It will come down to timing (i.e. avoiding hot PPs) in the Spring. It sucks to be beholden to something out of the team’s control, but it is what it is.
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CanesUltimate11
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Put KK in that spot and then Staal in his spot on PP 2 or run Pesce and Skjei.
Unsustainable
Seth Jarvis has Big Kahunas
Patches will patch up the PP
whiskers
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Hoping Koko will become him , his early career stats looks the same
last few games Koko was good on 2nd PP , he should have replaced Noesen
Svechhammer
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Man the PP has been bad for 10 calendar months now. And I mean horrendously bad. Even with our recent success, we still rank 26th in the league, and this is coming off a playoff run where it had a conversion rate at around 8%. I'm not reacting based on tonight, I'm reacting at a long sustained stretch of awful execution with the man advantage. It's well beyond the point where this needed to be resolved, especially for a team like we are that has legitimate Cup aspirations.
Negan4Coach
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100% agree- that is the playbook on the Canes, and it was used in full force tonight. They started banging our guys around, caught a few penalties but nbd, got some bullshit ones to even it up, then took advantage of a Canes squad that was visibly intimidated and unwilling to respond in kind as always. Pesce had that little Vesey shit lined up to knock him into orbit with an open ice hit and pulled off at the last second.
This team will never see another cup until it commits to physical toughness. It is the achilles heel of the team in every era, it's very hard to understand why.
LakeLivin
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I haven't gotten caught up on the topic, but I wanted to say the refs made several bad calls tonight (hardly a rarity sadly), but the penalty on Martinook for playing the puck with a broken stick was awful for several reasons.
Firstly, because I honestly did not see in multiple replays him making contact with the puck, and secondly, as Tripp pointed out, it took him a little bit (like literally 1-2 seconds) to realize his stick broke and then he dropped it (as if the refs realize something in a nano second on a regular basis
). Finally, it's at the end of the game, the Canes are down a goal, and they effectively end the game right there with the penalty against the Canes. So often refs bury their whistles at the end of the game, and during overtime, to let the players play, and that's most notably been brought up with the playoffs at different points over the years (but hasn't actually been the case in reality). Not only should it have not been a penalty, they called a non-penalty to decide the game late in the 3rd period.
When there have been so many problems with the officiating in the league over the years, one can truly say that it is holding back the sport of hockey, and it's quality is diminished as a result.
Firstly, because I honestly did not see in multiple replays him making contact with the puck, and secondly, as Tripp pointed out, it took him a little bit (like literally 1-2 seconds) to realize his stick broke and then he dropped it (as if the refs realize something in a nano second on a regular basis
). Finally, it's at the end of the game, the Canes are down a goal, and they effectively end the game right there with the penalty against the Canes. So often refs bury their whistles at the end of the game, and during overtime, to let the players play, and that's most notably been brought up with the playoffs at different points over the years (but hasn't actually been the case in reality). Not only should it have not been a penalty, they called a non-penalty to decide the game late in the 3rd period.When there have been so many problems with the officiating in the league over the years, one can truly say that it is holding back the sport of hockey, and it's quality is diminished as a result.
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I haven't gotten caught up on the topic, but I wanted to say the refs made several bad calls tonight (hardly a rarity sadly), but the penalty on Martinook for playing the puck with a broken stick was awful for several reasons.
Firstly, because I honestly did not see in multiple replays him making contact with the puck, and secondly, as Tripp pointed out, it took him a little bit (like literally 1-2 seconds) to realize his stick broke and then he dropped it (as if the refs realize something in a nano second on a regular basis
When there have been so many problems with the officiating in the league over the years, one can truly say that it is holding back the sport of hockey, and it's quality is diminished as a result.
Gonna disagree with a lot of this. My stance on officiating has always been “If it’s a penalty, it’s a penalty” No matter the time, the score, whathaveyou, if they call it and it’s reasonable on replay, then I’ve got no issue with it.
And a lot of that happened tonight. Yes, Burns’ hooking call was helped along by the Rangers player (Z?) holding the stick against him. But Burns shouldn’t have had his stick around their waist in the first place, and in real time, I can see why the official would make that call. Likewise, the Martinook penalty. He broke his stick, he attempted to play the puck, that’s a penalty. Just because the official appeared to recognize the stick was broken before Martinook did doesn’t make it any less of one.
