Friedman: Canucks give Brock Boeser's agent the permission to speak with other teams

[Peter Griffin]

Isn’t the cap expected to go up by as much as $5M this offseason? I can definitely see some teams being interested in taking a gamble on Boeser given his age and ability but Vancouver will have to take back an equivalent amount of salary for this season.

 

[McSuper]

It’s the Canucks…. They are f***ing clueless and I’m a fan

As an Oiler fan I get this. Some GM and coaches don't have a clue. It sucks as you guys have some nice pieces to build around.

 

[Nuckler]

After reading something about dumba being done in Minny I've wondered if a straight swap for boeser would work. He's ufa after this season so it clears money for the Canucks, Minny gets a young forward who needs a change of scenery.

 

[Huffer]

Boeser > Appleton, AJF, Barron, Gagne, Eyssimont.

An additional injury to our top 6 and we’re bleeped.

But not at 6.65 million plus the acquisition cost better IMO. Plus whatever that impacts to our possible signings going forward.

 

[Haatley]

As an Oiler fan I get this. Some GM and coaches don't have a clue. It sucks as you guys have some nice pieces to build around.

Oiler management is the king of not having a clue. Without McDavid and Drai they are an AHL team.

 

[Nucklehead Supreme]

As an Oiler fan I get this. Some GM and coaches don't have a clue. It sucks as you guys have some nice pieces to build around.

With us it seems to be more about ownership than GM or coaches.

 

[Bazeek]

After reading something about dumba being done in Minny I've wondered if a straight swap for boeser would work. He's ufa after this season so it clears money for the Canucks, Minny gets a young forward who needs a change of scenery.

I don't think Minnesota's going to be keen on swapping an expiring $6m for a larger contract with 2.5 years on it. They don't really have the flexibility to be taking on commitments like that.

 

[BKarchitect]

After reading something about dumba being done in Minny I've wondered if a straight swap for boeser would work. He's ufa after this season so it clears money for the Canucks, Minny gets a young forward who needs a change of scenery.

A Wild fan can double check my numbers but….

The Wild need to clear cap more than the Canucks. The Wild have 13 players under contract next year and are already at $68 million even without Dumba being resigned with all that dead cap. Meaning even with the cap going up they have $15.5 million to round out a roster with 10 more guys. There’s no way they can devote over a third of that on Boeser. The Canucks would need to heavily retain or the Wild would have to be allowed to send some multi-year salary back to Vancouver for this to work.

Dumba being lost for potentially nothing isn’t ideal but it’s a lot better for the team’s flexibility moving forward than investing that right back into 2 more years of Brock Boeser.

 

[Warh1ppy]

For sure if Vancouver is also taking back a woeful contract like Tyler Johnson. Boeser doesn’t have close to the league’s worst contract. There are many worse contracts than his. Most teams have one or more that are worse.

Tyler Johnson has a truly awful contract. Tampa’s GM did so well to fleece Chicago on that trade.

So to summarize your own statements.

When you said he's not worth more than a 7th for pure futures. But then suggested he's worth taking a smaller contract with a shorter expiry date and a 3rd what you meant to say is.....?

What exactly are you trying to say because it's literally two different things

 

[TBF1972]

So to summarize your own statements.

When you said he's not worth more than a 7th for pure futures. But then suggested he's worth taking a smaller contract with a shorter expiry date and a 3rd what you meant to say is.....?

What exactly are you trying to say because it's literally two different things

just embrace the idea of negative value assets.

 

[EP to Kuzmenko]

A Wild fan can double check my numbers but….

The Wild need to clear cap more than the Canucks. The Wild have 13 players under contract next year and are already at $68 million even without Dumba being resigned with all that dead cap. Meaning even with the cap going up they have $15.5 million to round out a roster with 10 more guys. There’s no way they can devote over a third of that on Boeser. The Canucks would need to heavily retain or the Wild would have to be allowed to send some multi-year salary back to Vancouver for this to work.

