Rumor: Canucks interested in Kravstov

[BCNate]

Not sure he is what we need,,,I'd rather us look to start building a better defence around Hughes .

A big skilled young winger is exactly what we need. Buying low on a guy like Kravstov would be a very good gamble.

 

[Bond]

Anyone else remember when @bernmeister was very recently saying Seider and Kravtsov still have very similar value because he was also a top 10 pick?

Bluest of blue chips lol

 

[Perennial]

Why? The Rangers are not cup contenders, JT doesn't make them cup contenders and then he can easily walk after next year. It would be a stupid, stupid move by the Rangers. They say frig no.

The Rangers are 30 - 13, and are 5th in the league in goals against

They seem like contenders to me...

 

[Raistlin]

All rangers fans need to know about Motte is that Bedard patterns his game after him.

 

[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

The Rangers are 30 - 13, and are 5th in the league in goals against

They seem like contenders to me...

And near league worst 5v5 numbers. CoNtEnDeRs!

 

[kerrabria]

That's kind of interesting. Looking back at the past couple of drafts, Vancouver seems to have a big stomach for blue chip, boom-bust prospects.
In 2017, Pettersson was considered a high-risk, high-reward player.
In 2018, Hughes, Boqvist, and Kravstov were considered extremely high risk, but with huge upside.
In 2019, Podkolzin and Caufield were the boom-bust guys.

 

[Perennial]

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[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Hasn't Kravtsov falled off considerably since he was drafted?

These reclamation projects NEVER work out for the Canucks.

 

[zodiacbiller]

Rutherford has a history of being willing to try out guys who seem like "problems," recently investing in Phil Kessel and Alex Galchenyuk. I could see this, especially since gambles are worth it in Vancouver's position.

 

[kerrabria]

Hasn't Kravtsov falled off considerably since he was drafted?

These reclamation projects NEVER work out for the Canucks.

JT Miller, OEL, and Jacob Markstrom all seemed to find a second wind in Vancouver.
Now that's not discounting the many young busts to whom Vancouver has given a chance, but every team has a handful of those.

 

[Nikolajs Sillers]

Who the hell is Kravstov? I just don't get it when people make threads and can't spell they names correctly. Takes two minutes from internet.

 

[CupSeeker]

The Rangers are 30 - 13, and are 5th in the league in goals against

They seem like contenders to me...

Yes, it would seem that way. But they are not, and moving valuable young assets for an ill advised attempt at a cup this season would be foolish. If JT had more term, I would feel different. But, this will be a rental; I doubt he will sign here.

 

[CupSeeker]

Who the hell is Kravstov?

Show yourself out; this discussion is above your pay grade.

 

[elitepete]

Kravstov and Lundqvist were both first round picks and you want another 1st on top of that, keep up it`s not rocket science.

Canucks will give you 5 first rounders for your undrafted player and 3rd rounder.

Myers, Pearson, Dickinson, Schenn, and Juulsen
for
Panarin and Fox

 

[M2Beezy]

Who the hell is Kravstov?

Hockey player

 

[clmetsfan]

Let's get real - Motte is not a second line player. He's a nice guy to have due to his energy and pk abilities and I would re-sign him if I didn't have injury concerns but overall I don't see this being a fair trade 1-1 for the Rangers. He's probably worth a second or B to B + prospect right now.

If he was under contract for next season, sure. But no one is going to give up a 2nd for 2 months of forechecking and penalty killing and zero value on faceoffs.

 

[Canucks LB]

I would be reluctant to trade motte for kravstov.
Sure There is a ton of potential there, But man motte is such a big heart and soul guy, and is a great third liner.

 

[elitepete]

Kravstov + Gauthier or Barron for Hoglander

LMAO

NY would have to add for Elias Pete but that is a discussion I could see.

A lot of different ways I could reply to this. EP is untouchable according to Canucks management, I will leave it at that.

The Vancouver fans are irrational. They expect a Miller trade to solve all of the Canucks needs.

A rangers fan saying this is rich though.

Yes it kind of is? There's a huge difference between a Top5 pick and a pick in the 20's. The one in the 20's is the one you'd be getting for Miller and I would value both Kravtsov and Lundkvist over a mystery draft pick somewhere in the 20's.

I wouldn't.

How much do you add to Kravtsov to get Hoglander? Obviously Hoglander has proven more at the NHL level and Kravtsov has the perceived higher ceiling. I’d be willing to reasonably add using that as the framework, as each player could fit well within the needs of the other team.

A kravtsov-Hogdlander deal just doesn't work for the Canucks. It would have to be Schneider+

The premise of the thread (which I admittedly haven’t read all of) seemed to be that they are enamored with Kravtsov. How much? No idea. As per the post above, I would probably do Kravtsov and a 2nd. I think Rangers fans wouldn’t love it, but as @VancouverJagger said, he wouldn’t love it either. That means it’s probably pretty close. Hoglander is a guy who would fit in very well with what NYR are trying to build.

Really bad for the Canucks. This basis doesn't work.

If rumour is true I could see it being in a deal for Hoglander. If Rangers are willing to add that is a bonus, Hoglander has more of an NHL resume but he is still young and needs to develop. If they decide to trade Hoglander I would prefer it be for a young RHD or a C of similar age.

Kravtsov is strictly a winger correct?

What rumours?

Nahhh - he's the exact kind of buy low guy we should be targeting. The one guy earlier had very valid commentary on him - much better than looking at some stats and deciding that he sucks. I would gladly do a 2nd for this guy - not sure NYR would take that though.

