Confirmed with Link: Canucks announce HC Rick Tocchet will Not Return

[dwarf]

What makes you think that?

Only proven coach that is desperate enough to come out here.

 

[GranvilleIsland]

Acquire all the players Tocchet wants and trot them out against him.

 

[iceburg]

Comparing draft picks across GMs is a little bit of a fools errand if you ask me. So much depends on where the team picks, the strength of the draft etc. That said, a simple analysis of picks outside of the top 10 (historically all top 10 players play at least 100 games with few exceptions) shows that Nonis did well based largely on that 2004 draft, Benning did ok based largely on the 2014 draft, and Gillis did the worst. But the difference is so small. Basically, by percentage of picks over 6-7 years Gillis picked 2 fewer players that went on to play more than 100 games. To say that that is franchise altering is a stretch, to be polite. One of those extra players is Jonah Gadjovich and Benning traded away two others...

Picks below top 10 to play more than 100 NHL games.

Nonis: 2004 (4), 2005 (1), 2006 (1), 2007(0)
Total: 6 of 23 (26%)

Gills: 2008(0), 2009(2), 2010(0), 2011(0), 2012(2), 2013(0)
Total picks: 4 of 35 (11%)

Benning: 2014(3), 2015(2), 2016(0), 2017(1), 2018(0), 2019(1), 2020(0)
Total picks: 7 of 40 (17%)

Alvin: 2021(0)*, 2022(2)*, 2023(1.5)*, 2024(0)*
Total: 3.5 of 24 (15%)
*projected - being conservative

 

[BWJM]

It’s going to be Woodcroft ain’t it.

 

[Ernie]

It’s going to be Woodcroft ain’t it.

why do people think this? If they want a guy who has coached in the NHL there are far better candidates, and he has no previous history with Tocchet as far as I can tell.

 

[rypper]

No way and this makes no sense. Why would Canucks fans (who paid enough attention to the draft to attend the draft) be shocked at the selection of Pods thinking he would be gone already. If Pods was the popular choice most would have crossed their fingers and cheered when he was selected. This was not the case. It's like if we selected Kopitar instead of Bourdon (RIP) and saying the initial fan reaction from GM Place would have been shock "because everyone expected him to be gone already."

Sorry you're right, what I experienced first hand is wrong.

 

[timw33]

Acquire all the players Tocchet wants and trot them out against him.

Yeah that's how we got bozo tree D men. Went great.

 

[F A N]

Sorry you're right, what I experienced first hand is wrong.

What you experienced doesn't mean it reflects reality or what "everyone" experienced. How do you know that "everyone expected him to be gone already" and that "Everyone was focused on the US hockey guys around our pick?" You don't and it makes no sense to me given the pre-draft discussions here and elsewhere.

 

[rypper]

What you experienced doesn't mean it reflects reality or what "everyone" experienced. How do you know that "everyone expected him to be gone already" and that "Everyone was focused on the US hockey guys around our pick?" You don't and it makes no sense to me given the pre-draft discussions here and elsewhere.

You're right I wasn't able to personally poll everyone in the arena, Vancouver, and the world.
I should have known that that's what you expected.

 

[F A N]

You're right I wasn't able to personally poll everyone in the arena, Vancouver, and the world.
I should have known that that's what you expected.

I expect a long time poster like you to be more informed and not mistake the initial shock from fans in reaction to the Canucks picking Pods as everyone being shocked that he was available.

 

[VanJack]

When was the last time any Canuck coach, actually received the offer of a contract extension which would have make him the highest coach in franchise history--and then turned it down?

Surely the answer has to be--well never. Canuck coaches hit the exits in two predictable ways. Either they get fired, or their contract doesn't get renewed.

It's actually quite amusing listening to all the conspiracy theories on why Tocchet is leaving town. They range from disillusionment with the Miller trade; a distaste for Elias Pettersson; to having advanced knowledge that Hughes was leaving.

The simple reality is, Tocchet is an East Coast guy pure and simple. Just watch. He'll get a better contract with the same term or even longer--probably from the Flyers. And I'm sure he had an under-the-table hand-shake agreement before he ever agreed to part ways with the Canucks.

Let's face it. The only other time Tocchet coached in the West was his stint with the Coyotes. And I can't believe that he looks back on that experience with any degree of fondness.

So Tocchet is going home......where he can keep more of his money with lower taxes and be closer to family and friends. That's really about all there is to it.

 

[Vector]

I expect a long time poster like you to be more informed and not mistake the initial shock from fans in reaction to the Canucks picking Pods as everyone being shocked that he was available.

Man...you've misread his initial post so bad that it's made you look like a complete jackass here.

 

[lawrence]

i'm glad hes not returning. Good f in riddance.

by game 49 last year, JT Miller had 57 points in 49 games.
by game 49 last year, Eliass Petterson had 62 points in 49 games. This factor had to do with, the Pettersson, Boeser JT Miller our lotto line.

of course after this Rich Tocchet never once touched this combo again, and of course Pettersson struggles to finish with a strong season, not even close. What a stubborn piece of shit, Tocchet thinks he can make it work with putting Petterson with grinders, f off, Rick. Glad you're gone.

