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Still haven't seen any of the "insiders" thinking the Habs may still possibly be considering drafting Michkov @ 5 so are they still gonna have a face to face meeting with him before the draft to make some believe that they still could take him @ 5?

Hey insiders.. Is it worth the risk for the Habs to wait on Michkov and take him @ 5?
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Hey insiders.. Is it worth the risk for the Coyotes or Flyers or any other team in the top 10 to wait on Michkov and take him between 6-10?
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Well that's exactly what it seems like when it comes to Michkov being drafted by the Habs vs everyone else. :nod:
 
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It's like those who insist on Ryan Leonard want to pull the wool over everybody's eyes: He is NOT going to be able to play to his own purported strengths in the NHL. It's physically impossible.

I have my doubts too. But he has had an outstanding season and the attributes he was able to show, albeit at this level, are very intriguing. I like him.

Certainly not over Michkov though, or anyone else in the top 5.
 
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This discussion reminds me so much of the talk about Crosby before the draft. (Yes he had his critics) and everybody were sure he would not succeed because he was too small. It was funny but yes people were serious when they claimed Crosby was too small. This discussion about Leonard being too small to play a power game reminds me that. Guess what Michkov is probably smaller than Leonard and Benson is smaller too but nobody talk about how their size will impact their efficiency in the NHL. As if the only attributes of Leonard was physicality and nothing else.

Leonard being 6'0 (he is closer to 6' than 5'11 before somebody point that out) has little impact of how he plays the game. Why? It's not that much about size but about winning board battle and 1 on 1. He is a beast at doing that.

Marchand is 5'9 and he is one of the hardest player to play against. Why? Compete! I see similar traits with Leonard but being also a bit taller.

People freaking out about Leonard size are hilarious especially after just claiming Slafkovsky is a bust. Make up your mind...
You're comparing Ryan Leonard to Sidney Crosby my man, take a breather maybe.

Leonard has a lot of strengths but the most over-emphasized one is his motor and tenacity and his willingness to engage in physicality and break inward -- he won't be able to do that in the NHL. It's worth remembering. I think a lot of people who've fallen for him (and who previously fell for Reinbacher, or Dvorsky before that) are intentionally avoiding this aspect.

Marchand is an outlier. He isn't the norm. Do you really think Leonard has PPG+ upside?

(btw nobody serious or genuine has called Slafkovsky a bust, put that aside please)
 
This discussion reminds me so much of the talk about Crosby before the draft. (Yes he had his critics) and everybody were sure he would not succeed because he was too small. It was funny but yes people were serious when they claimed Crosby was too small. This discussion about Leonard being too small to play a power game reminds me that. Guess what Michkov is probably smaller than Leonard and Benson is smaller too but nobody talk about how their size will impact their efficiency in the NHL. As if the only attributes of Leonard was physicality and nothing else.

Leonard being 6'0 (he is closer to 6' than 5'11 before somebody point that out) has little impact of how he plays the game. Why? It's not that much about size but about winning board battle and 1 on 1. He is a beast at doing that.

Marchand is 5'9 and he is one of the hardest player to play against. Why? Compete! I see similar traits with Leonard but being also a bit taller.

People freaking out about Leonard size are hilarious especially after just claiming Slafkovsky is a bust. Make up your mind...
I've been comparing Benson to Marchand because I feel he's exactly the type of player Hughes would want, but I actually think Leonard might remind Hughes more about Marchand than Benson because they player a similar game and both are smaller skilled power forwards. I still believe Benson will be come the better player and would prefer him to Leonard, but I guess if Leonard develops into Marchand then I'd def be happy to have him.

I'm still pissed that we're likely to skip on Michkov though. Especially since Arpon is saying that the reason why we'd skip on Michkov is cause we have Caufield already and that Michkov and Caufield are pretty much the same player. Like wouldn't you want to have 2 Caufields on your team!? And even if you do have 2 and you can't succeed, don't you think you can trade Caufield in 3 years when his value is going to be astronomical to find yourself a power forward and keep an even better version of Caufield instead??
 
You're comparing Ryan Leonard to Sidney Crosby my man, take a breather maybe.

Leonard has a lot of strengths but the most over-emphasized one is his motor and tenacity and his willingness to engage in physicality and break inward -- he won't be able to do that in the NHL. It's worth remembering. I think a lot of people who've fallen for him (and who previously fell for Reinbacher, or Dvorsky before that) are intentionally avoiding this aspect.

Marchand is an outlier. He isn't the norm. Do you really think Leonard has PPG+ upside?

(btw nobody serious or genuine has called Slafkovsky a bust, put that aside please)
Why can't he be a PPG player? Scoring is up in the NHL and he has all the tools. He's one of the best pure goal scorers in the draft, can skate, and has high hockey IQ and fortitude to find and get to the scoring areas.

