Post-Game Talk: Canucks 2, Flames 4: I </3 Cam Barker

[arsmaster*]

As a coach, it's AV's responsibility to have the pulse of the refs. He rarely does. It just so happened that in this game, this one attribute cost his team the win.

That fluke could have and did happen at EV strength, that isn't why we lost.

Watching that bumbling brit in net at the other end not look comfortable the whole game and not scoring more than 2 on him is why we lost.

I could care less about the travel, the delay, the bad bounce, the flubbed puck. This team is deficient at scoring goals. It's incredible.

They scored 4 last night, 4 nice ones. That's their allotment for the week I guess.

 

[Orca Smash]

Can't say I agree. This team is excellent on paper, especially the D.

Our D is imo, as long as were not putting barker in, but the coach seems to think hes above ballard.

 

[SnapIt]

Firing AV half-way through the season isn't the right move, IF we fire him, it's in the offseason.

Giving Bowness the job or bringing in another coach (even if it's Ruff) is not the right move, changing our style of play half-way through the season won't help us come playoff time.

I agree, AV needs to do a better job of getting the team going, but firing him when we're 3rd in the conference isn't right.

I don't really care whether or not we keep AV, but some of the reasoning behind keeping him is ludicrous.

1. Teams have gotten rid of coaches and had success soon after (Penguins, Kings)
2. Bowness would NEVER get a chance to coach. He would be identified as part of the issue in my opinion
3. Coaching changes do not necessarily imply a 180-style change. It can rejuvenate a team and particular players (Ballard? Kassian? Schroeder?)
4. We're 3rd in the conference because we're in the NW division. Calgary sucks, Edmonton sucks, Minnesota sucks (but they're picking it up), Colorado sucks

And to hit everyone's general point:
- We made the Stanley cup final because this team was as deep as its ever been.

 

[PG Canuck]

In general.

It's not even good on paper.

This is essentially the roster we went with to the SCF, how is it bad?

 

[Bleach Clean]

Or it could just be that the refs don't like the Canucks and decided to take it out on AV. Plenty of coaches/players get to spazz on the refs all they want and there's no penalty.

The Canucks haven't been able to get calls for a while now. Conspiracy or not, it's still on AV to manage the refs. He's got to know what's out of bounds and most importantly, when to cross that line.

He sees his Dmen getting hammered game in and game out, based on his stale system, and now he chooses to flip out? Get back to the drawing board AV, before you are unceremoniously removed from relevance.

 

[Crows*]

This is essentially the roster we went with to the SCF, how is it bad?

Better

 

[arsmaster*]

Can't say I agree. This team is excellent on paper, especially the D.

it's all tweeners, no meat.

 

[M A K A V E L I*]

Can't say I agree. This team is excellent on paper, especially the D.

There's 4.2M in solid D sitting up in the pressbox. This Ballard situation is ridiculous.

 

[Wizeman*]

The good

-Jordan Schroeder. The kid defended a 2 on 1 as good as any NHL defense man

- Mason Raymond and Hansen created all night.

- Alex Edler looks good with the 'A' on his sweater.

-Cam Barker. He made several good defensive plays, anticipated well, he had an assist. Not bad for a guy who hasnt played in a year and is on this 3rd team in one year and doesnt even know the system.

He cant skate worth a damn but he is definitely a 3rd pairing defense man . Good signing by AV

the ok

-Kassian looked good in spurts but then still looks confused. He will learn.

-Higgins. Same problem his whole career. He looks like a first liner then just DISAPPEARS into thin air like he wasnt in the line up.

-Sedins. Made some plays but also took stupid penalties and were lazy in back checking.

The bad

-Roberto Luongo, had his moments but no opponent respects him anymore. They all know he will give up a softie every night now. Gillis' biggest mistake of his career.

The ugly

-Jason Garrison . He looked lost and backward all night. He has not replaced Sami Salo and Gillis needs to get it through his head players on Florida look far better than they actually are when they get to Vancouver

- Our Coach AV. He is frustrated and is also confused. His team is no longer responding to him and every coach knows that when your team tunes you out, your head is on a chopping block.

