Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[Whalers Fan]

Arpon probably learned to be a journalist on twitter.

Imagine not drafting Michkov because Caufield is in the team. That has to be the dumbest argument I've never seen about a draft pick.

It's like saying Let's not draft Bedard we already have Mcdavid and MacKinnon at that position who looks like them.

This guy is paid to write this garbage btw.

Imagine the bad scenario having Michkov and Caufield both playing RW.

That would be so bad!

Well, it could put a lot of wear and tear on the scoreboard.

 

[xX SEYF Xx]

6 days to go!
Less than a week now.

And yet this thread is already out of control.

People saving money before Michkov!! I'd save the human being before money even if it was Barlow!
Skunk piss?
And even people hating on Pizza??? Whats next? soccer is a boys game??

 

[Jaynki]

I would have picked Leonard before Slafkovsky last year.

Very telling about how Slafkovsky is a bad prospect and a bad pick. Mandala would have picked him after Leonard. Holy christ. Habs are so dumb.

 

[Adam Michaels]

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

And yet this thread is already out of control.

People saving money before Michkov!! I'd save the human being before money even if it was Barlow!
Skunk piss?
And even people hating on Pizza??? Whats next? soccer is a boys game??

To my defense, I'll use a fraction of the 10 million to send them a liferaft

 

[Rapala]

...well, yeah...Pictou County sucks...but we have the best pizza in the World...

If you can convert @HabsWhiteKnightLOL you get my vote.

 

[Schooner Guy]

Every analytic model is flawed like every analogue eye-test is flawed. The hardcore quant-analytics guys get things wrong but so do the analogue scouts. Similarly, sometimes I wondered if Therrien had ever seen a calculator much less knew how analytics worked.

It's all part of the effort to make a science out of something inherently organic and difficult to analyse.

I'm all about analytics adding to a player's assessment but Bader is a complete joke. If he couldn't tell Sanderson would be a stud, he shouldn't be allowed a platform to discuss hockey. I would rank Eklund's content as more reliable. Both are masters at finding suckers on the internet.

 

[habsfan891]

What time today will we see MacKenzie's final list?

 

[ReHabs]

I'm all about analytics adding to a player's assessment but Bader is a complete joke. If he couldn't tell Sanderson would be a stud, he shouldn't be allowed a platform to discuss hockey. I would rank Eklund's content as more reliable. Both are masters at finding suckers on the internet.

You’re repeating yourself — every single scout and analyst gets things catastrophically wrong. You can keep holding it against Bader but the arc of his work will bend toward being more precise as time goes on because it is a recursive learning model (not literally, sadly, but it will be iteratively improved as it has been).

Right now you could say he’s X% off from being reliable — that’s perfectly fair. Just as any analogue scout will have huge misses and isn’t intuitively 100% reliable.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

What time today will we see MacKenzie final list?

@FrankMTL said it's 7-30

 

[Schooner Guy]

With respect to Michkov etc, if they skip him and Michkov ends up working out it will be unforgivable. Michkov is exactly the player this organization and prospect pool needs. Arpon Basu is wrong, Caufield and Michkov are not comparable.

Well...one shoots left and the other shoots right. After that they are extremely comparable. Similar strengths. Similar weaknesses. HockeyProspect Black Book has several quotes from NHL scouts stating they are very identical.

Full kudos to Caufield for scoring at the NHL level. Not all undersized prospects who fill the net in the lower levels can do it in The Show.

 

[ReHabs]

Bobby Mac’s tweet strongly implies Michkov will be in the top10 of his list. Taking Mackenzie as bible, is therefore no reason to not draft him at 5. QED

Well...one shoots left and the other shoots right. After that they are extremely comparable. Similar strengths. Similar weaknesses. HockeyProspect Black Book has several quotes from NHL scouts stating they are very identical.

Full kudos to Caufield for scoring at the NHL level. Not all undersized prospects who fill the net in the lower levels can do it in The Show.

Michkov is a much better playmaker while being as good of a shooter and Michkov’s prospect profile is superior to Caufield’s prospect profile (at the time of his draft). They are two different tier’s of prospect.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Just a hypothetical dream scenario.

Dubois Dach Michkov
Slafkovsky Suzuki Caufield

We could interchange any of the 3 centers if need be. And add beef around the rest of the roster.

I believe I posted a similar top 6 a while back … and it’s not just the centers you can interchange.
Mix and match top 6.

 

[waffledave]

It's a silly exercise because NONE of these thing can be known. Why can't you understand this?

As for the defense yes I'd still draft him, that can be worked on. His talent far surpasses any concern I have about your hypothetical lack of defensive awareness, His hypothetical attitude would also have to be extremely damning for me to pass too.

