Speculation: Canucks Elias Pettersson on the move? Nucks GM speaks out

[ToDavid]

My guess is Miller wants to win and wants Pettersson to play harder in the trenches but that's not really his game. I always respected Millers game on the ice but is he a true leader? Not sure about that part. Sometimes, the season just don't play out like you would expect and true character comes out. Or frustration... call it what you wish.

I don't doubt that it's coming from a place of competitiveness. The questions is whether or not he's capable of expressing it in a useful way.

In a sport where Miller's type of attitude is usually celebrated and anything else is generaly seen as weak or soft, for another player to tell him that he's going too far, he must really be going too far.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Did folks discuss Friedmann’s proposal of Cozens + Byram? What was the consensus?

I thought it made a lot of sense but was away from the forum when it was proposed so I didn’t see anything about it on here.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

I don't doubt that it's coming from a place of competitiveness. The questions is whether or not he's capable of expressing it in a useful way.

In a sport where Miller's type of attitude is usually celebrated and anything else is generaly seen as weak or soft, for another player to tell him that he's going too far, he must really be going too far.

Not to mention the fact that this dude is apparently so “intense” he needed to take time away from the team to pull himself together. People are shitting on EP… at the end of the day it wasn’t him that needed to leave the team…

 

[Luigi Lemieux]

What would the Flyers have to give to acquire EP?

Torts would eat him alive. Tocchet learned from Sullivan who learned from Torts. Same type of coach. If he's struggling under Tocchet he'll get benched under Torts.

 

[Bouboumaster]

What team are about to blow it all up?

Islanders?

To Montréal:
Petterson

To Vancouver:
Barzal
Small add from either Montréal or Islanders (prospect?)

To Islanders:
Montréal 2025 1st
Calgary conditional 2025 1st
Logan Mailloux

Montréal get Petterson and officially end their rebuild
Vancouver is down with the drama and replace a center with another center, who is still young
Islanders kick start their rebuild with solid pieces - Logan Mailloux is a physical (and mean AF) RHD offensive defenseman. He's one year away of being ready.

Who say no?

 

[impaaaaaact]

What team are about to blow it all up?

Islanders?

To Montréal:
Petterson

To Vancouver:
Barzal
Small add from either Montréal or Islanders (prospect?)

To Islanders:
Montréal 2025 1st
Calgary conditional 2025 1st
Logan Mailloux

Montréal get Petterson and officially end their rebuild
Vancouver is down with the drama and replace a center with another center, who is still young
Islanders kick start their rebuild with solid pieces - Logan Mailloux is a physical (and mean AF) RHD offensive defenseman. He's one year away of being ready.

Who say no?

The Islanders. They’ll get picks for Nelson and Palmieri. No reason to deal Barzal without getting a roster player

 

[Bouboumaster]

The Islanders. They’ll get picks for Nelson and Palmieri. No reason to deal Barzal without getting a roster player

It's in the event Lou decided that he might as well go full rebuild

 

[Just Linda]

What team are about to blow it all up?

Islanders?

To Montréal:
Petterson

To Vancouver:
Barzal
Small add from either Montréal or Islanders (prospect?)

To Islanders:
Montréal 2025 1st
Calgary conditional 2025 1st
Logan Mailloux

Montréal get Petterson and officially end their rebuild
Vancouver is down with the drama and replace a center with another center, who is still young
Islanders kick start their rebuild with solid pieces - Logan Mailloux is a physical (and mean AF) RHD offensive defenseman. He's one year away of being ready.

Who say no?

I'd rather get Barzal than EP. He's a better fit IMO and makes a lot less.

Also, the thought of Miller playing with Barzal would be hilarious. Miller would hate Barzal.

 

[Habs Halifax]

The Islanders. They’ll get picks for Nelson and Palmieri. No reason to deal Barzal without getting a roster player

From the Habs perspective, I'd be willing to go Dach, Newhook, and both our 1st rounders (Habs and Flames/Panthers 1st). Two young NHL players and two picks probably from 10-20 range. And yes, trade happens after the draft lottery. I'd even add Matheson and Kapanen to the mix.

