acquiring a bottom 6 forward and trading away a top 6 forward isn't a splash lol
Rumor: Canucks interested in Kravstov
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Does Zibby not play with Panarin and Fox on PP1?
Zibby has way better talent around him than Miller - this isn't even up for debate.
Yup. Zibby's 20 Powerplay points is definitely not related to Panarin at all.
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How is trading away a top six forward for a 2nd round pick and then overpaying for a third line forward a splash?
Is acquiring a worse player now considered a "splash"?
lol
TheBloodyNine
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He might be there with him on the PP but let’s not pretend that all of those 20 points are either passes from or to Panarin. Most of those points are probably related to Kreider tips.
I think the general point is that Zibby has way more talent around him than Miller.
Miller is far away the best player on this mid team. The next best player is 14 points behind.
Someone said: "Ooooof that's a bad comparison. Zibanejad is an entire class above Miller both offensively and defensively. No doubt JT is probably better on the draw, but still no"
So wrong... so wrong.
TheBloodyNine
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JT Miller has been better than Zibby offensively this year when you factor in the talent around them. To say Zibby is a "class" above him offensively is just so incorrect.
TheBloodyNine
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Zibanejad isn't a product of Panarin or Kreider.
FoxysExpensiveNYDigs
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Yes he does play PP1. I know its a shocker that a coach would play his best center on the powerplay.
No, do not need to keep because CAP is THE dominant, overriding consideration.
Breadman is not dependent on Strome or vice versa. He HAS TO, whether he likes it or not, earn his bread w/o his buddy who we cannot afford b'c too many Rangers are getting well paid and there is nothing left [fact for the most part they deserve their pay is irrelevant, that's how a hard cap works].
Also Chytil is just fine, he was our emerging 2C before injuring his hand last yr. If he has correct linemates, he will do well. He is not the weak link in the chain. Rangers need, again, to get down to a core, and max their mins.
NYRFANMANI
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I was gonna ask VAN and NYR fans alike, flip Kravtsov for Podkolzin? Fair?
But I'd like to know how Podkolzin is playing. Also at the draft I remember he was big, now looking at what he's listed on eliteprospects, Podkolzin seems like he didn't add much weight.
But I'd like to know how Podkolzin is playing. Also at the draft I remember he was big, now looking at what he's listed on eliteprospects, Podkolzin seems like he didn't add much weight.
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Nobody is arguing that Zibanejad is a product of Panarin or Kreider or Adam Fox for that matter (or at least I hope they aren't). The point he is trying to make is the support Zib has is far better than the support Miller has. Miller has 21 points more than any forward on the Canucks and 34 points on every defenseman not named Quinn Hughes (+14 on Hughes). Surely you can admit what Miller is doing with his support cast is far more impressive than Zibanejad?
NO YOU CAN NOT. Next season there is zero wiggle room. Bend, buckle and break in capitulation to that reality, which remains the case unless/until Trouba goes, whether that is early if he lets us or as currently scheduled 2 seasons hence if he does not. We not only need every nickel of Strome, without substituting another player/salary, + some additional departures just to cover Fox + Zib, but we are gonna need to move Lindgren to have scratch for LaF + Kakko.
If you want to dispute that, fine, SHOW THE MATH
TheBloodyNine
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Let's stop acting like the Canucks are the little sisters of the poor here. They have Petterson, Horvat, Boesser, Hughes. Plenty of good guys to accept a pass from or give one to.
Not even close. Pod isn't producing how we'd like, but he's also had a rotating roster of every player on our team, and is still doing quite well doing everything else at least. We're quite happy with Podkolzin, and have little faith in Kravtsov being an impact player. We already have a potentially impact player staying in Russia after a brief debut in the NHL in Tryamkin. We can't tie up more assets overseas with no promise they'll join our team, on our terms.
NYRFANMANI
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I hear you. Krava is just another player that screwed the Rangers, tanked his value immensely.
These are 2 similar talents, but VAN would need a profit to swap right now given how NY mgmt sabotaged their own asset. Also, just like we would prefer to add Pod to Krav, they would understandably want to add Krav to Pod.
So no, 1:1 not gonna happen.
Okay, you clearly haven't watched a single Canucks game this year. Nevermind.
TheBloodyNine
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And you clearly haven't watched a Rangers game so I guess we're both out of luck. I'm taking Zibanjad 100 times out of 100 over Miller, I don't care what crappy team he plays for.
I'm not making this argument? Nor is the poster you quoted. I can't speak for them but I would also take Zibanejad over Miller.
The argument we're making is that it's a complete stretch to say Zibanejad is offensively in another class compared to Miller. They are currently producing similar stats with Miller having far inferior teammates. There is zero merits to the argument they aren't comparable.
For what it's worth, I am a big fan of the Rangers (1994 notwithstanding) so I catch quite a few Rangers games including attending in-person when they came here back in November. I think the Rangers are a good, but not great team. They are mediocre 5v5, excellent on the powerplay, and their current record is mostly due to Vezina caliber goaltending. I don't think they are a Miller away from being a contender. If they can't sign Miller long-term without losing cost-effective talent, they shouldn't trade for him.
In other words, I agree that the Rangers should not trade for Miller. But I'm not going to sit here and listen to people crap on Miller because of some preconceived notion they have of him back when he was a third liner.
