Confirmed with Link: Canadiens Will Pick 5th (Hughes Presser in OP) NO POLITICS

[VirginiaMtlExpat]

Nick Lidstrom wasn’t available, Tavares was. Adding a star player up front as a UFA definitely made sense. He gave up nothing but cap space.

And precious goodwill of his star RFAs.

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

While this is true, the more significant issue was he gave Tavares a NMC (for the entirety of his contract) and set a new standard for future contract negotiations with his young stars.

Yes. As I said, he made mistakes. But it’s not the same thing as say… making David Desharnais your number one center. See the difference?

And precious goodwill of his star RFAs.

Yes. As I said, got bent over. Should’ve negotiated harder with them. No disagreement there.

 

[ZUKI]

The real question is - who would Marc Bergevin pick. Is there another KK in the draft?

he would trade down to get another pick in the second round

 

[Riggins]

he would trade down to get another pick in the second round

Then trade that for two 3rds

 

[BenchBrawl]

PK Subban had that quality. Pull you out if your seat as soon as he gets the puck.

I agree.

 

[BenchBrawl]

The Kotkianemi pick wasn't a bad choice at the time. Only because Hughes and Tkachuk are on fire now we think KK was a mistake. But KK might still yet find a new form as he gets into his mid-20s.

KK already played an impressive 58 playoff games, and he wasn't a total non-factor. He had his moments. This experience might come handy later on.

Plus, let's face it, like the 2022 draft last year, after the first two picks in 2017, it was a crapshoot. When it's a crapshoot, I'm less severe about the outcome. I judge a poker hand by how it's played with the information at the time, not by how it turned out.

 

[MXD]

Nick Lidstrom wasn’t available, Tavares was. Adding a star player up front as a UFA definitely made sense. He gave up nothing but cap space.

But the very signing of Tavares, the contract he gave Tavares and the (consequent) deals he signed with the reminder of his forward core meant he was absolutely nowhere near contention when one of the players he actually needed became available.

 

[BenchBrawl]

Tavares declined too quickly, but people forget how good he was back then. He singlehandedly dragged the Islanders deep into the 2nd round.

I wouldn't have it in me to blame Dubas for signing all those guys. Although I was always extremely skeptical of the "analytics" vibe he was sending off, and his alleged repulsion for toughness.

 

[MXD]

Tavares declined too quickly, but people forget how good he was back then. He singlehandedly dragged the Islanders deep into the 2nd round.

Thomas Greiss going full hot-streak and giving zero goals in 80 minutes of overtime over three games was a bigger factor in the Isles making it to the second round.

 

[sampollock]

Signing Tavares made zero sense, given their #1 need(s) were a top pairing Dman + top end G. There was enough offense to be had with the core-3

Ego , is why that deal was made

 

[malcb33]

Yes. As I said, he made mistakes. But it’s not the same thing as say… making David Desharnais your number one center. See the difference?

I was straight up responding to your comment regarding the Tavares signing in isolation.

I didn't mention anything about Bergy's poor decisions, nor did I say Dubas was a bad GM, so I'm really not sure, why you'd bring up Desharnais in response to me. But I hope you proved your point to whoever it was aimed at.

 

[Habsfan2992]

Interesting

Could you imagine 4th and 5th? Oh my!

 

[PlainGretzky]

We see it year after year that pure skill is just not getting it done when the PO start...

There's no denying that Kaprizov is more skilled than Tkachuk.

Minny got bounced in the first round 3 years in a row now...

I mean if we’re talking Matty here, the reason he’s getting a lot of points in the playoffs and playing well is because Barkov is taking a 90% of the harder matchups. Look at his Calgary days when he was on the first line dealing with harder matchups lol.

 

[Grand Admiral Thrawn]

Man I really want Matvei on the Habs!!

CC + MM = Goals!

2 potential 40+ goal scorers in your top 6.

Insane!

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

Benso
Dvorak2.0
Rain bencher
Leopard

We pick 5 not 6-7
Who cares about them

Smith Michkov or luck Carsson rest we don't care

The Kotkianemi pick wasn't a bad choice at the time. Only because Hughes and Tkachuk are on fire now we think KK was a mistake. But KK might still yet find a new form as he gets into his mid-20s.

KK already played an impressive 58 playoff games, and he wasn't a total non-factor. He had his moments. This experience might come handy later on.