His penalty was a cheap call, but it just magnified the coaching issue.

 

[Addison Rae]

Firing AV half-way through the season isn't the right move, IF we fire him, it's in the offseason.

Giving Bowness the job or bringing in another coach (even if it's Ruff) is not the right move, changing our style of play half-way through the season won't help us come playoff time.

I agree, AV needs to do a better job of getting the team going, but firing him when we're 3rd in the conference isn't right.

The mid season coaching change had such a negative impact on the Pens in 2009. This team is good no doubt, but we will never win a championship with A.V.

 

[y2kcanucks]

This is essentially the roster we went with to the SCF, how is it bad?

We're missing some key elements such as Ehrhoff's skating and ability to generate a rush out of his own zone, and Torres's toughness while being useful in the top 9. Tonight we finished with single digits in the hits department (8 vs. 16 for Calgary), and our defense was not useful at all in generating a rush. I saw no intensity and no urgency in our game tonight. I know part of that can be attributed to the travel, but when you think about it, a 60 minute flight really isn't that bad. It's as if they took the skytrain from King George to Waterfront.

 

[Tiranis]

It's on nobody but the coaching staff that they can't get the best out of the players that have done well elsewhere such as Ballard and Booth. Ballard came in here as a puck-rushing defenseman — that's his strength and that's how he plays. He's not a positional D that always makes a crisp first pass. AV needs to be flexible because he's not just working with X's and O's here but actual human beings who have weaknesses and strengths. Instead he treats them all as cogs in his big machine.

Now Ballard learns to play the AV way and he gets benched at the first sign of a mistake, while a guy like Lapierre gets promoted despite poor play.

 

[serge2k]

luongo gave up a suspect 1st goal, but he is not the main reason we lost.


Our defense is a mess, and its such a mess that your transition game sucks, which affects your offense.

And its doesn't help that most of the offense, only comes from the twins consistently (I think I've typed this over a few years now).


1 line offense, many top 4 dmen but not 1 elite dman, and 2 # 1 goalies.

Thats not the best way to build a championship team, imo

Except that the team really shouldn't have a 1 line offense. They have solid forward depth, even with Kesler out.

Funny you bring this up when the depth guys had 2 goals tonight.


The team would have a cup if not for injuries.

 

[David71]

stop using the same excuse he took us to game 7 of the finals. he gets outcoached he's lost the room. fire his ass

 

[luongo321]

We're missing some key elements such as Ehrhoff's skating and ability to generate a rush out of his own zone, and Torres's toughness while being useful in the top 9. Tonight we finished with single digits in the hits department (8 vs. 16 for Calgary), and our defense was not useful at all in generating a rush. I saw no intensity and no urgency in our game tonight. I know part of that can be attributed to the travel, but when you think about it, a 60 minute flight really isn't that bad. It's as if they took the skytrain from King George to Waterfront.

We also don't have Salo. I still remember those 2 power play goals he cranked by San Jose in the conference finals, Kesler too. Man, that was a sick few minutes of power play.

 

[Grumbler]

I disagree completely. Not sure what you expect out of Luongo though. Should he have gone up and tried to score? Maybe assist Barker with his gap control? Maybe move Garrison so he doesn't deflect the puck into his own net? Maybe go on the bench so AV doesn't yap at the officials (not vilifying AV for this btw). What should he have done?

1. You can blame the D and the forwards and say they played bad, etc, but the fact is they OUTPLAYED their opposition.

2. Luongo wasn't good enough for the team to win Despite They Outplayed their opposition.

3. What do I expect out of Luongo? Don't get badly outplayed by a rookie goaltender at the other end.

End of story.

 

[Tiranis]

-Jason Garrison . He looked lost and backward all night. He has not replaced Sami Salo and Gillis needs to get it through his head players on Florida look far better than they actually are when they get to Vancouver

What were you even watching? Garrison was the best D on the ice by a country mile. Bailed out Hamhuis over and over and over and over. Guy is a beast along the boards and in front of the net. Playing on his off-side too which makes it even more difficult on him.

