Post-Game Talk: Canucks 2 @ Coyotes 1 | Quietest GDT of the year?

[TheWolf*]

I never said that, stop putting words in my mouth. I suggested that they've provided 1st line results and aren't the problem in the playoffs, counting stats along with advanced stats back that up.

All I am saying it's odd that large statistical analyses are required to try and convince everyone that the Sedins are good playoff players.

Part of me thinks that if a player is good in the playoffs, we will like....notice it by watching him play.

 

[Ozone]

He was the captain of a team that went to game 7 of the finals, he did not "captain" it the way you put it.

You can mock people for crushing on beastmode Kesler - but this is the sort of player that helps a team win in the playoffs.

Kesler took over that series ON HIS BACK. Incredible heart.

 

[CanaFan]

Happy for Virtanen.

Hate the result.

Had horseshoes up the *** in this game. Lucky we're heading home again where this team seems to sleepwalk through games.

 

[Ozone]

Back to the game...

 

[Scorvat]

The Sedins are not clutch playoff performers. They have put up points by virtue of the fact that they play on the 1st line and 1st PP unit for what has been, good teams. I don't remember many games or series where the Sedins were the reasons the team won.

People talk about the Kesler series against Nashville as an example of a player ramping up his game in the playoffs. Kesler was the same amped up player in the 2010 Olympics. Linden, Bure & Co routinely had performances like Kesler in playoff series.

I love the Sedins, but they just don't have the ability to take over like these other players do.

(With that, I have said my peace. I am sure Mr. and Mrs. Mod don't want this thread turning into a Sedin Playoff thread).

And Kesler never repeated what he did against Nashville on the Canucks (besides one period against the Sharks) and has been worse then the Sedins in every other playoff series they played. Was one of the worst players on team in 2012 and 2013 (besides the third period) when we could have used him.

And as much as I love Bure and Linden they haven't lead us consistently into the playoffs as much as the Sedins have. Linden only really had a good 3 years in the playoffs

 

[Addison Rae]

Jay was absolutely right in his post.

There is nothing wrong with defending '4th gear'. Just realize what we are saying with the '5 gear'.

And Ryan Kesler has the 5th gear because he bangs boards and puts on mighty game face? It's just ridiculous to defend Kesler in the post season and then turn around and put blame on the Sedins, when the Sedins have been much better.

He was the captain of a team that went to game 7 of the finals, he did not "captain" it the way you put it.

You can mock people for crushing on beastmode Kesler - but this is the sort of player that helps a team win in the playoffs.

You're arguing over semantics, he finished 2nd in the league in playoff points, 3rd in possession stats for players who played over 10 games and was the captain of a team that went to game 7 of the finals. I find it hilarious that you call Kesler a player you win with, what exactly has Ryan Kesler won in his career? Henrik Sedin sure as hell has won more both in terms of team accomplishments and individual accomplishments.

 

[TheWolf*]

Kesler took over that series ON HIS BACK. Incredible heart.

I am not saying that he was exceptional in every playoff series or even every playoff....but there were times he was able to ramp up his game and take it over. I saw this again last year when the Ducks were in the playoffs. When he is on the ice, you notice it.

I can remember a lot of Canuck games where the Canucks badly needed offense and the ARt Ross Twins were no where to be found.

 

[Addison Rae]

All I am saying it's odd that large statistical analyses are required to try and convince everyone that the Sedins are good playoff players.

Part of me thinks that if a player is good in the playoffs, we will like....notice it by watching him play.

The human eye is biased, we see things that we want to see. Again, 58 points in 62 games is good 1st line results, especially when you consider they've matched up against Drew Doughty 2x, Duncan Keith x3, Shea Weber, Zdeno Chara, Marc-Edouard Vlasic etc

 

[Nomobo]

No one's telling you to not cheer for them, cheer all you want I have absolutely zero issues with it. But this idea of "anything can happen in the playoffs" is garbage.

To each his own, I'm going with the faint hope clause.

 

[TheWolf*]

And Ryan Kesler has the 5th gear because he bangs boards and puts on mighty game face? It's just ridiculous to defend Kesler in the post season and then turn around and put blame on the Sedins, when the Sedins have been much better.



You're arguing over semantics, he finished 2nd in the league in playoff points, 3rd in possession stats for players who played over 10 games and was the captain of a team that went to game 7 of the finals. I find it hilarious that you call Kesler a player you win with, what exactly has Ryan Kesler won in his career? Henrik Sedin sure as hell has won more both in terms of team accomplishments and individual accomplishments.

Well, we disagree.

