GDT: Canes @ Isles 1/4 7PM

[Navin R Slavin]

Keep 3 goaltenders for now. If we get a good offer for Peters, take it. Hold on to Khudobin.

It's simple now in my mind, if no one else's.

--hank

 

[NorthStar4Canes]

http://stats.hockeyanalysis.com/showplayer.php?pid=79&withagainst=true&season=2007-12&sit=5v5

Almost every single player LaRose played significant time with had worse goals-for numbers while playing with him. He hurt his lines.

Oh, and the Hurricanes are scoring goals more often at 5-on-5 this season than they did with Chad on the ice in 6 of 8 seasons. Outside of two seasons he was consistently in the low 2s to upper 1s in terms of goals for/60, while mostly playing in the top six. That is sad.

You have some strange obsession with even strength goals personally scored by a player while ignoring (1) even strength assists (2) even strength goals for (3) any and all powerplay points. Cherry-picking at its finest just to support the great Chad. I've already acknowledged that he was good at scoring even strength goals, but you seem to have a lot of trouble grasping the fact that he was very, very poor at generating goals for the other players on the ice. It doesn't appear that it's going to click no matter how times I mention it so I think we can just end this debate, as I quite obviously have already won it.

It also doesn't seem to click for you that 1) I never said he was great, I was just never an obsessed anti-Larose puke just because he skated funny. 2) things like Staal's inconsistency and cold streaks and Ruutu's uselessness weren't and aren't dependent upon his presence either 3) People like you beating the drum could never come up with a better alternative as to who to plug into those lines at the time when someone was needed, you supposedly knew better than the coach. Corsi numbers only go so far, although i know for you they're the bible. Personally, I think you watched Moneyball too many times.

 

[rocky7]

it's hard to rag on a guy when he is scoring but Skinner really does need to learn how to pass the ******* puck once in a while. it would round out his game nicely and help the team, especially when he hits the inevitable dry spell.

there were several times tonight again but one obvious one was when the net was empty at the end there. they could have easily had an empty net goal if he would have passed it instead of him trying to go through three guys, losing the puck and risking getting cranked at his blue line.

it was so obvious what he was trying to do that maybe it's why Muller pulled him off the ice at the end instead of letting him try to extend his goal scoring streak. he looked pissed when he noticed the line change...lol.

 

[Anton Dubinchuk]

it's hard to rag on a guy when he is scoring but Skinner really does need to learn how to pass the ******* puck once in a while. it would round out his game nicely and help the team, especially when he hits the inevitable dry spell.

there were several times tonight again but one obvious one was when the net was empty at the end there. they could have easily had an empty net goal if he would have passed it instead of him trying to go through three guys, losing the puck and risking getting cranked at his blue line.

it was so obvious what he was trying to do that maybe it's why Muller pulled him off the ice at the end instead of letting him try to extend his goal scoring streak. he looked pissed when he noticed the line change...lol.

Uh, he got a primary assist tonight, not sure what you're talking about...

 

[rocky7]

I wonder if all his assists are results of rebounds of his....LOL.

 

[Elsker]

4 for Manny, 3 for Semin.


On that note:

Skinner 11
J Staal 8
E Staal 7
Gerbe 6
Tlusty 5
Malhotra 4
Everybody else 3 or less

Asterisk to this chart is 3 of E Staal's 7 ES goals were empty netters. So, only 4 ES goals scored with a goalie in the net.

Skinner is our only other empty net scorer with one, so his ES total with goalie in place is still a team-leading 10.

 

[tomdundo]

Asterisk to this chart is 3 of E Staal's 7 ES goals were empty netters. So, only 4 ES goals scored with a goalie in the net.

Skinner is our only other empty net scorer with one, so his ES total with goalie in place is still a team-leading 10.

But hey, leadership.

 

[Elsker]

But hey, leadership.

Ummmm, yeah. Leadership.

Lead by example...Head Goose...etc.

 

[Lazyking]

Great game by the Anton tonight... I don't even want to play Peters tomorrow lol.

Seriously, when Anton plays like he did tonight, he's our goalie, period. If he can just string those performances together.

 

[FeedDaPuck]

it's hard to rag on a guy when he is scoring but Skinner really does need to learn how to pass the ******* puck once in a while. it would round out his game nicely and help the team, especially when he hits the inevitable dry spell.

there were several times tonight again but one obvious one was when the net was empty at the end there. they could have easily had an empty net goal if he would have passed it instead of him trying to go through three guys, losing the puck and risking getting cranked at his blue line.

it was so obvious what he was trying to do that maybe it's why Muller pulled him off the ice at the end instead of letting him try to extend his goal scoring streak. he looked pissed when he noticed the line change...lol.

You are not alone in your way of thinking... Watch the games: dmen are NOT playing the pass at all when he has the puck... He needs to think team first (which is not necessarily pass the puck).

