Post-Game Talk: Canucks 3 - Ducks 4 (SO) - Not Even Mad, Bo. #BeastBo'd

[Proto]

Yeah, it was rust for Sbisa. Uncharacteristic for him to look good but get walked like an AHL scrub a couple times. He never does that

You can see why he's tantalizing. If he ever grew into the thinking part of hockey -- as some d-men do entering their late 20's -- he'd have a shot at really being something. But man does he think the game poorly at this point. Yikes.

Great effort tonight though. No real complaints. That 4th line should be getting 10-12 minutes every night, too.

 

[kanucks25]

Yeah, it was rust for Sbisa. Uncharacteristic for him to look good but get walked like an AHL scrub a couple times. He never does that

You can see why he's tantalizing. If he ever grew into the thinking part of hockey -- as some d-men do entering their late 20's -- he'd have a shot at really being something. But man does he think the game poorly at this point. Yikes.

Great effort tonight though. No real complaints. That 4th line should be getting 10-12 minutes every night, too.

Sbisa definitely has his lol moments but he's been very serviceable for the most part. Surely has exceeded the expectations of this board.

Gotta love the effort:

- Back-to-back with travel
- Against a healthy top team
- Key forward in Burrows is a late scratch
- Played with 5 D-men for most of the night

Almost won it in OT and the shootout is a toss-up. Definitely would have been nice to get the 2 points against a divisional rival but considering the circumstances, we can be content with 1.

 

[tantalum]

Confuses me when I see people praise Sbisas play, he handles the puck like a live grenade every time he touches it, basically the booth of the blue line

What confuses me is when people don't recognize he has for the most part provided competent play this year. He isn't fantastic or a top pairing guy. But he also isn't a non-NHL player. He is what he is and after a tough first yesterday after being out of the lineup for a couple of weeks he settled down and played well.

 

[Ryp37]

What confuses me is when people don't recognize he has for the most part provided competent play this year. He isn't fantastic or a top pairing guy. But he also isn't a non-NHL player. He is what he is and after a tough first yesterday after being out of the lineup for a couple of weeks he settled down and played well.

so i cant criticize him because hes competent?

the guy cant get the puck out of his own zone to save his life , most frustrating thing to watch late in the third in a close game

 

[PRNuck]

Correct. You usually can't even feel it until your leg bends the wrong way. At least that's what happened to my dad.

Depends what you tore, if it was, say, a hamstring or a quad letting go, the muscle rolls up like a friggin' shutter, super painful, imagine the worst cramp ever.

 

[PRNuck]

Hopefully higgins injury is not serious. Perhaps we could get an update from his brother.

Um can we address this quote from your quotes:
"The Lord was concerned enough to follow him into the medical room."

 

[Reckage]

Next game:

Sedin Sedin Vrbata
Higgins Bonino Burrows
Matthias Horvat Kassian
Dorsett Richardson Hansen

In other words swap Horvat and Richy. (Didn't need to write all that...)

I like your idea here, just not sure this is the right timing.

Unlike those who pine for a Kassian move to the second line, I think Kassian should stay right where he is on the opposite side from Matthias. Watching him apply muscle seems to encourage Kassian to do the same.

Richardson isn't offensively gifted enough to take advantage of the opportunities his wingers are creating. This line is also being scored on too often. And, for some reason, Richardson often seems to be the one trying to catch up to a check.

Horvat could very well be able to spark more offence from Matthias and Kassian, while still providing good defence. I'm just concerned that it may be too soon for him to be making this jump. Next time there is a blowout, one way or the other, perhaps Desjardins could try a few shifts with this line to see what it looks like.

 

[WetcoastOrca]

What confuses me is when people don't recognize he has for the most part provided competent play this year. He isn't fantastic or a top pairing guy. But he also isn't a non-NHL player. He is what he is and after a tough first yesterday after being out of the lineup for a couple of weeks he settled down and played well.

Was at the game.
I thought Sbisa played really well.
Honestly at this point people are just nit picking.
If you watch any defenceman you'd see the same flaws.
Defensively, Edler and Tanev really stood out. Just so steady.
The other thing that I was surprised at watching live is just how good a skater Bieksa is. I'm not sure if he's been nursing an injury but he was really flying out there.

Forwards. Apart from the obvious guys, I was really impressed with Matthias. I don't know where this guy came from but he has taken his game to another level. He just oozes confidence right now. Big body and really drives the net.
His line had some adventures in their own end but he's looking like a guy we need to sign longer term.

