GDT: Canes vs. Lightning, Mario Kart Edition (1/19)
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DaleCooper
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I don't even care that they lost if they can start playing the way they did for most of that game consistently.
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DaveG
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And yeah, that's ********. Peters deserves the "result" on this one. Not that Qdoba was awesome but he was a good bit better then Peters.
Novacane
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Good luck the rest of the way since we're done playing each other this season.
The Faulker 27
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Lol, good stuff. The predictability of it all is maddening but amusing at least.
AD Skinner
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I wasn't able to catch the game, but from what I can tell it sounds like it was a typical TB-CAR game. I guess the end of the day positive we can all take from this is that it can no longer be argued that Justin Peters is an NHL goaltender. He seems like a real nice guy and everything, but he can not play in the NHL. I think most folks pretty much knew that all along, but it should make the decision about what to do with the goalie situation a little easier.
Peters seems to struggle as a backup who gets rare starts. His good stretches have come when the team had no other options and he was able to start multiple games.
In that respect, AD Skinner may be right: if Peters could play as a backup like he has for stretches when he's starting, I think he could be an NHL backup. But it appears he isn't as sharp as a backup.
In that respect, AD Skinner may be right: if Peters could play as a backup like he has for stretches when he's starting, I think he could be an NHL backup. But it appears he isn't as sharp as a backup.
dogbazinho
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Tough call starting Peters. It's back to back and where you expect your backup to be played but he's not seen alot of action recently and Tampa has been playing well. To add insult to injury any value Peters has had has pretty much been negated. Perhaps we should protect Peters if we wanted to get any return for him but that's easier said than done I guess.
TheOllieC
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What's the latest on Ward? I know before the Calgary game, it was said he was on the ice for practice
Anything past that?
Anything past that?
NorthStar4Canes
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Canes outshot TBL 51 to 24? Excellent! Don't fret people, with that disparity in shot count the advanced stats prove that Carolina was actually better. They don't lie to you like that archaic puck luck counter….oh, excuse me...for all you kids sitting at the back of the class, I mean "Scoreboooarrd" 
Even better news: I've run the numbers through my new Corsi-Fenwick 3000X, and with this advanced stats win we're currently sitting in a solid playoff spot for the Metrics Cup!
Even better news: I've run the numbers through my new Corsi-Fenwick 3000X, and with this advanced stats win we're currently sitting in a solid playoff spot for the Metrics Cup!
Razputyn
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Canes outshot TBL 51 to 24? Excellent! Don't fret people, with that disparity in shot count the advanced stats prove that Carolina was actually better. They don't lie to you like that archaic puck luck counter….oh, excuse me...for all you kids sitting at the back of the class, I mean "Scoreboooarrd"
Even better news: I've run the numbers through my new Corsi-Fenwick 3000X, and with this advanced stats win we're currently sitting in a solid playoff spot for the Metrics Cup!
Were you one of those people who didn't see the Maple Leafs' crash back to earth after the start of the season?
Based on this post, I don't think you totally understand how advanced stats are supposed to be considered.
AD Skinner
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I don't disagree with the decision to start the backup in this situation, but that's the things with peters- he's not really good enough to start and can't get in a groove as a backup. As I said before I didn't watch this game so I only know what the highlights show- but I can't get too upset. Most games you outshoot the other team by 30 you have a good chance of winning. The goals peters let in werent absurdly soft but they weren't.... Whatever the opposite is (hard I guess). If khudobin starts we probably win this game. Oh well.
garnetpalmetto
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Interestingly enough I noticed the music they played as we left was Pompeii. The lyrics most definitely apply.
Anton Babchuk
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did i miss the big declaration by advanced stats people where they claimed that the team with more shots wins every single game? i see so many point to individual or small sets of games as evidence that advanced stats are nonsense. way to totally miss the point. if the hurricanes are outshooting teams 2:1 every game, they will win a lot. it is, however, possible for them to vastly outplay another team and lose individual games. the best team does not always win. it's hard to argue that tampa didn't get outplayed tonight or that if they played like this every game they wouldn't be a terrible team. i'm not sure what your point is.
oh, and please note that the hurricanes are one of the worst corsi/fenwick/whatever teams in the league this year. they are also one of the worst real hockey teams in the league. they don't regularly outplay and lose. they regularly get ouplayed and lose. these things *usually* correlate. not always, but almost always.
pointing to outliers and anamolies to argue against advanced stats just shows how much you don't get it.
oh, and please note that the hurricanes are one of the worst corsi/fenwick/whatever teams in the league this year. they are also one of the worst real hockey teams in the league. they don't regularly outplay and lose. they regularly get ouplayed and lose. these things *usually* correlate. not always, but almost always.
pointing to outliers and anamolies to argue against advanced stats just shows how much you don't get it.
Wild Caniac
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We outplayed our opponents and lost to an Olympic-caliber goalie. This is Hurricanes hockey, learn to live with it.
What the Faulk
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Bingo. It's no coincidence that this team's best possession year since 06-07 was the last time the made the playoffs.
There's a pretty obvious correlation there, but it won't predict every game. It's like poker. Going all in as a 90% favorite to win, over time, you'll make a lot of money. But there will be the odd time that you lose.
Also, Peters didn't play that poorly. Faulk and Sekera were terrible, and Muller made the switch to spark the team. Khudobin isn't stopping the pucks Peters didn't. He was fumbly, and a step slow the whole game, and look gassed afterward.
NorthStar4Canes
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Argue against it? On the contrary, I'm a true believer now man. I was in the midst of an epiphany as I woke up this morning after a dream I had last night. In it, Our forwards would circle with the puck in the offensive zone, circling, circling, displaying complete puck possession ownage vs the 1 defender who hadn't dropped his stick. When his shift was almost through he passed it to 1 of his 4 wide-open teammates who, after looping around the back of the net to outside the dots again in his own display of PPO, lobbed a shot. 45 times during the game they did this. By this last time the crowd, including myself, was on its feet going absolutely nuts in appreciation.
With the clock ticking down in the final minute and as the opposing D-man skated that last rebound out of his zone you could feel that this fan energy from having just witnessed our team's hockey awesomeness wasn't abating. A lame 3 seconds later as the D-man fed the puck to his winger you knew this excitement we were feeling wasn't going to be contained. Fans were out of their seats and flowing into the aisles and streaming down towards the ice as the winger's linemate went top shelf with a one-timer in a sad display of barely touching the puck but stopping the game which was a good thing, since by that time fans were actually on the ice and rushing the home team players in mob-mentality celebration, and I was right there alongside them. The sound of the scoreboard reading 0-1 crashing down had me look up, and that's where I saw The Light.
Then I woke up feeling this way, which is to say, enlightened as to what true winning really is.
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You're right that Peters didn't play that poorly. And that Faulk and Sekera were terrible. And that Muller made the switch to spark the team. But there's no telling how Anton would have played instead of Peters.
But I doubt we would have been down 3-0 after the first if Anton had started, regardless of how pisspoor the team started the game.