 

[Addison Rae]

From 08/09 to 12/13 Ryan "beast mode" Kesler scored 12 playoff goals in 51 games for the Canucks, it's absolutely ridiculous to suggest that he was a fantastic playoff performer while the Sedins were bad.

 

[Ozone]

And Ryan Kesler has the 5th gear because he bangs boards and puts on mighty game face? It's just ridiculous to defend Kesler in the post season and then turn around and put blame on the Sedins, when the Sedins have been much better.



You're arguing over semantics, he finished 2nd in the league in playoff points, 3rd in possession stats for players who played over 10 games and was the captain of a team that went to game 7 of the finals. I find it hilarious that you call Kesler a player you win with, what exactly has Ryan Kesler won in his career? Henrik Sedin sure as hell has won more both in terms of team accomplishments and individual accomplishments.

Don't start with absolutes... you're trying to pick and find things to help your argument.
Let's get back to the game, before I pick this post apart.

 

[Scorvat]

Kesler took over that series ON HIS BACK. Incredible heart.

Shame he couldn't have done that with other series when we needed him.

People need to stop acting as If beast mode Kesler single handedly lead us to an amazing dynasty. He single handedly won us a series and it was amazing to watch him, but the way some people talk about it make it seem like it was one of the greatest sporting moments

 

[a Fool]

If you replace Edler with a Keith/Doughty level D man during the competitive years, the twins probably have a Cup. They were a perfectly fine top line.

 

[WTG]

Hutton played great today.

Led the Canucks toi

 

[clunk]

LOL this guy on team 1040 is a champ

 

[Addison Rae]

Don't start with absolutes... you're trying to pick and find things to help your argument.
Let's get back to the game, before I pick this post apart.

I was responding to the poster who literally said it in the post I quotes, I'm not picking and choosing anything I'm just analyzing his argument.

 

[TheWolf*]

Shame he couldn't have done that with other series when we needed him.

People need to stop acting as If beast mode Kesler single handedly lead us to an amazing dynasty. He single handedly won us a series and it was amazing to watch him, but the way some people talk about it make it seem like it was one of the greatest sporting moments

For a Canuck fan it was a legendary moment. I am no fan of Kesler the person, but as a player that series was unreal.

I honestly cannot say I haver ever looked back at a playoff series and thought "Wow, the Sedins really carried the team there and won it for them"

 

[Ozone]

Shame he couldn't have done that with other series when we needed him.

People need to stop acting as If beast mode Kesler single handedly lead us to an amazing dynasty. He single handedly won us a series and it was amazing to watch him, but the way some people talk about it make it seem like it was one of the greatest sporting moments

Agreed. Yet, it was arguably his best series, and he showed incredible heart.

 

[Addison Rae]

For a Canuck fan it was a legendary moment. I am no fan of Kesler the person, but as a player that series was unreal.

I honestly cannot say I haver ever looked back at a playoff series and thought "Wow, the Sedins really carried the team there and won it for them"

Henrik Sedin set a Canucks franchise record in points the series after "beast mode" Kesler against Nashville. Outside of that fantastic series Ryan Kesler was a fairly average playoff performer for the Canucks.

 

[Ozone]

For a Canuck fan it was a legendary moment. I am no fan of Kesler the person, but as a player that series was unreal.

I honestly cannot say I haver ever looked back at a playoff series and thought "Wow, the Sedins really carried the team there and won it for them"

Totally agreed, on all counts.

 

[Ozone]

I was responding to the poster who literally said it in the post I quotes, I'm not picking and choosing anything I'm just analyzing his argument.

That is not analyzing, at all. Now, who did you like/dislike tonight?

 

[Scorvat]

For a Canuck fan it was a legendary moment. I am no fan of Kesler the person, but as a player that series was unreal.

I honestly cannot say I haver ever looked back at a playoff series and thought "Wow, the Sedins really carried the team there and won it for them"

I agree with you about how the Sedins never carried a team for a playoff series, but people using the Nashville series as a reason why Kesler has been better in the playoffs and is the guy you win with is hilarious.

The Sedins may have never carried the team to series victories, but they defiantly have lead the team there more then a guy like Kesler has

 

[Bleach Clean]

Happy for Virtanen.

The best thing about Virtanen's goal was that he gave the puck up to get it back. This is going to be everything for him. If he can learn to do this simple thing repeatedly, then he can utilize his speed to create separation all over the ice.

He just has to keep this in mind at all times.

 

[Addison Rae]

That is not analyzing, at all. Now, who did you like/dislike tonight?

The posted suggested Kesler was a player you win with, I then proceeded to tell him that Kesler's not won anything. Tell me exactly what analyzing is then, please.