Confirmed with Link: Canes officially match l'offre hostile from MTL for Aho

[Big Daddy Cane]

What question was he answering to? Seems to me this was about if Gerry went rogue on handling it or something.

He did emphasize "I think" when he talked about Sebastian's thoughts, and that's obviously weasel words when you know Sebastian didn't really think that.

It was pertaining to how Dundon and Waddell were framing his role in the offersheet earlier today. Here are the other tweets:





That just caught me off guard. We've been able to justify what Aho did, but it does give you an unsettling feeling about him because of it.

The player is supposed to be the good guy. The agent is there to be the bad guy, right? I was surprised that he wasn't embracing that role.

 

[Lempo]

It was pertaining to how Dundon and Waddell were framing his role in the offersheet earlier today. Here are the other tweets:





That just caught me off guard. We've been able to justify what Aho did, but it does give you an unsettling feeling about him because of it.

The player is supposed to be the good guy. The agent is there to be the bad guy, right? I was surprised that he wasn't embracing that role.

They got the other team to make an offre hostile that was really easy for Canes to match, fair value when they could have gone high, and took in consideration the Canes' needs two years from now. Getting *that* offre hostile is almost a show of leadership by Aho. The team brass is relieved it's done for chrissake!

Gerry shouldn't be expected to play the villain, when no villainy took place. Any overt BS by the Canes FO on the agent is unneeded.

 

[HisIceness]

Canes went all DeAndre Jordan dunking on Brandon Knight over Montreal, and then did the dunk face afterwards (seen at the 19 second mark)



Personally I love sticking it to the Montreal franchise. Lets face it, we're not friends with them, never have been never will be. I have not forgotten some of their media and fans back in 2002 calling us 'rednecks' and 'hillbillies' among other things while one of their own decided it would be funny to throw a banana at Kevin Weekes, granted it was just one guy and I'm not going to paint all their fans with one brush because thats not fair but that incident along with the name-calling before the series really pissed me off.

As far as some their fans getting all butthurt, good. This team is here to stay and whether they like it or not we love our team and we know the game and are just as passionate about it as they are, so they may think they are special for being an original 6 but they're no different from anyone else who loves the game.

To the good-natured Habs fans, thank you. You guys I and the rest of us "jerks" have no issue with. We just get tired of the smarmy, smart-assed jerkoffs who continue to spread the Quebec City bullshit.

Okay now thats out of the way, I'm glad to have Aho going forward. The years may not be ideal but the important thing is he's going to continue to play here while he is still young and while we have some excellent young talent already on the team and in the system. Keeping him was a no-brainer.

I'm also glad to have an owner who is willing to match such an offer. I'm not entirely convinced PK would have done this. Dundon may do some things that leave me saying "Please just shut the f*** up" from time to time but Mark Cuban does the same thing, and it's clear that Dundon wants a good product on the ice and wants the paying customers to have a good time. It could be worse, much worse. In fact it was for a long time.

Okay, thats all I got for now.

 

[Surrounded By Ahos]

 

[AD Skinner]

Since the hurricanes moved from Hartford, Montreal has won 9 total playoff rounds, and advanced beyond the second round only twice. The hurricanes in that span have won 11 series (defeating Montreal twice) and appeared in the conference finals 4 times, winning two of them. And of course theres that whole championship season that hasn't happened for the Habs since the canes became a thing almost 25 years ago.

 

[My Special Purpose]

boom roasted

You know, it's not so much "roasted," as it is the Canadian media conflating frugal with cheap. Dundon is one of the wealthiest owners in the league. He just doesn't like spending more than he has to. It's smart. But the media following Canadian teams has never experienced it before, so they get him confused for cheap, or even insolvent. It's lazy, but what do you expect from the Canadian media.

Also, as for us "dunking" on them, it's not like any of this should be new to them. They've underestimated us from Day 1, and I'm not sure what it will take for them to learn. We're 11-5 all-time in playoff series, including 3-0 against Canadian teams. Every time they come down here, they get dunked on. I have some free advice for Canadian media and fans alike, if you want it to stop, all you have to do is show us a little respect. You don't have to agree with everything, just try not to be dicks about every move we make, considering we have one more Cup win than the entirety of Canada since 1993.