 

[Bleach Clean]

That fluke could have and did happen at EV strength, that isn't why we lost.

Watching that bumbling brit in net at the other end not look comfortable the whole game and not scoring more than 2 on him is why we lost.

I could care less about the travel, the delay, the bad bounce, the flubbed puck. This team is deficient at scoring goals. It's incredible.

They scored 4 last night, 4 nice ones. That's their allotment for the week I guess.

On tonight, I agree, they missed their chances.

On the whole, completely disagree. This team has more than enough depth to be able to score. It's just that the system doesn't facilitate offense, it never has.

The Sedins are this team's offense... With 3 other 20 goal scorers spread throughout the line-up. Kesler on the 2nd line. Two other skilled players in Schroeder and Kassian. All of them look lost, why?

 

[serge2k]

it's all tweeners, no meat.

Do people really think that other teams have rosters of all 70 point second liners?

Newsflash, a guy like Raymond (20-25 goals, 45-55 points) really is a second line player.He's showing he can be that guy again.

Kesler at 70 points would have been the top centerman on more than a few teams.

 

[y2kcanucks]

1. You can blame the D and the forwards and say they played bad, etc, but the fact is they OUTPLAYED their opposition.

2. Luongo wasn't good enough for the team to win Despite They Outplayed their opposition.

3. What do I expect out of Luongo? Don't get badly outplayed by a rookie goaltender at the other end.

End of story.

1. I strongly disagree that our forwards and defensemen outplayed the opposition, defensemen in particular. Our defense was absolutely atrocious tonight.

2. Actually yes, Luongo was good enough for the Canucks to win. I don't understand how you come to that conclusion.

3. How was he badly outplayed by a rookie goaltender? Did Taylor stop 50 shots while Luongo only 10?

 

[arsmaster*]

What were you even watching? Garrison was the best D on the ice by a country mile. Bailed out Hamhuis over and over and over and over. Guy is a beast along the boards and in front of the net.

No doubt. I saw it that way too.

 

[PG Canuck]

We're missing some key elements such as Ehrhoff's skating and ability to generate a rush out of his own zone, and Torres's toughness while being useful in the top 9. Tonight we finished with single digits in the hits department (8 vs. 16 for Calgary), and our defense was not useful at all in generating a rush. I saw no intensity and no urgency in our game tonight. I know part of that can be attributed to the travel, but when you think about it, a 60 minute flight really isn't that bad. It's as if they took the skytrain from King George to Waterfront.

We miss Ehrhoff sure, but we're fine without Torres. This team can be better then the one that went to the SCF IMO, just with a different coaching staff. The system we play is too predictable now.

 

[Bleach Clean]

What were you even watching? Garrison was the best D on the ice by a country mile. Bailed out Hamhuis over and over and over and over. Guy is a beast along the boards and in front of the net. Playing on his off-side too which makes it even more difficult on him.

I've all but given up trying to defend him. If people can't see it, no need keep pointing it out to them.

 

[ahmon]

We're missing some key elements such as Ehrhoff's skating and ability to generate a rush out of his own zone, and Torres's toughness while being useful in the top 9. Tonight we finished with single digits in the hits department (8 vs. 16 for Calgary), and our defense was not useful at all in generating a rush. I saw no intensity and no urgency in our game tonight. I know part of that can be attributed to the travel, but when you think about it, a 60 minute flight really isn't that bad. It's as if they took the skytrain from King George to Waterfront.

Ehrhoff pushed the pace of the game and was our best puck rusher by a mile.

Torres was strong on the forecheck, that 3rd line in the playoffs, created a lot of momentum by hitting, spending time in the offensive zone.

Don't forget Salo, Salo was a stabilizing player on the defense, and his point shot on the PP was lethal. Absolutely another weapon we lost.

 

[pahlsson]

I am a leafs fan because I want AV to say he made a mistake?.

I do enjoy the leafs tho, have for awhile now lol

your user title says "canucks + leafs fan"