 

[FeedDaPuck]

Great game by the Anton tonight... I don't even want to play Peters tomorrow lol.

Seriously, when Anton plays like he did tonight, he's our goalie, period. If he can just string those performances together.

Your wish is Kirk's command? Dobby will be in net against Nash.

 

[Sasha Cares]

Staal injury?

 

[Incubajerks]

What a timely goal by Malhotra right after an absymal pp and the Nassau roaring.

 

[Sasha Cares]

@ice_chip: Expecting a Canes callup today. EStaal apparently was injured against Caps. He tried to play through injury against Isles but couldn't.


Not good

 

[CanesUltimate11]

@ice_chip: Expecting a Canes callup today. EStaal apparently was injured against Caps. He tried to play through injury against Isles but couldn't.


Not good

So probably has to be Rask at this point I would think right? Fill an offensive center spot.

 

[Incubajerks]

So probably has to be Rask at this point I would think right? Fill an offensive center spot.

Or maybe Terry.

 

[Ole Gil]

After 4 points in his first 17 games, 16 in 25 and 7 in 9. Him trending in the right direction is a good sign. Will be interesting to see what Muller does with him.

He's shown plenty of chemistry (at least offensively) with both Skinner and Semin, but can and do they want Malholtra to try and take over more of the defensive responsibilities?

Just assume Skinner is going to do his thing, and plug in whoever on the top line? Interesting coaching quandary.

 

[Sasha Cares]

Has to be Rask... So Jordon is the top line center? Wow, we are in trouble down the middle

skinner-jstaal-semin

ugh, what after that? Rask centering second line? Manny? Move Dwyer to 3c?

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

So probably has to be Rask at this point I would think right? Fill an offensive center spot.

Hard to say for sure. They could decide to throw Ruutu (or Skinner) in at Center for a game and wait for Lindholm to return from WJC on 1/7 (possibly). Not ideal, but throwing Rask to the wolves wouldn't be optimal either as he would need sheltered minutes if he comes up, so it doesn't solve the top line hole.

Imagine how screwed this team would be right now if they hadn't signed Malhotra.

Maybe go with something like:

Skinner-Ruutu-Semin
Gerbe-J.Staal-Dwyer
Bowman-Malhotra-Boychuk
Blanchard/Terry - Sutter - Dvorak

 

[My Special Purpose]

Oddly, our Nos. 2, 3, 4 centers scored our goals last night: J. Staal, Malhotra, Sutter.

 

[Joe McGrath]

Arguing about Chad LaRose half as season after his career is essentially over in a GDT for a game that ended with the Canes on
A 3 game winning streak.

Never change HFBoards.

 

[geehaad]

I'll steer clear of arguing for/against Rask since I have no clue about his NHL readiness. However, short of that somehow being a solution, why wouldn't Malhotra be the top-line fill-in? I was really surprised when I kept hearing Sutter's name in with Skinner and Semin...woulda thought that Malhotra would be the next most logical fill-in.

I say this without having researched the line combos after EStaal threw in the towel last night. Maybe fill-ins were more varied than I'm aware of.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

I'll steer clear of arguing for/against Rask since I have no clue about his NHL readiness. However, short of that somehow being a solution, why wouldn't Malhotra be the top-line fill-in? I was really surprised when I kept hearing Sutter's name in with Skinner and Semin...woulda thought that Malhotra would be the next most logical fill-in.

I say this without having researched the line combos after EStaal threw in the towel last night. Maybe fill-ins were more varied than I'm aware of.

Here's why I wouldn't do it. Manny takes a ****-load of draws in the defensive zone and plays a more defensive game. I personally think it benefits the team more if he stays in that role and I wouldn't want that to be the role for Skinner and Semin.

It's a trade-off as I do think he'd be better with Skinner/Semin than others (Ruutu, Sutter, etc..) would be, but I think the team is better if he stays in the role he was in..unless you double shift him for key draws.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I'll steer clear of arguing for/against Rask since I have no clue about his NHL readiness. However, short of that somehow being a solution, why wouldn't Malhotra be the top-line fill-in? I was really surprised when I kept hearing Sutter's name in with Skinner and Semin...woulda thought that Malhotra would be the next most logical fill-in.

I say this without having researched the line combos after EStaal threw in the towel last night. Maybe fill-ins were more varied than I'm aware of.

Offensive zone starts. Muller likely wanted one of JStaal and Malhotra for all defensive zone draws and Skinner/Semin dont start many shifts that way when together.

If Eric isn't playing this could be a weird one. If they don't call up Rask what's the alternative? Ruutu at center? Are they going to need to IR someone to do it? Is Harrison already on IR?

 

[Anton Babchuk]

rask has done nothing offensively for like two months now. he recently got demoted to the third line in favor of aj jenks. i'd rather call up someone like palushaj and shift ruutu to C or whatever. rask isn't nhl material right now.