 

[My Special Purpose]

Not doubting that this is true, but why would you come and admit that? I thought the "I let my agent handle things" line would have been Aho's PR play here. I'm really curious to how he frames this, when he does speak.

My problem with Aho's agent is not that he went rogue, or that he did something Aho didn't want him to do. My question is "how did he get MTL to sign an offer sheet that was almost immediately and almost universally panned as insufficient?" I get what he did, and I'm OK with it. I get what Aho did, and I'm OK with it.

What I don't understand is why *Bergevin* went along with it, and that's where I think Canes' management is accusing him of being intentionally misleading. He must have said or done something that would make Bergevin think this was a good idea. And since it turned out so horrifically for MTL, that was obviously not the case.

In short, the agent can't execute this plan without an accomplice. Johnannson had to find that accomplice and convince him to play along. *That's* where things get fuzzy ... the conversation(s) between Johnannson and Bergevin.

 

[Chrispy]

My problem with Aho's agent is not that he went rogue, or that he did something Aho didn't want him to do. My question is "how did he get MTL to sign an offer sheet that was almost immediately and almost universally panned as insufficient?" I get what he did, and I'm OK with it. I get what Aho did, and I'm OK with it.

What I don't understand is why *Bergevin* went along with it, and that's where I think Canes' management is accusing him of being intentionally misleading. He must have said or done something that would make Bergevin think this was a good idea. And since it turned out so horrifically for MTL, that was obviously not the case.

In short, the agent can't execute this plan without an accomplice. Johnannson had to find that accomplice and convince him to play along. *That's* where things get fuzzy ... the conversation(s) between Johnannson and Bergevin.

I'm searching, but I thought I read somewhere that Bergevin was ready to offer a 7 year deal and Johannson countered with this offer sheet.

That would further the argument that Johannson and Aho did this to get a 5 year deal as they wanted all along and Bergevin took his shot.

 

[Lempo]

My problem with Aho's agent is not that he went rogue, or that he did something Aho didn't want him to do. My question is "how did he get MTL to sign an offer sheet that was almost immediately and almost universally panned as insufficient?" I get what he did, and I'm OK with it. I get what Aho did, and I'm OK with it.

What I don't understand is why *Bergevin* went along with it, and that's where I think Canes' management is accusing him of being intentionally misleading. He must have said or done something that would make Bergevin think this was a good idea. And since it turned out so horrifically for MTL, that was obviously not the case.

In short, the agent can't execute this plan without an accomplice. Johnannson had to find that accomplice and convince him to play along. *That's* where things get fuzzy ... the conversation(s) between Johnannson and Bergevin.

Well, the given rationale for this particular rather silly offre hostile was that Tommy D ain't got no chalk to draw. Tommy D don't appreciate if that's the talk in the town, and Gerry was the instigator.

Also, as offre hostiles go, it is almost a lowballing one. It can be read as an insult to get this one, if you're so inclined, as an OH has at least the implication that you won't match it. And they won't take it on Aho, so the agent gets the brunt of it.

Obviously Gerry represent Price and some other dude. It may have been a deposit to the goodwill bank by Bergevin.

Also the optics are that Bergevin Did A Thing. He too needed an accomplish for that.

 

[Roboturner913]

I didn’t get the impression that Dundon was throwing shade at Aho's agent specifically, he was just saying you shouldnt trust the word of sports agents in general because of how they operate.

 

[cptjeff]

my second favorite one is where the guy suggests that Gary Bettman himself loaned Dundon the money bcuz he hates Canada

Can kids no math these days? Bettman makes in the neighborhood of $10 million a year. He is not a poor man, and likely could pay Aho's bonus if he really, really wanted to. Dundon is worth roughly $2 billion, IIRC. Gary Bettman, working for the paycheck he's getting now, would need 200 years as NHL commissioner to match Dundon's net worth today.

Billion is a lot of money.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Not doubting that this is true, but why would you come and admit that? I thought the "I let my agent handle things" line would have been Aho's PR play here. I'm really curious to how he frames this, when he does speak.

It’s a dick measuring contest. Dundon and Waddell pokes him, and he is poking back. Two guys with egos that want to look like they are in charge.