Plus, let's face it, like the 2022 draft last year, after the first two picks in 2017, it was a crapshoot. When it's a crapshoot, I'm less severe about the outcome. I judge a poker hand by how it's played with the information at the time, not by how it turned out.

I don't know where u watched KK being relevant but he was god atrocious again in the playoffs let alone regular season, it's been 5 years lmao

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I’ll add my thoughts on Tavares in the out of town thread. It’s going to far off topic here.

 

[Skip Bayless]

The real question is - who would Marc Bergevin pick. Is there another KK in the draft?

Dvorsky

Benso
Dvorak2.0
Rain bencher
Leopard

We pick 5 not 6-7
Who cares about them

Smith Michkov or luck Carsson rest we don't care


I don't know where u watched KK being relevant but he was god atrocious again in the playoffs let alone regular season, it's been 5 years lmao

KK fans live in a different stratosphere than the rest of humanity

 

[BenchBrawl]

Benso
Dvorak2.0
Rain bencher
Leopard

We pick 5 not 6-7
Who cares about them

Smith Michkov or luck Carsson rest we don't care


I don't know where u watched KK being relevant but he was god atrocious again in the playoffs let alone regular season, it's been 5 years lmao

He scored the big goal against Toronto.

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

He scored the big goal against Toronto.

point being?

 

[nhlfan9191]

Benso
Dvorak2.0
Rain bencher
Leopard

We pick 5 not 6-7
Who cares about them

Smith Michkov or luck Carsson rest we don't care


I don't know where u watched KK being relevant but he was god atrocious again in the playoffs let alone regular season, it's been 5 years lmao

Kohtkaniemi is the poster boy of mediocrity so far in his career. Seemed like a good kid when he was here, so I wish him the best but there’s certainly no animosity or sleep lost over him being gone.

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

It’s Tavares’ cap space that has kept the Make Beliefs from making serious upgrades to D + G

Uh no. The problem was to not leverage one of their other top players in a trade to bolster D+G.

Getting a prime asset for free is always a good thing. You deal with the rest with trades.

 

[Sterling Archer]

Benson is around 5’9. Leonard is closer to 6’ and much heavier.

Benson is also far more skilled player than Leonard is and their size differential isn’t that far off to make Leonard a higher pick. The biggest difference is weight and that comes with age as your body develops. Benson also plays with an edge to his game and is no shrinking violet. Benson is clearly a better prospect than Leonard is.

 

[26Mats]

Interesting

Could you imagine 4th and 5th? Oh my!View attachment 714103

I can imagine 4th and 5th.

But it would take Dach, Suzuki, or Caufield to make it happen. I doubt Slaf or even Guhle get it done.

 

[salbutera]

Ok. I was searching the history of the group 10cc. Graham Gouldman wrote few song for other groups like For your Love (Cream) and Bus Stop by Hollies. Eric Stewart was in the group Minbenders. They were not great. They could play a fast tempo blues rock but nothing great except Groovy Kind of Love and Land of 1000 dances. Mindbenders were annoying in their early years of background group of the singer Wayne Fontana.. Not a great Wayne Fontana fan. My opinion

10cc have a strange story, 2 members splited to make a bizarre experimental record involving an invention that make a guitar sound like an electronic violon, it's the Gizmotron. A rotating metal ball that hits the chords, an ugly gizmo added to a guitar and it's unstable. A triple album total commercial flop. "Consequences" was the title of the album. But Creme and Godley were very entousiast making that album. . They (Godley and Creme) didn't reunite the 10 cc group after this flop. They started a company of videoclips in early 80's, Police was one of their customer. Creme and Stewart were brother in law because their spouses were sisters. They were apart in their careers so it did strange family reunions.

That's it for now, that was a resumé of 10cc and Minbenders.

Midge Ure (Ultravox) was Godley & Creme’s fist music video direction followed by Yes, Duran Duran, Frankie Goes to Hollywood, and Wang Chung. Most importantly, Godley & Crème’s music video for their single “Cry” was groundbreaking for the time

He scored the big goal against Toronto.

So did Weise during 2014 playoff run

 

[Andy]

Just checked, and didn't realize KK is still only 22 years old. Man, I don't get the bitterness here.

There's still plenty of room to grow. Didn't Sean Couturier only breakout in his 7th nhl season?

Sounds like a lot of wishful thinking here, i.e., people desperately hoping for him to fail.