Happy?

I don't understand why it's so difficult to just imagine a hypothetical.

You interview him before the draft. He tells you he signed a KHL extension that isn't known yet, and he will not be coming over for 5 years. Do you still draft him?

As for the defense, I'm not talking about a lack of defensive awareness. I'm talking about an attitude issue where he says "I don't play defense." Do you still take him if he straight up says that?

This isn't a gotcha thing or anything. I'm just trying to understand at which point the downsides/risk offsets his talent. It's ok to be honest, Michkov isn't going to read this.

1- If I’m sure he’s coming over in 5 years. Yes.
If I’m sure he’s coming in 8 years. No

2-Too vague. I don’t think he could play in the NHL if he refused to play defense. Many of his goals consist in turning over the puck. Does he not score those goals anymore?

For #2 it's within the context of his attitude and coachability. I agree he can't be an NHL player if he refuses to play defense. Ultimately it comes down to how much does talent override the downsides. That's what I'm trying to determine.

 

[The Real Timo]

So... Habs trade Gallagher and Armia for the 2nd overall pick in this draft. Who do they puck - Fantilli or Michkov?

 

[Ozmodiar]

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“Arpon’s opinion is like Woody Allen playing the clarinet. I don’t want to hear it.”
~ Ted Lasso

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

It can be watched at 11:30am?? Have the Fibe tv app, that would be perfect timing.

 

[waffledave]

1- You could say the same about any americans player finishing college like Caufield , that could just refuse to sign.

2- Attitude is something you cant work on. You can also learn to play better defensively. Do Oilers Care when McDavid gets 5 points a night and 2 brutal turnovers in the same game ? I dont think so. You are just thinking things that nobody in the planet can reply about his personality . The kid is cocky so what , that means he wants to win and score points. Nothing wrong with that. There is a reason why they are 3 forwards and 2 def on the ice.

If i remember correctly Caufield sure is fun to watch when he score goals , yet he's beyond garbage defensively but his offensive aspect is way positive than his defensive issues.

Don't forget he's still a kid

There's no need to resort to whataboutism here. This is a hypothetical, it's not trying to say we shouldn't draft Michkov. I just want to know where the line is.

Personally if he tells me he signed an extension in the KHL and isn't coming over for 5 years, I'm not taking him. I don't care how good he is, too much risk.

 

[Adam Michaels]

So... Habs trade Gallagher and Armia for the 2nd overall pick in this draft. Who do they puck - Fantilli or Michkov?

Habs trade Gallagher and Armia and they'll be so ecstatic they'll completely forget they have to go on the stage to make their selection, so their clock runs out and they end up forfeiting the pick.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

It's the day bobby margarita dominates the field what time does he drop it

Edit: just seen the post above 11:30 am it is

 

[Adam Michaels]

There's no need to resort to whataboutism here. This is a hypothetical, it's not trying to say we shouldn't draft Michkov. I just want to know where the line is.

Personally if he tells me he signed an extension in the KHL and isn't coming over for 5 years, I'm not taking him. I don't care how good he is, too much risk.

I think another factor is that they won't have much control on his development. He won't be coming over for development camps or any other camp. They'll pretty much be watching him from afar.

Whereas, anyone else they pick, they will have a more direct contact throughout their development. Whether it's someone they take out of Junior or College or even in Europe aside from the KHL. They'll be able to go see them, meet with them and communicate with them and their respective teams a lot more regularly.

So it could be a case of waiting 3 years for a player to come over vs. waiting 3 years for a player but they have constant communication and direct contact with throughout.

It's not to say Michkov should not be the selection. I'd be real happy if he is. But I believe that is also a factor.

 

[Colezuki]

Habs trade Gallagher and Armia and they'll be so ecstatic they'll completely forget they have to go on the stage to make their selection, so their clock runs out and they end up forfeiting the pick.

Out of curiosity is that what happens?

 

[waffledave]

Not Bader again. The same spazz who said Jake Sanderson had a 50% chance of being an NHL player and listed a bunch of journeymen D as his comparables. Anyone who watched Sanderson play for 5 minutes in his draft year knew he'd be a top pairing Dman.

Bader's everything that's wrong with the internet. I wonder if he's ever been in a rink.

He also ranked Slafkovsky at 16th overall last year.

 

[Adam Michaels]

Out of curiosity is that what happens?

I have no idea. I've never seen it happen. So I just made the scenario up. Although that could be what happens if they let the clock run out. I doubt they'd have a clock if there wasn't a repercussion if you run out of time.

 

[DramaticGloveSave]

It's the day bobby margarita dominates the field what time does he drop it

Edit: just seen the post above 11:30 am it is

This is the day the draft becomes real lol