We should get Waddell an interview on Marek’s show anytime a player is injured (as the local guys get zip).
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I’d be totally fine with this if the NHL was consistent with how they called penalties but they just aren’t. We’ve seen too many instances in the postseason of referees swallowing their whistles (especially late in games) and it’s gets chalked up most of the time to “let em play.”
If that’s the case of when it matters the most then I’d just like to see them follow that standard 100% of the time. I’d also be fine with the vice versa of them calling penalties when they consistently see them regardless of game situation, status, or how many penalties have been taken by both teams, but that sounds way too practical for the NHL.
CanesUltimate11
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So it’s either someone too small to effectively battle in front of the net or one of two people with slow shots. Pick your poison.
For those who want to hear the interview and Marek's extended obsession with bucket colors:
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Waddell also talks about the risks of deadline deals and why they don't feel adding just to add is automatically the right move.
Boom Boom Apathy
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Noesen really wasn't in the bumper spot on the PP. He was the down low, net front guy. Aho has been the guy that has mostly been in the bumper spot for the Canes, which is the center ice / high slot area. A guy in the bumper spot needs to be able to not only shoot quickly, but find soft spots in the zone and make quick decisions to pass to the open guy on either half-wall as well. That's what Aho's been doing. That's what Point has done in the past in TB as well.
Noesen has been strictly a net front guy, creating screens, getting rebounds, and working behind the net. He's not ideal because behind the net, he's not skilled enough for there to be many options on what he's going to do with the puck, but he's very good at the net front/screening/cleaning up rebounds aspect and he's a handful because he works his ass off. So while he's not ideal, he's also decent at it.
If Staal had better hands he'd be ideal for that spot, but he doesn't have the hands. Jarvis has great hands and isn't afraid to go to the dirty areas, but he's small so more easy to move out of the way and/or doesn't provide enough of a screen. KK has better hands and good reach for the rebounds, but still is gangly so gets knocked off his skates too easily and doesn't have the quick feet to get to the right spots as quickly as you need that guy to. Martinook is the closest thing we have to Noesen, but he's far from ideal as well and doesn't have the nose for the net that Noesen does (although it would be fun to see the board's collective heads explode if he played there).
We really don't have an ideal guy for that spot outside of Noesen, who isn't ideal himself.
Thinking outside the box a little, I would personally try Skjei in that role. He's got size, strength and decent hands. I doubt Rod / Daniels would do that though and it might be more wear and tear on a top 4 D than we want to endure as that guy can take a beating.
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Some weird goals (pass to Trocheck, Pyotr thought Trocheck would get it, he didn't, it slides past). 2 deflection goals. One blind shot through like 6 guys. PK didn't play badly, just got short end of the stick on fluky goals/bounces. Burns was noticeably bad - 4(?) attempts to clear that failed (I think one at least led to a goal) - and a rookie(?) ref calling some bad calls - all in all yes, we lost, but it was just a odd, odd game all around.
Stickpucker
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Maybe RBA thinks the pp is executing well because it's doing what coaches want
?Logic follows if the pp is doing what you want and not successful over a long period of time....
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NHL average is about 22.5% - Canes are at about 19.5% - we get 3.5 PP chances per game. If we maintain that chance pace the rest of the year (44 games remaining) - we'll have 154 PP chances. If we execute at 25% (above average to try to get TO average, that gives us 8 more goals (25% of 154 = 38 compared to 19.5% of 154 = 30) than current pace, or a goal every 5-6 games. Not insignificant, but perhaps not a world beating improvement either. Hence we ALSO need to do what we do well all the time (forecheck, faceoffs, goaltending, 5v5) - sometimes shifting too much attention to a slightly worse area of the game can throw off other things.
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Thank you @AhosDatsyukian for most epic gdt man win streak in Canes history.
Rest up you're on deck for round one. We expect to get to the ECF on your back alone.
Rest up you're on deck for round one. We expect to get to the ECF on your back alone.
AhosDatsyukian
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AhosDatsyukian
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I think the streak ended because of my failure to recognize that this was a chance for vengeance immediately, no amount of editing after the fact could make up for it. Therefore I nominate @MrazeksVengeance to pick up the GDTs with a proper amount of vengeance.