Dumba being lost for potentially nothing isn’t ideal but it’s a lot better for the team’s flexibility moving forward than investing that right back into 2 more years of Brock Boeser.

67m used up for next season. with cap expected to go up 4-5m they will have around 20m to play with.

8 forwards, 1 goalie, 5 defensemen on contract for 14 players. They need to resign Boldy and it will be a bridge deal. Maybe 5m? 2 or 3 years. so they have 15ish m for 3-4 forwards 2-3 defensemen and 1 goalie. It will be tight, and ya... they can't really afford Boeser next season.

just embrace the idea of negative value assets.

Boeser isn't negative value by any means. He just doesn't have the value he had last TDL or before he signed his extension.

 

[Slats432]

Haha


Seek your own trade brings those type of offers

So you are saying that the quality management in Vancouver knows what they are doing?

 

[Jay26]

It feels like there's been "rift" talk about the Canucks locker room off and on going all the way back to when the Sedins were still here in their finals years. It's been pinned on all sorts of different guys over the years, with all manner of different imagined "battle lines" drawn speculatively by the fans. Young guys vs Old. Bo vs Pettersson. Miller vs Bo. Everyone vs Virtanen. Upset over Tanev and Markstrom not being re-signed. Sutter vs Pettersson and Hughes. Gaudette vs his Wife's face. Hamonic vs the Vaccine. Garland has a toxic attitude. Edler vs Coach Green. Juolevi's laziness drawing everyone's ire. Beagle and Eriksson freeloading. Gudbranson and the cool kids was in there somewhere. Ughhhh...i'm probably missing a dozen more speculative conflicts and rifts.

Alleged culprits come and go, the perceived rifts shift constantly in the minds of fans and media, and we never really get any concrete evidence of exactly what's going on. Nor does management ever seem to do anything that "resolves" the apparently perpetual conflict amongst the team in fan's eyes.

But yeah...we really just don't have a clue. It's not even clear that their are these perceived deep divisions among the team. The one constant through all these years and different players and alleged "rifts" though, has been a team that from the outside at least...certainly seems very emotionally "volatile". Prone to some kind of weird bipolar sort of motivation and quality of play. That leads fans and media to continue fanning the flames of speculation about what's really going on. But it's also entirely possible that it's all just fabricated melodrama.

Yep. Couldn't have said it any better.

 

[Double Dion]

It's pretty comical watching Canucks fans turning themselves inside out while their own insiders say the team is willing to take a shorter term cap dump and may have to add a sweetener.

Canucks fans will be shocked by how poor a return is on Boeser if he's moved. It could be worse than my offer of Lucic for Boeser and a 2nd.

They'll be pleasantly surprised at what Schenn will return though. It'll be a 2nd plus something small.

I'm only ever wrong on Rags trades. Somehow they traded Lundkvist for more than Buchnevich.

 

[IComeInPeace]

It's pretty comical watching Canucks fans turning themselves inside out while their own insiders say the team is willing to take a shorter term cap dump and may have to add a sweetener.

Canucks fans will be shocked by how poor a return is on Boeser if he's moved. It could be worse than my offer of Lucic for Boeser and a 2nd.

They'll be pleasantly surprised at what Schenn will return though. It'll be a 2nd plus something small.

I'm only ever wrong on Rags trades. Somehow they traded Lundkvist for more than Buchnevich.

There are more than a few Canucks fans that thought his contract was unmovable when it was signed, and he’d need to improve his level of play to make himself an asset that holds any significant trade value.

Sure there are Canucks fans that think he’s worth a considerable amount but those we’re also the same people that thought JT Miller was worth enough on his own to essentially start and end a rebuild overnight.

I think Drance yesterday said that Boeser won’t return anything near what Oliver Bjorkstrand (3rd and 4th round picks) returned.

Normally, when you have to give a players agent permission to seek a trade, the GM’s essentially saying ‘I can’t find much Interest in your player.’

