

If the point wasn't made by you, you should contact the site administrator, because someone has commandeered your account and are trying to make the point for you.

It's not my fault that you assumed that the point I'm referring to was made by myself and wasted time multi-quoting me in order to find out that it wasn't coming from me and in the process, making a fool of yourself.

Better luck next time.

 

[clmetsfan]

Why is this player never playing himself into the position to yield quality results? Is there some sort of massive conspiracy against him?

Like, this should be a piece of cake for a 20 y/o top-10 pick in the AHL.

Wasn't good at the WJCs either as Russia's go-to guy.

All of this sounds hilariously similar to excuses we've heard for Canuck draft flops over the years. It's all the evil coach's fault! Let's ignore patterns of poor performance at lower levels for years and get tunnel vision on the fact that a coach put a guy on the 4th line who didn't deserve to be any higher than the 4th line and who didn't do anything to play himself into better minutes! That's the problem!

You're partially right. Kravstov definitely didn't earn his minutes, and it's been an exhausting debate between the fanboy/non-fanboy contingents on the Ragners board about whether he or Drury is more to blame. I'm in the camp that Kravstov hasn't done enough to be handed a top-6 role on a playoff team, and that he was an immature baby by refusing to report to the A for a couple weeks.

HOWEVER, your assessment of him remains blatantly unfair. He's been one of his KHL team's best players both this year and last year (again, led them in goals last year and has the best scoring rate on the team since rejoining this year). His 4th line minutes in 20 NHL games last year alongside guys who can barely stay on their skates is nowhere near indicative of what he is and still can be as a player. His 40-game AHL stint two years ago certainly wasn't great, but a lot of foreign teenagers struggle when they first come over. So that's a knock on him, but not a big one. It's also worth noting that he consistently improved during his time in Hartford, so just looking at his final season stats doesn't tell the whole story.

Right now the biggest red flags lie with Kravstov's attitude, not his talent or production levels.

 

[One Winged Angel]

I dont exactly see what the point of "leaking interest" is and how it relates to driving up the price.

Are you under the impression that GMs cant just call each other to see if its BS?

Seravelli: NY Rangers have heavy interest on Miller and have offered up to 3 pieces

Other Gm's interested in Miller : Well damn, If Seravelli said so then I believe it, no need to call Chris Drury and find out if its true.

Are you trying to tell me that you really believe that GM's are going to be that honest and disclose information like that to each other?

I don't think you're that naive.

Leaking interest possibly happens to lower level players, but not the big fish in the trade market.

It happens all of the time in all aspects of sports media. If I had a nickel for everytime Boras used the Yankees to drive one of his clients' price up, I'd be filthy rich.

As for Miller, yes he is that great.

I don't think the discussion should be trading HIM then.

The only reason Canucks are considering trading him is the following:

1. Miller has probably indicated that he will be testing the free agent market in 1.5 years and prefers to play/live in the USA

While that's possible, we don't know for sure.

2. Canucks are about to start a rebuild/retool and having a 30 yr old Miller in 1.5 yrs with a brand new 5-6 year contract just doesnt make sense for their competitive and core window.

I get that, but I'm of the belief that Vancouver with the right moves could compete sooner.

but believe me if all things were equal and we were just trading players, Miller would be the last player Id trade out of the Canucks. He is the Alpha in the Dressing room and the best player on the ice. Heck, If Miller expressed he wants to retire as a Canuck, I could be talked into giving him a new contract and live with the idea that he wont perform to his contract in his 34,35,36 yrs old years. Canucks need more Miller not less but unfortunately there are circumstances that I listed which makes moving Miller the smart play.

Even with the difference in age, I'd move Horvat before I move Miller.

 

[Boondock]

It's not my fault that you assumed that the point I'm referring to was made by myself and wasted time multi-quoting me in order to find out that it wasn't coming from me and in the process, making a fool of yourself.

Better luck next time.

Say no to drugs kids

 

[McJedi]

Very interesting. Would think something like Motte for Kravstov and a mid round pick??

Motte? What.

 

[Buresflyingelbow]

This reminds me of the Sven Beartchi trade when he went for a second round pick. Both high picks that haven’t proven enough and time to move on. Rangers are a playoff team and Canucks have a lot of pieces they can add. Rathbone could be a guy they covet as he used to pair with Fox in college.

 

[GAGLine]

This reminds me of the Sven Beartchi trade when he went for a second round pick. Both high picks that haven’t proven enough and time to move on. Rangers are a playoff team and Canucks have a lot of pieces they can add. Rathbone could be a guy they covet as he used to pair with Fox in college.

Nope. Lindgren and Fox are pretty much joined at the hip at this point. Plus we've got Miller, Hajek, Jones, Robertson and Reunanen. We have no need for a LD prospect. If Kravtsov is being traded for another prospect, it needs to be a center.

 

[Donuts]

dickinson + poolman for kravstov + 1st

 

[Royal Puck]

Tyler Motte is reliable at playing hard and killing penalties. He has random tiny surges of offense. Played well in the playoffs a couple years back for the Canucks.

I think he's more valuable than some people are making him out to be. Would be an ideal bottom 6 player for a contender. I'm sure there's a few teams interested in him. He's 26 bout to turn 27 not like he's dusty.

But yeah.. straight up for Kravstov don't see the Rangers doing that. I'd take that deal and run as a Canucks fan.

 

[RangerBoy]

Having a tough time deciding who is overrating their teams asset more after reading some of these comments

Canucks with Miller
rangers with Kravtsov

I don't want to speak for the majority of the Rangers fanbase but Kravtsov can pound sand. The Rangers should not be doing him any favors. He stay in the KHL until he is 27. Unless the Rangers can get good value in a trade for him, let him rot in Russia. F him and his family.

The Vancouver fans are irrational. They expect a Miller trade to solve all of the Canucks needs.

 

[Chimpradamus]

You know there are cap problems involved, right? Next year NYR have little cap space when Fox's contract kicks in. This season they can only trade for rentals.

Miller has another year on his contract making it impossible to stay under the cap next season. NYR CANNOT trade a cheap youth contract for a veteran contract. End of story.

 

[Breakers]

The Vancouver fans are irrational. They expect a Miller trade to solve all of the Canucks needs.

Ahh yes and this valuation of Kravtsov from this thread is rational right?

"1st round pick & good prospect then add"

 

[AHLdepth]

I wonder if the Canucks are trying to get Kravtsov as a third piece, and the Rangers are trying to make him the center piece of a Miller trade

 

[Cogburn]

I wonder if the Canucks are trying to get Kravtsov as a third piece, and the Rangers are trying to make him the center piece of a Miller trade

If Kravtsov is the centerpiece of the deal, then I have a Tryamkin to try to sell someone...

 

[TheGortonConspiracy]

Very interesting. Would think something like Motte for Kravstov and a mid round pick??

Where can one read said column?

 

[Cogburn]

Where can one read said column?

I'd like to know too, I went searching, anything I haven't skimmed through is behind the Athletic's paywall.

 

[AHLdepth]

If Kravtsov is the centerpiece of the deal, then I have a Tryamkin to try to sell someone...

Oh agreed, but I wonder if the thinking goes "well they keep trying to bring up his name, so we'll build a package around him" when really the Canucks are looking at like Schneider, 1st and want Kravtsov to be a third piece