Post-Game Talk: cane

[Joe Ranger Fan 1960]

I wish we had a captain.

 

[NYR2007]

If you go over to the hurricanes board, they are talking about the next series as if they have already beat us.

 

[Raspewtin]

If you go over to the hurricanes board, they are talking about the next series as if they have already beat us.

I mean, so are we in several threads

why do you guys go to opponents boards anyway? they're just as unhinged as we are probably

 

[Metranger]

Rangers are better than the Canes. IF they play their game.

The Canes are all defense. Shut off their occasional offense and we can beat them.

 

[The Crypto Guy]

I wish we had a captain.

We do, he just doesn’t have the C yet (Laf)

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

When did you start watching the Rangers

1990? I watch the team. Don't focus on the refs. Anyway....Which playoff games have they done for us this year?

 

[Savant]

I wish we had a captain.

Would rather no captain than a bad captain. Captaincy ruined McDonagh. C was too heavy on him. Tampa saved his career

1990? I watch the team. Don't focus on the refs. Anyway....Which playoff games have they done for us this year?

Been dealing with Rooney Tunes for at least the last decade. Always feels like him and McCauley are Bettman’s henchmen to get the Rangers out definitely remember some rough ones in 2012 and 2014

 

[EdJovanovski]

I wish we had a captain.

It would be a little awkward to just hand it to Krav while he’s still in Russia, they probably worried it would seem like a smack in the face to the players that battled here all season. He’ll be wearing it to start next year.

 

[JoeGarelli]

Which of our playoff games have they done? Is there a site that shows penalties called against and for teams?

scoutingtherefs.com

 

[NickyFotiu]

Don’t think Raanta is Cane’s biggest issue. They feature ADA, Skjei and (especially) Smith on defense and their 4th line is not what you need for a prolonged playoff run.

I'm very impressed by how they play defense. Its not about individuals. They overload the puck with such good timing on our zone entries. Sometimes 3 of them to 1 of ours. They also get those leak out passed at our blue line very often. Lastly like Pitt they skate laterally across our blue line instead of pulling up so when the puck enters the zone they are already in stride so offensive plays can develop in a flash. I see some Canes fans bash their coach and I laugh. Rod is a heck of a coach. I'm super impressed by their systems. They are literally playing 3 dmen that we moved on from. Sometimes teams are equal to the sum of their parts. I think the Canes are greater than the sum of their parts.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

Would rather no captain than a bad captain. Captaincy ruined McDonagh. C was too heavy on him. Tampa saved his career


Been dealing with Rooney Tunes for at least the last decade. Always feels like him and McCauley are Bettman’s henchmen to get the Rangers out definitely remember some rough ones in 2012 and 2014

Kerry Fraser, Ranga hata

 

[Levitate]

I'm very impressed by how they play defense. Its not about individuals. They overload the puck with such good timing on our zone entries. Sometimes 3 of them to 1 of ours. They also get those leak out passed at our blue line very often. Lastly like Pitt they skate laterally across our blue line instead of pulling up so when the puck enters the zone they are already in stride so offensive plays can develop in a flash. I see some Canes fans bash their coach and I laugh. Rod is a heck of a coach. I'm super impressed by their systems. They are literally playing 3 dmen that we moved on from. Sometimes teams are equal to the sum of their parts. I think the Canes are greater than the sum of their parts.

I dunno, I think Rod is a very good coach at getting his team to buy in and play the way they do but kind of like I said I can't help but feel their overall style is too primitive offensively for this current age
Again I think a big part of why their possession game is so good is that they are coached to take those long shots into traffic and forwards immediately peel off to retrieve the puck, it's a cycle of shoot into traffic, hope to get a rebound or tip etc, retrieve the puck because you were expecting to need to, repeat until you hopefully score a goal

I think todays NHL has moved a bit beyond that style as the only way to play in the playoffs. You need to be able to grind out goals but you also need to be able to open things up and make real skill plays more often and I'm not sure Carolina does that enough

But I could be also sour grapes here.

Their D works despite so so defensive players because yeah they're real aggressive at attacking the puck carrier and causing turnovers etc, just quite disciplined, though you will see individuals get beat since they're relying on guys who aren't fantastic by themselves

Basically, I hate their style in the modern NHL, it's ugly and boring. They're successful with it but not sure they can go all the way with it, but strangers things have happened

 

[Kocur26]

I would break up Z like quickly if they’re suffocating

 

[bernmeister]

.... I agree. You have to get Z and Bread away from Staal.

Yes, if possible but not something one can control. Answer is to be a deep, deep team, like bern keeps harping they become. Then, ok, Staal doing his Jan Erixon impression, props, but he can only cover 1 guy for a limited amount of time.

Hopefully this is the turn we have been waiting for him to make. MYbe Drury gets an offer he can't refuse in the off-season too.