The last guy I'll comment on is Bonino. Watching him live you really get to see what a smart player he is and how many little things he does well. Like penalty killing and backchecking. Makes up for his lack of speed by always being in the right place.

Ok, I lied. One more guy who impressed me was Dorsett. Willing to fight, made a great pass to Horvat and really hustles out there. A great pickup, IMO.

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

Getzlaf would have done the same thing to about 90% of the defensemen in the league on that goal. The first one was poor coverage by Weber more than anything.

 

[tantalum]

so i cant criticize him because hes competent?

the guy cant get the puck out of his own zone to save his life , most frustrating thing to watch late in the third in a close game

What I'm saying is that there is a heck of a lot of criticism for a guy who hasn't even remotely been the worst player on the blueline this season. His play has been fine. Players make mistakes. Even the best and they do so each and every night. Outside of one game (Colorado) his play hasn't really been deserving of the constant criticism.

But it was expected as people wrote him off before the trade call was even completed. The top 4 D-men for play this year have been Tanev, Edler, Sbisa and Hamhuis (and Hamhuis has been an equal disaster if he were looked at as critically). Bieksa and Stanton have been the biggest underperformers so far on the blueline (especially Bieksa). Well given expectations and ability Hamhuis I suppose as well.

Sbisa has performed WELL beyond the level those that wrote him off before playing a game expected...yet the criticism comes every single game. He has supplied a good 15+ minutes a game. Mistakes are made but overall he does make the blueline better when he's in the lineup compared to the other options. IMO it's time to stop looking at his game with a magnifying glass because he isn't near the top of the list of problems with the team at this time. 20 games into the season he has earned the right to have that spotlight removed from him. Of course, that can always change; I'm not naive.

Most of the issues getting the puck out of the zone last night (they had very few issues including the third) were typically winger errors.

 

[Ryp37]

What I'm saying is that there is a heck of a lot of criticism for a guy who hasn't even remotely been the worst player on the blueline this season. His play has been fine. Players make mistakes. Even the best and they do so each and every night. Outside of one game (Colorado) his play hasn't really been deserving of the constant criticism.

But it was expected as people wrote him off before the trade call was even completed. The top 4 D-men for play this year have been Tanev, Edler, Sbisa and Hamhuis (and Hamhuis has been an equal disaster if he were looked at as critically). Bieksa and Stanton have been the biggest underperformers so far on the blueline (especially Bieksa). Well given expectations and ability Hamhuis I suppose as well.

Sbisa has performed WELL beyond the level those that wrote him off before playing a game expected...yet the criticism comes every single game. He has supplied a good 15+ minutes a game. Mistakes are made but overall he does make the blueline better when he's in the lineup compared to the other options. IMO it's time to stop looking at his game with a magnifying glass because he isn't near the top of the list of problems with the team at this time. 20 games into the season he has earned the right to have that spotlight removed from him. Of course, that can always change; I'm not naive.

Most of the issues getting the puck out of the zone last night (they had very few issues including the third) were typically winger errors.

Im not looking at it through a magnifying glass,my problem is the errors he makes are all in really costly areas. Several times last night he flubbed passes or missed his target that lead to turnovers in the defensive zone, cant expect wingers to break out with bouncing off target passes

 

[kanucks25]

Getzlaf would have done the same thing to about 90% of the defensemen in the league on that goal. The first one was poor coverage by Weber more than anything.

Wouldn't go that far. Obviously a nice play by Getzlaf from start to finish but turning in general isn't exactly one of Sbisa's strengths.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

am i imagining things or are we more freaked out now, with a 13-6-1 record than we were last year at the same time, when we were 11-8-4 and winless in 5?

not to say concerns aren't legit concerns, just kinda odd is all.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

i requested it in last night's GDT but i still really am hoping someone makes a gif of weber's 780 on the first goal.

 

[tantalum]

Im not looking at it through a magnifying glass,my problem is the errors he makes are all in really costly areas. Several times last night he flubbed passes or missed his target that lead to turnovers in the defensive zone, cant expect wingers to break out with bouncing off target passes

When a D-man makes an error it's in a costly place. Goes with the position. It isn't something unique to Sbisa. He's not making that many errors. and if you looked at the other D-men on the team you'd see the same things and in some cases in much greater quantity. That's the point. The way Sbisa has been playing he has a spot on every blueline in the league.