My revision to that 3 way deal: Not going to happen but fun to talk about

Habs acquire:
* Pettersson

Canucks acquire:
* Barzal
* Matheson
* O Kapanen
* Islanders 2nd rounder

Islanders acquire:
* Dach
* Newhook
* Habs 1st (likely 10-15 range)
* Flames/Panthers 1st (likely 10-20 range)

 

[impaaaaaact]

It's in the event Lou decided that he might as well go full rebuild

If Barzal gets traded it’ll be with straight up or with a small plus for EP, no reason to involve MTL at all. Barzal is from Vancouver and conceivably would waive to go there

 

[impaaaaaact]

It's in the event Lou decided that he might as well go full rebuild

If Barzal gets traded it’ll be with a small plus for EP, no reason to involve

From the Habs perspective, I'd be willing to go Dach, Newhook, and both our 1st rounders (Habs and Flames/Panthers 1st). Two young NHL players and two picks probably from 10-20 range. And yes, trade happens after the draft lottery. I'd even add Matheson and Kapanen to the mix.

My revision to that 3 way deal:

Habs acquire:
* Pettersson

Canucks acquire:
* Barzal
* Matheson
* O Kapanen

Islanders acquire:
* Dach
* Newhook
* Habs 1st (likely 10-15 range)
* Flames/Panthers 1st (likely 10-20 range)

Isles are not a landing spot for all of MTLs misfit toys. MTL isn’t giving up 6 assets for Petterson.

If the isles blow it up there are about 7 players they’d trade before Barzal

 

[Habs Halifax]

If Barzal gets traded it’ll be with a small plus for EP, no reason to involve

Isles are not a landing spot for all of MTLs misfit toys. MTL isn’t giving up 6 assets for Petterson.

If the isles blow it up there are about 7 players they’d trade before Barzal

Dach and Newhook are not misfit toys. They are young players not in their prime yet. Probably not at the level you want them to be at but there are some serious futures the Habs are adding which you just brushed under the rug. If that is your approach, talk to someone else.

99.9% of the trade ideas you see on these boards don't happen. Chill out, it's cheap talk clearly

 

[Snuggs]

Red Wings get: F Elias Pettersson
Sabers get: F Marco Kasper*prospect, LHD Albert Johansson*prospect, F Vladimir Tarasenko*cap-dump, Red Wings 1st round pick in 2025.
Canucks get: F Dylan Cozens and G Cam Talbot.

Fleece'em Stevie! C'mon... I'm looking EVERYDAY for the Red Wings to pounce, there's a real chance at a 100 point player!

 

[impaaaaaact]

Dach and Newhook are not misfit toys. They are young players not in their prime yet. Probably not at the level you want them to be at but there are some serious futures the Habs are adding which you just brushed under the rug. If that is your approach, talk to someone else.

99.9% of the trade ideas you see on these boards don't happen. Chill out, it's cheap talk clearly

0% worked up dude lmao it’s just a bad offer

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

What team are about to blow it all up?

Islanders?

To Montréal:
Petterson

To Vancouver:
Barzal
Small add from either Montréal or Islanders (prospect?)

To Islanders:
Montréal 2025 1st
Calgary conditional 2025 1st
Logan Mailloux

Montréal get Petterson and officially end their rebuild
Vancouver is down with the drama and replace a center with another center, who is still young
Islanders kick start their rebuild with solid pieces - Logan Mailloux is a physical (and mean AF) RHD offensive defenseman. He's one year away of being ready.

Who say no?

Everyone says no except the MTL, who get the best end of the deal by far.

At least try to be somewhat fair

 

[Habs Halifax]

Everyone says no except the MTL, who get the best end of the deal by far.

At least try to be somewhat fair

Habs 1st (8-15 range) and Flames/Panthers 1st (10-20 range) are serious adds on their own bud. You have Dach, Newhook, and Matheson blinders on and I doubt you know much about Kapanen.