Thinking his game is over-emphasized by motor and tenacity simply isn't a good assessment.
 
That’s an accurate snapshot of our dysfunctional, PTSD fan base.

Only thing missing is our obsession with size and how there’s always someone using a pic to determine who’s taller than who.
I feel like that dude is complaining for no reason. This is not different than 80% of the other drafts we've been through.

At some point you're gonna have to deal with uncertainty like an adult.
 
I'm still pissed that we're likely to skip on Michkov though. Especially since Arpon is saying that the reason why we'd skip on Michkov is cause we have Caufield already and that Michkov and Caufield are pretty much the same player. Like wouldn't you want to have 2 Caufields on your team!? And even if you do have 2 and you can't succeed, don't you think you can trade Caufield in 3 years when his value is going to be astronomical to find yourself a power forward and keep an even better version of Caufield instead??
If the Habs do pass on Michkov, that won't be the only reason. It won't even be a primary reason.
 
I've been comparing Benson to Marchand because I feel he's exactly the type of player Hughes would want, but I actually think Leonard might remind Hughes more about Marchand than Benson because they player a similar game and both are smaller skilled power forwards. I still believe Benson will be come the better player and would prefer him to Leonard, but I guess if Leonard develops into Marchand then I'd def be happy to have him.

I'm still pissed that we're likely to skip on Michkov though. Especially since Arpon is saying that the reason why we'd skip on Michkov is cause we have Caufield already and that Michkov and Caufield are pretty much the same player. Like wouldn't you want to have 2 Caufields on your team!? And even if you do have 2 and you can't succeed, don't you think you can trade Caufield in 3 years when his value is going to be astronomical to find yourself a power forward and keep an even better version of Caufield instead??

Yes, Apron's explanation makes no sense whatsoever.
 
Why can't he be a PPG player? Scoring is up in the NHL and he has all the tools. He's one of the best pure goal scorers in the draft, can skate, and has high hockey IQ and fortitude to find and get to the scoring areas.

Thinking his game is over-emphasized by motor and tenacity simply isn't a good assessment.
The preponderance of scouts and analysts do not think Leonard has PPG+ upside. It might happen, like it did with Marchand, but it isn't likely that every prospect ends up beyond his expected pre-draft ceiling -- so what are the odds that OUR prospect ends up beyond his pre-draft ceiling.

If we pick him, I sure hope it happens.
 
I feel like that dude is complaining for no reason. This is not different than 80% of the other drafts we've been through.

At some point you're gonna have to deal with uncertainty like an adult.
It’s meant tongue in cheek and for levity, as I see it. Of course he’s exaggerating but like any good satire, there are always kernels of truth. I’ve seen posters make comments on every one of those points over the months leading up to the draft.

We also have to be able to laugh at ourselves sometimes. That’s all this is.

If the Habs do pass on Michkov, that won't be the only reason. It won't even be a primary reason.
How about taking it one step further — in the unlikely event that the Habs are able to move up from their 5OA slot, it won’t be to draft Michkov.

I know most posters know this but there are still comments being made in here that claim the opposite.
 
It’s meant tongue in cheek and for levity, as I see it. Of course he’s exaggerating but like any good satire, there are always kernels of truth. I’ve seen posters make comments on every one of those points over the months leading up to the draft.

We also have to be able to laugh at ourselves sometimes. That’s all this is.


How about taking it one step further — in the unlikely event that the Habs are able to move up from their 5OA slot, it won’t be to draft Michkov.

I know most posters know this but there are still comments being made in here that claim the opposite.

Self deprecation via humour is severely underrated. Much like the "cocky jogger" post I replied you with, that's all that was.
 
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The preponderance of scouts and analysts do not think Leonard has PPG+ upside. It might happen, like it did with Marchand, but it isn't likely that every prospect ends up beyond his expected pre-draft ceiling -- so what are the odds that OUR prospect ends up beyond his pre-draft ceiling.

If we pick him, I sure hope it happens.
They definitely think he has PPG upside. Many might not project it but nobody out there thinks he doesn't have the potential to do it. He's too skilled and determined.

Going by probability, most of the top 5 won't achieve consistent year-to-year PPG production.

But seriously, imagine if he has something close to a Joe Pavelski type of career with consistent 75+ points seasons (had 77 this year) and provides great leadership and other intangibles such as extreme grit. You'd take that any day at #5. We're really splitting hairs on the magical PPG benchmark for success.
 
I've got a hypothetical. Say Mitchkov made us wait 5 or 8 years to come over, the Russian meanie, what if him coming over made his ELC coincide exactly with Montreal's best years for chances at the cup. Do you draft him then?

