GDT: cane's vs flyera - fire cam ward and ron hainsey into the sun

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Sure, if that's what gets this conversation to end.

Perfect.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

I'm not sure what point are you trying to make?

Is it that Ward, with is, what 30th best SV % in the league is beyond criticism? Honestly, I am one that thinks Ward is NOT as bad as many have portrayed him to be, but am tired of defending him at all costs, even when he deserves it.

So please tell me what point you are trying to make so I can tell if I agree or disagree with you.

my point is that we are all criticizing ward here. it was a bad goal. but your original comment (that started all of this nonsense, btw, very unlike you, but my guess is its the wine) wasnt "wow that was bad." it was "psh, ward must still be above criticism now, huh people that disagreed with me in the other thread?" which was a silly strawman because even the "goaltender defender" youve identified has said that its a bad goal.

but im gonna stop talking because its clear you get illogical when you're drunk lol

(edit: in fairness if this comes off as slightly hostile, i starting writing before your edit, when you were like "oh please what's really your point" so sorry if its a little punchier than it should be)

 

[Blueline Bomber]

Who in the world thinks Ward is an above average starter? You're arguing against a belief no one holds.

You called me "Ward's biggest apologist" and even I called him a below average goaltender in the Wild GDT.

 

[AD Skinner]

I'm drinking scotch tonight, so you little piss ants better mind your P's and Q's.

And remember who you're dealing with

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

let me clarify: he has to start winning games in which the hurricanes only score 1 or 2 goals. starting goaltenders, especially ones that make the money that ward does, aren't there to only win games in which the team scores 3 or 4. ward apologists seem to react to every loss with a "you can't win games without scoring!!! ward can't win every game 2-1!!!" but yet ward has let in at least 2 goals in 10 out of 12 starts, with 3 or more goals in 7 starts. it seems pretty obvious to me that ward is part of the problem: he isn't stealing games and isn't winning games that he should. it's just a joke to watch this team give up 10 legit scoring chances in a game, have ward allow 3 and then watch people try to excuse his play because "the goals came off of defensive breakdowns and good shots!" as if he's not paid a billion dollars to make difficult saves.

cam ward fans make him out to be some above average starter but yet trash anyone who expect him to better than justin peters.

and my whole point in this conversation is that this is a weird time to bring up the "ward defending behavior" when no one is defending ward on that goal. it was his fault, on him.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

Who in the world thinks Ward is an above average starter? You're arguing against a belief no one holds.

You called me "Ward's biggest apologist" and even I called him a below average goaltender in the Wild GDT.

i'm sorry that i don't read every post you make. your constant, shameless ward apologia led me to believe that you think he's good, because most of the criticism here seems fairly reasonable to me. people are just saying that he's one of the worst goalies in the league, not that he deserves to be deported.

 

[AD Skinner]

I wonder if they aren't feeling the need to play Lack because he will obviously be the starter next year and are praying Ward can show something that'll make someone give up more than a bag of pucks for him at the trade deadline

 

[Anton Babchuk]

and my whole point in this conversation is that this is a weird time to bring up the "ward defending behavior" when no one is defending ward on that goal. It was his fault, on him.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

that was very obviously the point i was trying to make. my point is that we are all criticizing ward here. it was a bad goal. but your original comment (that started all of this nonsense, btw, very unlike you, but my guess is its the wine) wasnt "wow that was bad." it was "psh, ward must still be above criticism now, huh people that disagreed with me in the other thread?" which was a silly strawman because even the "goaltender defender" youve identified has said that its a bad goal.

but im gonna stop talking because its clear you get illogical when you're drunk lol

I take offense. I don't get illogical. I just call it like I see it.

Seriously though, the (honest) point I was trying (sarcastically and I didn't do a good job) to make was that there is a certain population of posters that defend Ward on every goal scored against. In truth, there are ones that are his fault and ones that aren't, but some have made up their mind before it even occurs.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

every goal is ward's fault, even the ones hainsey throws into the net

 

[Joe McGrath]

That was a hell of a save.

Nevermind it hit the post.

 

[AD Skinner]

Murphy not on the bench :/

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

does he post here?

 

[Anton Babchuk]

"murphy getting hurt forced us to go with five defensemen for the third period. therefore, murphy is responsible for this loss as it is his fault he got boarded from behind because he's bad." - canescountry

 

[AD Skinner]

there is some seriously ridiculous stuff on canescountry. not necessarily the articles but definitely in the comments sections

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

(edit: in fairness if this comes off as slightly hostile, i starting writing before your edit, when you were like "oh please what's really your point" so sorry if its a little punchier than it should be)

No problem. I don't get offended by anything on here and know that sometimes I need to edit what I wrote after reading it and realizing it was came across as dickish. I've known you long enough so that I don't worry about it and have no problem disagreeing and not holding it against you.

 

[Anton Babchuk]

does he post here?

probably

 

[AD Skinner]

Lindholm throwing the body around

 

[AD Skinner]

elite sniper Terry

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

probably

i rescind my entire argument.

 

[Stickpucker]

I wish we had Gudas as our no6.

 

[AD Skinner]

Remember when gerbe scored that insane between the legs goal? it's like he doesn't even try to make a move anymore just tees up and rips

 

[Blueline Bomber]

i'm sorry that i don't read every post you make. your constant, shameless ward apologia led me to believe that you think he's good, because most of the criticism here seems fairly reasonable to me. people are just saying that he's one of the worst goalies in the league, not that he deserves to be deported.

I have less problem with the content of the criticism and more of a problem with how utterly redundant and tiresome it all is. No one believes Ward is a good starter anymore, despite the almost constant arguments otherwise. And this argument gets brought up when he gives up goals that can't be defended (and no one does), such as tonight.

But many people have accepted that there's not much that can be done about Ward otherwise. Khudobin couldn't take the job from him. Lack couldn't take the job from him. Unless the team brings in another goaltender, Ward will be getting starts until Lack outplays him. It's easier to simply grin and bear it until the end of the year.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

elite sniper Terry

what so are you saying this game isnt wards fault??????

or something

 

[Wolfpuck]

Gerbe to the box for hooking