NO.
ok, yes, there are no sacred cows so theoretically any overpay offer for anybody w'o nmc who can be moved needs to be considered,
that disclaimer aside,
NO Chytil given upside, cheap rfa contract, desired physical traits, he is a keeper.

That guy always seems to be patting himself on the back for one thing or another.
....
I'd prefer Strome get that goal and watch our fanbase go up in flames.

That guy would not have to publicly pat himself on the back and give his detractors their comeuppance if enuf people on the board --- you know who you are, go look in the mirror --- spoke the truth at sq1, and said with an open mind, he could be right --- and confirm when his projection is demonstrated to be accurate that in fact he IS right. Not always. But tell it like it is, let your conscience be your guide.

Strome sucks. I was correct NYR brass were wrong to keep, not give mins to Krav/Chytil/Barron and get at least something for him.

Really satisfying, in spite of being stressful, win. ...
3rd line was good. Keep them together please. Chytil with a couple of beautiful goals tonight, but I think with the talent on that line they can create more scoring chances, especially if they get matched up with the Canes bottom pair.

4th line was good as well. Great to have Goodrow back. He's a difference maker.
... LGR!

Chytil like most still improving but mostly there, has been for some time, like most best results with most complementary fits for linemates.
LaF is starting to be that guy. Vatrano already is. Happy to roll w/Kakko + chytil now w/either LaF or pref Vatrano. In the future, Gauthier, who we need as a cheap productive option to allow Kakko to be redeployed elsewhere, can do RW, as a driver of play, even if he suffers from Gene Carr disease (Bill Chadwick: "can't shoot the puck into the ocean off a short pier") w/Vatrano upped. Leaves Chytil as pivot facilitator and Vatrano as scoring W. That line should be kept together going forward.
Currently good enough to match up vs any Canes line.

Goodrow was acquired to protect bread. He should pivot that line. Play Zib, very subpar on FOs, at RW
bread - Good - Zib

Team isn't winning on Monday unless they score the first goal.

statistically yes.
They have enuf to overcome if they don't fall far behind.
NY is better team man to man vs CAR, but Canes match up well vs us, e.g, Staal neutralizing Zib.
Must effin forecheck. Getting outshot, granted, mo offense cuts both ways, leads to more offense vs, but CAN NOT EFFIN GET OUTSHOT.

Cracks me up that Igor had more points in game 6 than Tony has all series.
....
If last nights game can mind f**k Raantas head somehow, I think we have a good shot tomm.

kudos on the bold!
Raanta not phased, he's tired.
If we win and advance, Geo has to play every 2nd game in series to give Igor rest.

Raanta looks gassed to me. The smartest thing Rod has done this series was pulling him yesterday. ...

concur

Rangers should go balls to the wall on offense.

There is no reason whatsoever that they should lose tomorrow. None. They are the better team.

concur

 

[chosen]

Besides the soft goals last night, Raanta has been very good, especially at home. Igor let in a softy in game 4, but we managed to score more goals and win.
You make Canes sound like the 1980 Red Army team. Relax brother, I've seen many teams play like the Canes but most of them don't win squat.

I'm relaxed and I never claimed the Canes resembled an all-time great team, but spare me that Raanta has played great. Maybe he's had a third of the workload on high scoring chances that Shesterkin has faced.

Every game has featured multiple moments of chaos in front of Shesterkin. Nothing close to that in front of Raanta.

Don’t think Raanta is Cane’s biggest issue. They feature ADA, Skjei and (especially) Smith on defense and their 4th line is not what you need for a prolonged playoff run.

You truly believe that with Shesterkin, the Canes wouldn't be a major hurdle for any team to beat?

 

[chosen]

Yes, if possible but not something one can control. Answer is to be a deep, deep team, like bern keeps harping they become. Then, ok, Staal doing his Jan Erixon impression, props, but he can only cover 1 guy for a limited amount of time.


NO.
ok, yes, there are no sacred cows so theoretically any overpay offer for anybody w'o nmc who can be moved needs to be considered,
that disclaimer aside,
NO Chytil given upside, cheap rfa contract, desired physical traits, he is a keeper.


That guy would not have to publicly pat himself on the back and give his detractors their comeuppance if enuf people on the board --- you know who you are, go look in the mirror --- spoke the truth at sq1, and said with an open mind, he could be right --- and confirm when his projection is demonstrated to be accurate that in fact he IS right. Not always. But tell it like it is, let your conscience be your guide.

Strome sucks. I was correct NYR brass were wrong to keep, not give mins to Krav/Chytil/Barron and get at least something for him.

