Post-Game Talk: Canes 5 - Jets 3

[Atoyot]

that's not what I'm saying... I'm saying if he's going to point out that they were the better team with svech out of the lineup he should also point out who was out for us...

I think his audience is Jets' fans and he probably doesn't need to tell them if Morrissey is out. I don't think he was knocking the Jets saying that Svech was out, I think he was just providing information.

 

[surixon]

Played pretty well overall (Rittich notable exception), but we’re punished for almost every breakdown. The crappy part was most of them were unforced and completely avoidable.
55 didn’t have much going tonight and he seemed to fold his tent after that 3rd goal. He was really good in both Florida games so I’m not too upset about it. Glad Bones sat him though.

Will 81 ever score again, burning questions need to be answered.

Pionk…well…Morrissey can’t come back fast enough.

Still giving up too many open looks at the net. The Jets are a curious team, they scored a couple of nice goals off the rush tonight but for the most part they like to work the puck low to high. For as much as they do that, they sure don’t get a lot of deflection goals or rebounds, just not enough players getting to the net.

They’re trending in the right direction, getting 80 and 44 back should be a big boost.

I have not liked our offensive schemes for a while now. We need to figure out how to open up more slot looks for our big shooters of our offensive zone time. I think @ecolad is correct, Bones has further simplified our offensive systems as the year has progressed. There was far more switching and rotations and getting the puck into the high danger areas earlier in the year.

Another issue is our dzone puck management. We need better play by forwards when exiting the zone but more importantly we need better transition passing by our defense. All the best teams can move the puck quickly from back to front. I think we've done ok with the Pens circa 16-17 shoot the puck out and skate onto it but we could do much better with a precision zone exit scheme. Hopefully Ville is ready to go next year as that is an area he excels at.

We are also missing the skill of Dubois and Cole upfront and obviously JoMo on the backend

 

[GNP]

Last 3 games on the road, the Jets are playing really well taking 4 of 6 points, and against very high upper end playoff teams. We also did this without our # 1 defenseman, so I don't think anybody should complain. The Jets have some upward momentum, and their latest player additions are looking good.

 

[LowLefty]

yeah, they don't belong together but I think that has way more to do with pionk then anything else, I don't think dillon has been bad when paired with anyone else

Dillon is a pretty decent defensive dman - other than when he plays with Pionk.
I thinks it's safe to say Pionk is the issue regardless of where you put him -
Why the hell should be need to shelter a $6M dman?

 

[Atoyot]

I just want to point out, we competed with one of the best teams in the league while not having our Vezina winning goalie and our Norris competing defenseman.

 

[LowLefty]

We need betterplay by forwards when exiting the zone but more importantly we need better transition passing by our defense.

The hard truth here is that our blueline is not very good.
So the game plan earlier this season was to get everyone on board with playing a high energy, two way game (like the canes) that would help protect that shortfall -
Unfortunately, we can't do that consistently - and it's the same players who always revert back to lazy hockey.
What's even more unfortunate, is that group also happen to be our best players.

 

[surixon]

Dillon is a pretty decent defensive dman - other than when he plays with Pionk.
I thinks it's safe to say Pionk is the issue regardless of where you put him -
Why the hell should be need to shelter a $6M dman?

Yup, JoMo dragged him up for a few games but he's the biggest issue in our dcore. Most of our other guys can fulfill their roles well.

 

[LowLefty]

Love it from nino.

Was always a fan of his from afar, and via stats and production he put up. Didn't know this was him off the ice.

How about the other two - who are probably more the face of the Jets.
Sad
Nino is a winner - need more players with that kind of skill and character, to lead this team - along with JoMo

 

[surixon]

The hard truth here is that our blueline is not very good.
So the game plan earlier this season was to get everyone on board with playing a high energy, two way game (like the canes) that would help protect that shortfall -
Unfortunately, we can't do that consistently - and it's the same players who always revert back to lazy hockey.
What's even more unfortunate, is that group also happen to be our best players.

I don't disagree that our top guys revert back at times. Conner has never been good defensively which is an issue when he slumps. Wheeler just has aged out and crosses the line too often in terms of penalties. Scheifele has been much better this year for the most part but still has games or stretches of disorganized/lazy play. Rome wasn't built in a day so I have some patience to see how it plays out with Mark. Ehlers usually offsets his mediocre d play with elite play driving but the operation has hurt his speed this year. That has resulted in decreased effectiveness in that aspect of his game.

The one top 6 guy that looked like he was the prototypical fit for Bones system was Dubois with his power/skill hybrid game. He was fantastic early this year but his play the back half of the year just raises more questions. Has he been hurt most the second half, is it conditioning, etc? It's just odd.

I know he's a rookie but we miss Cole a lot because he is very good at all those small things that lead to quick exits and controlled entries. He is also responsible in his end.

We honestly need more of that type of all around play in our top 6. I wish a guy like Conner was as good off the puck as Perfetti is as a rookie. We'd be a much better team for it.

But I like getting El Nino as it brings some more balance to our forward core. Ideally we get one more hard nosed complimentary scorer like him and build some truly balanced lines.

 

[ps241]

The thing that make me worry about the way they are playing is they are winning after dumping players and without Forsberg and Johansen

I may be wrong and Josi is one of my favorite players in the NHL but right now they feel like Whilee Coyote running way off the cliff but they haven’t looked down yet. They have been so hot over the past 15 or so games and I don’t think its sustainable.

Hey……. may the best team win…. maybe they won’t regress to the mean like I keep predicting and I’ll be wrong.