 

[Double Dion]

There are more than a few Canucks fans that thought his contract was unmovable when it was signed, and he’d need to improve his level of play to make himself an asset that holds any significant trade value.

Sure there are Canucks fans that think he’s worth a considerable amount but those we’re also the same people that thought JT Miller was worth enough on his own to essentially start and end a rebuild overnight.

I think Drance yesterday said that Boeser won’t return anything near what Oliver Bjorkstrand (3rd and 4th round picks) returned.

Normally, when you have to give a players agent permission to seek a trade, the GM’s essentially saying ‘I can’t find much Interest in your player.’

Agreed. Especially on letting the agent seek a trade. Then you have every insider out there saying they would like a shorter term cap dump back. There is no talk at all of assets coming back. It's cap dumps and/or sweetners. Flames had to attach a 1st to a better all around player with 1 year left playing a more valuable position. Knights traded a guy who just scored at a 40 goal pace in back to back years and is a better defensive player for nothing and attached a mid tier prospect.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

It's pretty comical watching Canucks fans turning themselves inside out while their own insiders say the team is willing to take a shorter term cap dump and may have to add a sweetener.

Canucks fans will be shocked by how poor a return is on Boeser if he's moved. It could be worse than my offer of Lucic for Boeser and a 2nd.

They'll be pleasantly surprised at what Schenn will return though. It'll be a 2nd plus something small.

I'm only ever wrong on Rags trades. Somehow they traded Lundkvist for more than Buchnevich.

It probably won't be great but worse than Lucic and a 2nd? Nah he's a MUCH better player than that.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

Let the lowballs commence

I mean, he's in year 5 of "potentially" being a 50 goal scorer and now has a huge price tag and isn't scoring enough. What would you feel is fair for that?

Apparently 6 teams are interested so far.

 

[Double Dion]

It probably won't be great but worse than Lucic and a 2nd? Nah he's a MUCH better player than that.

Lucic is 1 year and 850K in real dollars. Also we would be getting the 2nd in my proposal. Not Vancouver. That's a great deal for Vancouver and the Flames overpaying. We sent out a 1st to get rid of Monahan. Monahan is a better all around player, plays C and make less money. Boeser has 3 YEARS left at 6.7. That's expensive to move. Look at what you guys gave up to move Marleau for 1 year at 5M.

 

[Honour Over Glory]

It probably won't be great but worse than Lucic and a 2nd? Nah he's a MUCH better player than that.

The cap situation matters. Context is key here. There's very few teams with cap space that can take the whole cap hit and give picks and prospects back vs teams that need to move cap back to make it work and the Canucks are Cap screwed themselves.

 

[AvStock]

I thought he was coming along? And aren’t the Nucks rooting for this guy?

Why does he want out?

Looks like players hate playing there. Only a matter of time until EP40 wants out too.

 

[Donuts]

lafreniere + nyr 1st

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Lucic is 1 year and 850K in real dollars. Also we would be getting the 2nd in my proposal. Not Vancouver. That's a great deal for Vancouver and the Flames overpaying. We sent out a 1st to get rid of Monahan. Monahan is a better all around player, plays C and make less money. Boeser has 3 YEARS left at 6.7. That's expensive to move. Look at what you guys gave up to move Marleau for 1 year at 5M.

People keep bringing that up, forgetting that the reason that happened is because they needed to sign Marner.

 

[Nona Di Giuseppe]

LMFAO Yeah 3 pending UFAs and a 2nd for Boeser, About as as Detroit giving up Bertuzzi+Veleno and a 1st and 2nd round pick for Boeser Yeah some one actually proposed that.

We get there’s some horrendous proposals, and awful takes. if you’re here to focus on them, you’re in for a wild ride. Or you can look at the sound discourse and move on? (I’m pretty sure I have the person you’re continuing to mention blocked, for example)

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

The cap situation matters. Context is key here. There's very few teams with cap space that can take the whole cap hit and give picks and prospects back vs teams that need to move cap back to make it work and the Canucks are Cap screwed themselves.

They can still do better than Lucic