As for Motte yeah he's a nice guy to have - I just feel he has durability concerns.

Trading Hoglander for him is not buying low lmao.

If I was the Canucks, i'd be after Brett Berard over Kravtsov.

Maybe something like Zac Jones, Brett Berard and a 2nd for Miller?

Wtf is this??

A big skilled young winger is exactly what we need. Buying low on a guy like Kravstov would be a very good gamble.

I'm fine with buying low on him. Hoglander is not buying low though. That's buying for double the price, and basically a continuation of what has happened for the last 8 years under Benning.

 

[VancouverJagger]

LMAO

A lot of different ways I could reply to this. EP is untouchable according to Canucks management, I will leave it at that.

A rangers fan saying this is rich though.

I wouldn't.

A kravtsov-Hogdlander deal just doesn't work for the Canucks. It would have to be Schneider+

Really bad for the Canucks. This basis doesn't work.

What rumours?


Trading Hoglander for him is not buying low lmao.

Wtf is this??

I'm fine with buying low on him. Hoglander is not buying low though. That's buying for double the price, and basically a continuation of what has happened for the last 8 years under Benning.

Who said I wanted to trade Hoglander for him - someone asked about a trade with that framework. No way would i endorse this.

I would however endorse trying to buy low on this guy with other assets - he's worth a 2nd or 3rd imo - a 3rd and I'd do this deal immediately.

They would be looking for roster players thou to help them with their run - not sure if we could get away with any combo of Motte, Burroughs , Schenn etc. but one of our fringe players would be nice unless he's part of a larger package.

 

[Synergy27]

Kravtsov has done nothing to decrease his stock. His performance in the KHL since being drafted is right on par with every other highly touted teenager in similar situations.

The only reason this is even a question is because the kid chose to not take his medicine and spend some time in the A like a good boy. By all accounts, well most accounts because no topic can garner 100% agreement, he should have made the Rangers out of camp based on pure performance. He didn’t because:

1. He got injured.
2. He’s not the player type envisioned for the role he would have been in on day one.

The Rangers have absolutely no incentive to “sell low” on this kid. They need scoring RW help as bad as any team in the league and have the luxury of having a high end prospect waiting in the wings. There is zero reason for the two parties to not kiss and makeup, and if for some reason that’s not possible, the Rangers won’t be selling him for pennies on the dollar.

 

[Canuck86]

Thats the difference. On Vancouver, Miller is a 1st Liner, on NYR he is not.

JT could play 1st line on any NHL team. He can play all 3 forward positions which is a great bonus. The luxury of having a player like JT is he can play 1st line, 2nd line or 3rd line if you so choose to not take Strome of line 2.

To flat out say he is NOT a 1st liner is unfair considering what he has done over the past 2.5 seasons production wise since joining the Canucks. Is he in the top 90 players in production since he joined Vancouver, without wasting my time to look it up I can say quite confidently that he is for sure in the top 50...meaning he can easily be placed on ANY teams 1st line and NOT look out of place.

 

[5cotland]

JT could play 1st line on any NHL team. He can play all 3 forward positions which is a great bonus. The luxury of having a player like JT is he can play 1st line, 2nd line or 3rd line if you so choose to not take Strome of line 2.

To flat out say he is NOT a 1st liner is unfair considering what he has done over the past 2.5 seasons production wise since joining the Canucks. Is he in the top 90 players in production since he joined Vancouver, without wasting my time to look it up I can say quite confidently that he is for sure in the top 50...meaning he can easily be placed on ANY teams 1st line and NOT look out of place.

Maybe I was too harsh. I may have been too abrupt and no actually said what I meant to say.

I was aiming more towards NYR would utilise him in a 3rd line center role or 2nd line at RW. My mindset was more that NYR should not pay a hefty price of 3x 1st or equivalent too, just to have him play on the middle 6.

He's better than Strome but Gallant wouldnt move Strome away from Panarin due to their chemistry.

I think it would be hard to justify paying the ask if he is not going to be on the top line.

 

[Lawzy]

JT could play 1st line on any NHL team. He can play all 3 forward positions which is a great bonus. The luxury of having a player like JT is he can play 1st line, 2nd line or 3rd line if you so choose to not take Strome of line 2.

To flat out say he is NOT a 1st liner is unfair considering what he has done over the past 2.5 seasons production wise since joining the Canucks. Is he in the top 90 players in production since he joined Vancouver, without wasting my time to look it up I can say quite confidently that he is for sure in the top 50...meaning he can easily be placed on ANY teams 1st line and NOT look out of place.

I'm bored so... he's 16th in the NHL in scoring since joining the Canucks.

Also I resent you saying that was a waste of time to look up

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Kravstov got picked in the first round so did Lundqvist and Van wants this years first, that`s 3 firsts in my estimation.

Oil Juolevi worth a first? How about Jake Virtanen? Guess what? Just because a guy was drafted first round does not mean he’s worth a first even a year later if he’s not developing/tracking well.

 

[Jojalu]

So a late first, a Russian almost bust who could very well run back to Moscow and a prospect who isn't bad, but doesn't have the skillset we lack and are looking for... for our PPG starplayer who plays multiple positions signed to a ridiculously low contract for another year

What do you think?

It'a always going to be a late first. What team in the lottery is trading for Miller?

I know Van fans are hoping for a young RHD, but the reality is they have a lot of holes and need as much talent as possible in the system.

That is a pretty fair deal. 3 1rst round picks.