Please come answer my stupid and useless hypothetical or you're exhibiting cult-like behaviour.
Oh no, somebody is triggered :cry:
 
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Self deprecation via humour is severely underrated. Much like the "cocky jogger" post I replied you with, that's all that was.
I loved that clip so much that the jingle stuck in my head for a few hours. :laugh:
 
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Arpon was on the radio here in Vancouver (starts around the 49:45 mark):


They talk Dubois at first but get to some draft talk later in the interview. He basically reiterates a lot of what he's been saying:

- doesn't think they will go with Michkov based on all his conversations but can't rule it out completely
- if they do pick Michkov, hats off to them because it will be one of the greatest smokescreens ever
- one interesting tidbit was the thought is Arizona wants Reinbacher bad. If you make them think you're taking him, could be a pick swap opportunity here. My thought: maybe try to get our 2024 2nd back that we pissed away in the Dvorak deal? We then take Leonard at 6.
 
Not that I am necessarily optimistic, although I'm far more optimistic with this group than the last group.. just that I feel like we shouldn't hold past sins against a new group and we should give them some time to judge their work rather than allow ourselves to get too down on them because it may not go the way we'd do it, if we were in charge.
Yeah it's odd. To me, it should be an actual blank slate, not waiting until they overcome 20 years of fanbase baggage. I think it's just weird to worry so much about the legacy of the past 20 years as if Gainey/Gauthier/Bergevin were hiring coaches like St. Louis and trading for guys like Dach, or empowering young players like Caufield, Guhle, Barron, Xhekaj, etc. to make mistakes and grow without being benched for bad defensive coverage.

So Leonard plays a real nice, hard hitting power forward ( meaning he has skill for sure) game. He is 5'11" and 190 lbs. He is not going to be able to bowl over people in the NHL like he does now, how much will that affect his overall game ? Just throwing it out.
Eh. Leonard is plenty big for the way he actually uses his physicality. His success with the NTDP wasn't from running around the ice blowing guys up, he initiates contact and uses his edges and hands + explosive skating to create separation. Suzuki is approximately the same size and is perfectly capable of playing physical and using his body to create space where needed (and Leonard is a much better skater than Suzuki too). Lehkonen is around the same size and never had any trouble forechecking effectively or creating separation either. He's not really some big bruiser that relies on crushing people as his bread and butter.

Leonard has a lot of strengths but the most over-emphasized one is his motor and tenacity and his willingness to engage in physicality and break inward -- he won't be able to do that in the NHL.
Says who? As I mentioned above, is Lehkonen some big hulking bruiser? You've brought up Shaw before, he's about the same size or a little smaller than Lehkonen and Leonard too, and Shaw never struggled to engage physically as an NHLer. You don't need to blow people up to create separation, cut to the middle, or play physically, there are tons of players around 5'11 or 6'0 who are very effective forecheckers who use physical play to create space and then skate into it.

Physicality is part of his game, but Leonard is not being drafted "for" his size or to be a "big" player in the same way as Wood or Anderson or Slaf or whoever else we could care to mention. His projection/upside is primarily about his skill/skating/hands, and the physical element is an additional piece which allows him to unlock more value from his skating, shot, and hands than if he were RHP's size and forced to rely predominantly on elusiveness. He's big enough to get a step or a half-step ahead where he'll outskate defenders, he doesn't need to put a defender on his ass every single play to have success.
 
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You're comparing Ryan Leonard to Sidney Crosby my man, take a breather maybe.

Leonard has a lot of strengths but the most over-emphasized one is his motor and tenacity and his willingness to engage in physicality and break inward -- he won't be able to do that in the NHL. It's worth remembering. I think a lot of people who've fallen for him (and who previously fell for Reinbacher, or Dvorsky before that) are intentionally avoiding this aspect.

Marchand is an outlier. He isn't the norm. Do you really think Leonard has PPG+ upside?

(btw nobody serious or genuine has called Slafkovsky a bust, put that aside please)
Get a grip. I never compared Crosby to Leonard stop making ridiculous claim and make it sounds smart. The point was about thr incredible strength that showcased at 5'11 and nothing to do with their ability. Your agenda is tiresome, one minute you claim he is too small but I provide you of evidence about players smaller than your average NHL that are strong on ice and you claim this is not the norm? Guess what, Leonard is not the norm either, he is not ranked 6th overall by NHL scouts because he can deliver hits. There are way more nuance to his game.

To answer your question about him possible being more than ppg. 100% yes. No doubt in my mind, he is not less talented than Marchand and his compete is at the highest level.

How can you be definitive that Leonard could not play a power game in the NHL? From everything I have read and learn about the kid show unparraled work ethic and competitiveness.
 
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