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

am i imagining things or are we more freaked out now, with a 13-6-1 record than we were last year at the same time, when we were 11-8-4 and winless in 5?

not to say concerns aren't legit concerns, just kinda odd is all.

I expect far more from this team than I ever did last year.

I think that says it all at this point.

 

[kanucks25]

am i imagining things or are we more freaked out now, with a 13-6-1 record than we were last year at the same time, when we were 11-8-4 and winless in 5?

not to say concerns aren't legit concerns, just kinda odd is all.

People think we are scoring at an unsustainable rate while our goalies haven't been great. They expect scoring to die down and the lack of quality goaltending will eventually kill us.

I don't agree with any of it

 

[BobbyJazzLegs]

People think we are scoring at an unsustainable rate while our goalies haven't been great. They expect scoring to die down and the lack of quality goaltending will eventually kill us.

I don't agree with any of it

There will always be ebbs and flows. Hard to expect the goaltending to not improve. If it doesnt, well we may be in a spot of bother.

 

[Mr. Canucklehead]

Personally, I think the sub-par goaltending Miller has had in the last few games is an unsustainable quantity. He'll bounce back - ideally while this team is still capable of scoring.

 

[Diamonddog01]

I'm honestly starting to really like Dorsett, and starting to wonder if the third for Dorsett may have been worth it.

Also, Edler was a stud tonight, manhandled a couple of the bigger Duck forwards, played physical, and made good outlet passes. Tanev-Edler is a great pairing; definitely our best pairing so far this season.

It was absolutely worth it. As was the 2nd for Vey.

Glad the team is trying Vey on the 2nd line, I've wanted to see this for a bit now.

Also not sure what people are seeing in Weber. He's below Sbisa on the depth chart at the moment imo.

 

[Jimson Hogarth*]

What confuses me is when people don't recognize he has for the most part provided competent play this year. He isn't fantastic or a top pairing guy. But he also isn't a non-NHL player. He is what he is and after a tough first yesterday after being out of the lineup for a couple of weeks he settled down and played well.

But where does this fit on the Canucks blueline? Its one thing to say Sbisa has played competently, which he has to a certain degree. But how does he improve the Canucks blue line?

On another note I think Burrows has a better effect on the 2nd line than Vey. Vey needs to find a way to contribute when the Canucks don't have possession of the puck. Still I thought Vey looked better on the wing last night than he has at Center. This guy is definitely an NHL winger.

 

[Stonz]

But where does this fit on the Canucks blueline? Its one thing to say Sbisa has played competently, which he has to a certain degree. But how does he improve the Ca

On another note I think Burrows has a better effect on the 2nd line than Vey. Vey needs to find a way to contribute when the Canucks don't have possession of the puck. Still I thought Vey looked better on the wing last night than he has at Center. This guy is definitely an NHL winger.

Although its a small sample size, this seems to be true at least when it comes to Bonino.

@ThomasDrance: By CF% Bonino got rocked without Burrows on his wing tonight, which is actually consistent with what happened when 14 was suspended too.

 

[Zaddy91]

am i imagining things or are we more freaked out now, with a 13-6-1 record than we were last year at the same time, when we were 11-8-4 and winless in 5?

not to say concerns aren't legit concerns, just kinda odd is all.

Yea but this yr horvat kassian and matthias are all strong talented guys that realky hqve come to save e bot 9

vrbata is a given, and i trust miller over luongo but think hes still gonna cool off.

i predict we finish 5th in the west

 

[yapperface]

Yea but this yr horvat kassian and matthias are all strong talented guys that realky hqve come to save e bot 9

vrbata is a given, and i trust miller over luongo but think hes still gonna cool off.

i predict we finish 5th in the west

He can't get much colder. He's at .900

 

[Scurr]

But where does this fit on the Canucks blueline? Its one thing to say Sbisa has played competently, which he has to a certain degree. But how does he improve the Canucks blue line?

Depth. Look around the league... competent gets you in the top 4 on half the teams in the league. Just about every team is looking for a defenceman.

On another note I think Burrows has a better effect on the 2nd line than Vey. Vey needs to find a way to contribute when the Canucks don't have possession of the puck. Still I thought Vey looked better on the wing last night than he has at Center. This guy is definitely an NHL winger.

Yeah... Bonino needs Burrows to swim... and Burrows needs to play with a player like Bonino to produce in the top 6. Good thing we have both.