Chytil like most still improving but mostly there, has been for some time, like most best results with most complementary fits for linemates.
LaF is starting to be that guy. Vatrano already is. Happy to roll w/Kakko + chytil now w/either LaF or pref Vatrano. In the future, Gauthier, who we need as a cheap productive option to allow Kakko to be redeployed elsewhere, can do RW, as a driver of play, even if he suffers from Gene Carr disease (Bill Chadwick: "can't shoot the puck into the ocean off a short pier") w/Vatrano upped. Leaves Chytil as pivot facilitator and Vatrano as scoring W. That line should be kept together going forward.
Currently good enough to match up vs any Canes line.

Goodrow was acquired to protect bread. He should pivot that line. Play Zib, very subpar on FOs, at RW
bread - Good - Zib


statistically yes.
They have enuf to overcome if they don't fall far behind.
NY is better team man to man vs CAR, but Canes match up well vs us, e.g, Staal neutralizing Zib.
Must effin forecheck. Getting outshot, granted, mo offense cuts both ways, leads to more offense vs, but CAN NOT EFFIN GET OUTSHOT.



kudos on the bold!
Raanta not phased, he's tired.
If we win and advance, Geo has to play every 2nd game in series to give Igor rest.



concur


concur

After I wrote that you seem totally preoccupied with complimenting yourself, you did it again.

 

[NickyFotiu]

I dunno, I think Rod is a very good coach at getting his team to buy in and play the way they do but kind of like I said I can't help but feel their overall style is too primitive offensively for this current age
Again I think a big part of why their possession game is so good is that they are coached to take those long shots into traffic and forwards immediately peel off to retrieve the puck, it's a cycle of shoot into traffic, hope to get a rebound or tip etc, retrieve the puck because you were expecting to need to, repeat until you hopefully score a goal

I think todays NHL has moved a bit beyond that style as the only way to play in the playoffs. You need to be able to grind out goals but you also need to be able to open things up and make real skill plays more often and I'm not sure Carolina does that enough

But I could be also sour grapes here.

Their D works despite so so defensive players because yeah they're real aggressive at attacking the puck carrier and causing turnovers etc, just quite disciplined, though you will see individuals get beat since they're relying on guys who aren't fantastic by themselves

Basically, I hate their style in the modern NHL, it's ugly and boring. They're successful with it but not sure they can go all the way with it, but strangers things have happened

I don't find their system ugly and boring because it has led to more fast break chances than we have had in this series as well as more chances overall. Overall I think we have more individual talent but their team play is very impressive. They don't have a McDavid to carry them so they rely on team speed. The problem with their system is it needs things to go right for all 5 guys. If there is 1 guy on the ice not buying in it leaves them exposed.

 

[bbny]

I would break up Z like quickly if they’re suffocating

Do it now. Let the players go in knowing who they are playing with.

Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Chytil
Kreider - Copp - Vatrano
Panarin - Strome - Kakko
Motte - Goodrow - Reaves

Big balls move. Carolina would have to seriously adjust their matchups on the fly and hope it works.

 

[Psycho for Perreault]

I'm relaxed and I never claimed the Canes resembled an all-time great team, but spare me that Raanta has played great. Maybe he's had a third of the workload on high scoring chances that Shesterkin has faced.

Every game has featured multiple moments of chaos in front of Shesterkin. Nothing close to that in front of Raanta.


You truly believe that with Shesterkin, the Canes wouldn't be a major hurdle for any team to beat?

Raanta has been good, but with Igor they are the favorite. They edged us out for goals against. Ours being so low was because of Igor. Theirs was mainly system. Igor + system = good luck other team.

 

[bernmeister]

After I wrote that you seem totally preoccupied with complimenting yourself, you did it again.

Not preoccupied.
It's a matter of better to be pissed off than pissed on.
And it is a matter of how those, apparently yourself included, do not accurate assess both blame where warranted and credit where credit is due.
To extent that happens, critics feel emboldened to go where they go, distorting the merits and demeaning the stature of those they criticize --- inaccurately. Fair and correct assessment of course, is something else. And btw, this applies not only to me, but to everybody.

I repeat --- tell it like it is, ENDEAVOR TO BE ACCURATE --- and let your conscience be your guide.

It's easy to have a revelation down the road.
I did the difficult thing of correctly assessing Chytil early on.

admit it.

 

[chosen]

Raanta has been good, but with Igor they are the favorite. They edged us out for goals against. Ours being so low was because of Igor. Theirs was mainly system. Igor + system = good luck other team.

I would love to see a game where the Rangers aren't constantly dumping and allowing Carolina to carry it down the ice. Just once this series.

Do it now. Let the players go in knowing who they are playing with.

Lafreniere - Zibanejad - Chytil
Kreider - Copp - Vatrano
Panarin - Strome - Kakko
Motte - Goodrow - Reaves

Big balls move. Carolina would have to seriously adjust their matchups on the fly and hope it works.

They all already know who they're playing with.