 

[bustamente]

I may be wrong and Josi is one of my favorite players in the NHL but right now they feel like Whilee Coyote running way off the cliff but they haven’t looked down yet. They have been so hot over the past 15 or so games and I don’t think its sustainable.

Hey……. may the best team win…. maybe they won’t regress to the mean like I keep predicting and I’ll be wrong.

We can start their downfall on Saturday

 

[Guido Borsato]

Yeesh.

I'm pretty sure Scheif won't be inviting Bowness to his 30th birthday celebration tomorrow.

 

[surixon]

Dillon is a pretty decent defensive dman - other than when he plays with Pionk.
I thinks it's safe to say Pionk is the issue regardless of where you put him -
Why the hell should be need to shelter a $6M dman?

Over the last two years Dillion has solid to good metrics with everyone not named Pionk. He's played quite well with Schmidt, DeMelo and even Heinola. I personally move out Pionk this summer and give his spot to Ville. Have Dillion mentor him. Go with a shut down pairing of Snerg and DeMelo and see if you can find a good RD partner for JoMo.

 

[bustamente]

Flames going to OT

 

[gojetsgo]

flames only get 1

 

[bustamente]

Flames lose in OT 5 points behind the Jets even steven in games played

 

[WolfgangPuck]

Bruins Coming to Winnipeg after losing two straight to Red Wings and Hawks
Are the Bruins taking the foot off the pedal and coasting ?
Can we take 2 points off them and extend their losing streak to 3?

 

[Truenorthducky]

If Detroit doesn't beat Nashville tonight, we are in deep, deep trouble. Boston is not a team we are in a position to beat.
Rittich once again proved that he can't be relied upon. If we're not comfortably in a playoff spot, I don't want to see him again this season.
Pionk a disaster. Our usual top liners remarkably absent once again.

So if Detroit and Chicago team can beat Boston why can’t we ?

 

[Jets 31]

We had a good road trip but unless Helly told Bowness he needed a rest Bowness messed up not playing Helly. And people love to shit on Scheifele and sometimes it's deserved but i'm way more concerned about Connor than Scheifele. Seriously right now Connor is bringing absolutely nothing to a game , he has to start scoring because he's terrible defensively. Connor should be leading this team in goal scoring in my opinion. Hopefully we get Morrissey and Dubois back next game.

 

[Truenorthducky]

I just want to point out, we competed with one of the best teams in the league while not having our Vezina winning goalie and our Norris competing defenseman.

Well we had both those players several times in the past 6 weeks and you’ve seen the results.

 

[johnnyonthspot]

Last 3 games on the road, the Jets are playing really well taking 4 of 6 points, and against very high upper end playoff teams. We also did this without our # 1 defenseman, so I don't think anybody should complain. The Jets have some upward momentum, and their latest player additions are looking good.

The Panthers are not a playoff team but the Jets deserve credit for getting 4 of 6 points. If they can get points in 2 of every 3 games to finish the season then they should make it to the 8th wc spot just to get swept but at least there will be 2 home playoff games.

 

[voyageur]

We had a good road trip but unless Helly told Bowness he needed a rest Bowness messed up not playing Helly. And people love to shit on Scheifele and sometimes it's deserved but i'm way more concerned about Connor than Scheifele. Seriously right now Connor is bringing absolutely nothing to a game , he has to start scoring because he's terrible defensively. Connor should be leading this team in goal scoring in my opinion. Hopefully we get Morrissey and Dubois back next game.

I think you have to manage the load for Hellebuyck with 6 games in 9 days. Coming back home he should be fresh. Then you have an afternoon game which is probably the most important of the season, followed by a game the next evening.

I'd rather he play those stretch of games, and help the Jets accumulate points. Losing to a non conference team after winning two in Florida is acceptable. A save or two would have gone a long way, but the Jets have gotten into the habit of winning games in which they are significantly outshot, and losing games that are close in shots, or their distinct advantage. I think Bones was probably hoping BSD could win one. It would be nice if he could, somewhere before the end of the season.

Connor is cold, but a lot of scorers are streaky. His game doesn't look great right now, but the same thing was said about Ehlers a week or so ago. Maybe Dubois helps him get back on track. I still don't know if Connor is a better shooter than Scheifele, so I'd say the right guy is at the top of the list, but with a player that will defer to him, Connor should be able to keep pace with 55.

 

[Guffman]

If he doesn’t want to post here, don’t bring his tweets here.

 

[Johnnucleo]

We're just going around in a circle now. What you're talking about doesn't really matter. They were down Svechnikov, and we were down four players. They still won the game, because they were the better team.

love how he points out svech's injury but ignores us missing our #1 d #2 center top 6 winger and playing our backup over our vezina goalie

Jets were down those players, and they looked like the worse team. That's what happens. I'm sure they'll award pity points for us.

LOL @CorgisPer60. I can't tell if you are being obtuse on purpose or what. He's saying he takes issue with WPGCheif pointing out Svech injury when both teams have injuries. As in, he takes issue with one person's narrative. You seem to assume he's taking issue with reality, in that both teams have injuries and Canes were still the better team. He's not. He fully understands that. Again, you're confusing one person's issue with someone slanting a narrative in their post, with the broader subject of injuries in the reality of last nights game.

 

[Arthur Fonzarelli]

Yep, Pionk needs to be insulated to be effective. You expect him to be bad in the defensive zone. So you put him with a player that is good defensively. I think he would be a lot more effective playing with Samberg than Dillon.

I've been down on Dillon all season so maybe there's some confirmation bias, but at the very least I feel like Pionk and Dillon are incredibly ill suited as a pairing and that should have been addressed much earlier. Neither of them are effective together.

Nope. The reality is the only partner with whom Pionk has had positive metrics has been Dillon.