That offer is very fair but not the 1/1 type. I can take a no answer but the unfair part is just not accurate. You're guilty of using the Halak, ++ narrative and it don't fit in this case.

 

[Habs Halifax]

0% worked up dude lmao it’s just a bad offer

Nah, not a bad offer. Habs can offer something without the Islanders then.

* Habs 1st (8-15 range)
* Flames/Panthers 1st (10-20 range)
* Dach, Newhook, Matheson. 3 quality NHL pieces the Canucks can use no doubt. Helps their center depth and also adds a D man they are looking for.

If the Canucks prefer Barzal (hometown boy) and a "small add", all the power to them. I suspect they ask for your 1st or something much larger than a small add.

 

[Bouboumaster]

Everyone says no except the MTL, who get the best end of the deal by far.

At least try to be somewhat fair

It's not a bad Trade IMO, and it could be worked around a bit maybe

Vancouver ain't going to get McDavid for Pettersson, quit dreaming
Barzal is one of the few good centers that could be available

 

[JKG33]

Who says he can't take criticism? Babcock's idea of "criticising" Marner was humiliating him in front of his teammates. Not to say Miller is anywhere close to that bad, but the point is criticism can comes in many different forms.

Some people respond well to "tough love" while others shut down completely. A good leader knows how to balance that. If Miller can't, then he isn't the commander her thinks he is.

Using the comparison of Marner, who appears to be just as bitchmade as EP, overpaid, and just as useless in the playoffs, doesn't help your argument the way you think it does

I’d rather be with a guy who can keep a level head.

I'd rather be with the guy who has what it takes to win

 

[ToDavid]

I'd rather be with the guy who has what it takes to win

Well if one of them wins the cup we’ll find out who that is.

 

[JKG33]

Well if one of them wins the cup we’ll find out who that is.

Miller's been dominant in the playoffs. EP looks like his numbers were pulled from a Leafs statbook. Anyone with a brain knows which one is a better winner

 

[impaaaaaact]

Nah, not a bad offer. Habs can offer something without the Islanders then.

* Habs 1st (8-15 range)
* Flames/Panthers 1st (10-20 range)
* Dach, Newhook, Matheson. 3 quality NHL pieces the Canucks can use no doubt. Helps their center depth and also adds a D man they are looking for.

If the Canucks prefer Barzal (hometown boy) and a "small add", all the power to them. I suspect they ask for your 1st or something much larger than a small add.

Oh ok everyone is wrong and you are right

 

[Habs Halifax]

Oh ok everyone is wrong and you are right

Nope. I just don't agree with your "misfits" narrative when you completely ignored two 1st rounders (8-15 and 10-20). .

Dach, Newhook, and Matheson are not "misfits". And when you add two 1st rounders on that, it's not the type of offer you pretended it to be.

I'll let you plan the spin game. Have a nice day

 

[impaaaaaact]

Nope. I just don't agree with your "misfits" narrative when you completely ignored two 1st rounders (8-15 and 10-20). .

Dach, Newhook, and Matheson are not "misfits". And when you add two 1st rounders on that, it's not the type of offer you pretended it to be.

You’re offering handful of magic beans to a team trying to win a cup. It doesn’t make sense

 

[Habs Halifax]

You’re offering futures to a team trying to win a cup. It doesn’t make sense

I changed it bud and you already replied to the offer direct to the Canucks. Did you miss that part? Dach, Newhook, Matheson help keep the Cancuks competitive while they get two serious 1st rounders on top. Sorry, this is not some small offer but keep trying.

Habs don't need the Islanders to make a competitive offer to the Canucks. If the Canucks like Barzal and want to use him as a full time center, that is their choice to make. All the Habs can do is make an offer and the one I posted is not garbage or a misfit offer. That's my line of defense in our conversation in case you didn't notice.

Dach, Newhook, Matheson, Two 1st rounders (8-15 and 10-20) > Barzal and "small add"