 

[F A N]

Man...you've misread his initial post so bad that it's made you look like a complete jackass here.

How so? He said "There was shock when Podkolzin's name was called because everyone expected him to be gone already. Everyone was focused on the US hockey guys around our pick."

Were you shocked that we picked Podkolzin because you expected him to be gone and so you werent even thinking of him? Are you suggesting that the "shock" that was easily heard inside the stadium when the pick was announced was because "everyone expected him to be gone already" and so "everyone was focused on the US hockey guys?"

C'mmon, if Podkolzin was some sort of clearcut BPA who happened to drop in the draft, Canucks fans would be holding their breath hoping the Canucks select him and not "shocked" because they weren't even thinking of him.

Shock/Surprised that the Canucks picked him doesn't mean shock/surprised that he was still available to be picked.

 

[December5th]

How so? He said "There was shock when Podkolzin's name was called because everyone expected him to be gone already. Everyone was focused on the US hockey guys around our pick."

Were you shocked that we picked Podkolzin because you expected him to be gone and so you werent even thinking of him? Are you suggesting that the "shock" that was easily heard inside the stadium when the pick was announced was because "everyone expected him to be gone already" and so "everyone was focused on the US hockey guys?"

C'mmon, if Podkolzin was some sort of clearcut BPA who happened to drop in the draft, Canucks fans would be holding their breath hoping the Canucks select him and not "shocked" because they weren't even thinking of him.

Shockey/Surprise that the Canucks picked him doesn't mean shock/surprised that he was still available to be picked.

yeah the whole situation just seems absurd lol

 

[Canucks LB]

The fact Rick already had an interview (longshot or not) with Seattle shows the Family reasoning wanting to go out east is clearly as not important as originally stated.

Everybody would love to be close to their family and work a high paying job, that does not make the situation unique in any way.

If he takes the job in seattle, beside us, in the west, a few hours away, would be the biggest slap in the fact to this fanbase, org, and everybody involved, completely humiliating.

 

[beachcomber]

The fact Rick already had an interview (longshot or not) with Seattle shows the Family reasoning wanting to go out east is clearly as not important as originally stated.

Everybody would love to be close to their family and work a high paying job, that does not make the situation unique in any way.

If he takes the job in seattle, beside us, in the west, a few hours away, would be the biggest slap in the fact to this fanbase, org, and everybody involved, completely humiliating.

Vancouver has been a garbage franchise for years now. No surprise that he left.

 

[Bleach Clean]

While both Pettersson and Miller were shopped, I wonder if Miller's push to leave had anything to do with Tocchet souring on the Canucks?

Tocchet was a JT fan. I believe there was even a report that he charged JT with mentoring Pettersson? He was also deployed as the 1C, supplanting the more skilled Pettersson.

If such a player thinks the team is done, why does the coach continue to believe? Maybe that was the tipping point? It's not about money, the relationship with management, a bad owner etc...but the recognition of what JT saw here... And agreeing with it.

 

[racerjoe]

I am willing to have my mind changed, but hearing more of that really changes my outlook of Toc. You can't preach going into the battles and the tough like he does then run away. Thats if the rumours are true.

 

[Nucky]

Meet pressure with pressure?

Embrace the hard?

 

[alternate]

Yeah I'm now of the "f*** him" mindset. Have to wonder how his next locker room is going to take all his "loyalty to the crest" bullshit.

 

[rypper]

With all the drama and bullshit that made it's way into the media the last year or so, you can only imagine that tenfold landed on Tocchet's desk.

I don't blame him for being sick of it all and wanting a fresh start.

 

[credulous]

i don't really begrudge tocchet leaving for a better situation but he does bear a lot of responsibility for the state of the team. he was the head coach and the one that's expected to set the culture and make corrections as necessary. i think it's pretty clear he failed in that (whether it was possible to succeed is another question but i don't think it's really material). it's hard not to look badly on him for peacing out rather than trying to correct the situation

i do think the canucks will be better off with a new coaching group though. which is why i hope they go outside the org for a new coach. keep manny in abby if you want but foote, gonchar and svejkovsky should be let go also

 

[racerjoe]

With all the drama and bullshit that made it's way into the media the last year or so, you can only imagine that tenfold landed on Tocchet's desk.

I don't blame him for being sick of it all and wanting a fresh start.

As mentioned... part of it he created. that is part of the coaches job, then on top of that your motto can't be

Embrace the hard! Meet Pressure with Pressure

Then peace out yourself. That is doing the exact opposite of that.

 

[Soups On]

To each their own - people have their own personal needs for what they want from their careers. However, that does not make them immune to criticism.

If Tocchet doesn't go to an east conference team, then honestly, he can f*** off and good riddance. Meet pressure with pressure but only when convenient.