 

[Drivebytrucker]

My problem with Aho's agent is not that he went rogue, or that he did something Aho didn't want him to do. My question is "how did he get MTL to sign an offer sheet that was almost immediately and almost universally panned as insufficient?" I get what he did, and I'm OK with it. I get what Aho did, and I'm OK with it.

What I don't understand is why *Bergevin* went along with it, and that's where I think Canes' management is accusing him of being intentionally misleading. He must have said or done something that would make Bergevin think this was a good idea. And since it turned out so horrifically for MTL, that was obviously not the case.

In short, the agent can't execute this plan without an accomplice. Johnannson had to find that accomplice and convince him to play along. *That's* where things get fuzzy ... the conversation(s) between Johnannson and Bergevin.

The question is why would an agent know the true financial situation of an owner / franchise?

If he went to MB and said they don't have the financial wherewithal to match, I would be skeptical if I was him.

Dundon owns 51% of a team valued at 500 to 600 million and that's not even all of his assets.

Surely any NHL owner could go to a bank and leverage 20 million from them even if he didnt have the cash or want to liquidate some of his assets.

Do people really think Dundon is that poor?

They've been watching that espn 30 for 30 too much about that guy who tried to buy the Isles

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Can kids no math these days? Bettman makes in the neighborhood of $10 million a year. He is not a poor man, and likely could pay Aho's bonus if he really, really wanted to. Dundon is worth roughly $2 billion, IIRC. Gary Bettman, working for the paycheck he's getting now, would need 200 years as NHL commissioner to match Dundon's net worth today.

Billion is a lot of money.

I really don't think people understand this.

Dundon could make and spend 60 million dollars a year, every year of his life, just by sticking his 1.1 billion in a good index fund -- and at the end he'd still have that 1.1 billion. Compound interest is a helluva drug.

Of course, you can be assured that really rich guys have far better investment vehicles available to them than that, and he's netting way better than 6% on his vast fortune (insane investments in football leagues aside).

Poor people literally have no idea how rich people do.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

It’s a dick measuring contest. Dundon and Waddell pokes him, and he is poking back. Two guys with egos that want to look like they are in charge.

They called him out for suckering Bergevin and he doesn't like it. That's it, that's all.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

They called him out for suckering Bergevin and he doesn't like it. That's it, that's all.

True. Doesn’t change what I said though.

Both sides are poking each other.

 

[The Faulker 27]

ITT Too much talk of dicks and poking.

 

[Roboturner913]

They called him out for suckering Bergevin and he doesn't like it. That's it, that's all.

He needs to try to protect himself because he has some pretty significant clients on Montreal right now. Specifically, Price, Gallagher and Kulak.

 

[Lempo]

It is important to protect yourself.

 

[robbieberns]

Can we just assume that the comments from Aho’s agent is saving face after Dundon basically called him out for using Montréal to get Aho the contract he wanted?

He can’t push comments to Bergevin saying Aho really wants to play in Montréal only for Waddell to come out the next day and say that Aho never wanted to leave and always wanted to stay in Raleigh.

 

[Highest Boss]

ITT Too much talk of dicks and poking.

It is important to protect yourself.

 

[CanesFanBudMan]

Dundon on the call today about Ahos agent

 

[Roboturner913]

Can we just assume that the comments from Aho’s agent is saving face after Dundon basically called him out for using Montréal to get Aho the contract he wanted?

He can’t push comments to Bergevin saying Aho really wants to play in Montréal only for Waddell to come out the next day and say that Aho never wanted to leave and always wanted to stay in Raleigh.

Yeah. Again, keep in mind he has three clients on Montreal's NHL roster right now, including two of their cornerstone players.

 

[Lempo]

Can we just assume that the comments from Aho’s agent is saving face after Dundon basically called him out for using Montréal to get Aho the contract he wanted?

He can’t push comments to Bergevin saying Aho really wants to play in Montréal only for Waddell to come out the next day and say that Aho never wanted to leave and always wanted to stay in Raleigh.

"I think my agent did a great job in ensuring a contract and I eagerly look forward to again gearing up in September to play hockey in the Hurricanes organization."

 

[spockBokk]

Aho was willing to play in MTL next season. He proved that by signing the offer sheet. I don’t think for a minute that he wants the play there more than he wants to play in CAR, but on some level, he was absolutely willing to take that risk.

It was a calculated risk and I believe it worked out exactly as he and agent intended.