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World Cup: Canada vs Sweden - who got the best D at world cup?

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Canadas D might be better, its hard to say, but the Swedish D fits Swedens style of play, so I wouldnt make a swap with Canada if that was possible anyway.

Its going to be exicting to see if the Swedish puckmovers can live up to thier reputation. OEL had a bit so and so Olympics, looked better when he played the worlds though (was it two years ago?). OEL loves to sneak up and try to score, you better watch up for him! Karlsson was Swedens best player last Olympics and should probably gain a lot of confidence from that fact even into this tournament. Hedman didnt get a chance last Olympics. Could be that he tries to much now that he can show himself off for those who only watch internationals (plenty of those in Sweden). Ekholm had a good/great playoff with Nashville, can he show the same form with Tre kronor? Strålman had the opposite but can show that he's back on track, and will probably play with Hedman. Hjalmarsson is never bad, can move the puck well too, not just a play it safe boards out guy and have a lot of merits already behind him, should enable him to play without showing nerves too much. Lindholm is the new kid, and have nothing too lose (well maybe a NHL contract if he gets badly injured...but lets hope that will never happen). Lindholm got a nice shot, could he see some PP? Or is it too much competition?
 
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Sorey said:
Sweden:

Karlsson
Hedman
OEL
Stralman
Lindholm
Hjalmarsson
Ekholm

Canada:

Burns
Weber
Doughty
Bouwmeester
Pietreangelo
Muzzin
Vlasic
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The difference maker is Karlsson, probably the best d-men that has ever play the game with a big margin. Otherwise I would have gave the edge to Canada

Karlsson








Burns


Hedman
OEL
Doughty
Pietreangelo


Weber
Vlasic

Lindholm
Stralman
Ekholm
Muzzin

Hjalmarsson
Bouwmeester
 
I'm pretty sure Karlsson will dominate against European countries and probably NA too just like he was able to do in the Olympics. But when it comes to playing against Canada, there is a big chance that his offensive game will be destroyed, just like happened in the Olympics. OK, for his defense I have to say that the swedish team was awful as a whole. If Sweden and Canada play against each other (if Finland does not reach the finals I hope it will be between Canada and Sweden) I would think that guys like Hedman and Doughty will be the best D-men.
 
snipes said:
This is objectively wrong. Ever heard of the name Bobby Orr?
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With all respect for Orr, that is like compare apples with oranges. Are you really saying that NHL was as good then as it is now, or even close to? It share the same name but that is about it. So much has happen.NHL then was more compareable with KHL now I would think.
 
ulvvf said:
With all respect for Orr, that is like compare apples with oranges. Are you really saying that NHL was as good then as it is now, or even close to? It share the same name but that is about it. So much has happen.NHL then was more compareable with KHL now I would think.
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Oh man.

I could absolutely shred this, but I won't bother. This comment will attract some attention I bet. Orr literally revolutionized the game and completely changed it.

You really should study Bobby Orr and come back and tell us what you think. Could be a learning experience for you. I imagine some other people won't be so nice in their response.
 
snipes said:
Oh man.

I could absolutely shred this, but I won't bother. This comment will attract some attention I bet. Orr literally revolutionized the game and completely changed it.

You really should study Bobby Orr and come back and tell us what you think. Could be a learning experience for you. I imagine some other people won't be so nice in their response.
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But that says more about them and you then about me.

Either the way, you didnt answer the question.
 
ulvvf said:
But that says more about them and you then about me.

Either the way, you didnt answer the question.
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Orr revolutionized and changed the game.

8 straight Norris trophies. Bobby's stretch from 1969-75 was the 2nd greatest peak performance in NHL history after Gretzky's 80s stretch.

I don't feel I should explain this to you.
 
Steveorama said:
LOL.
Karlsson isn't even the best now.
Comparing him to players like Orr (the greatest hockey player of all time) is ridiculous.
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Who would be better now? Who would even be close among d-men now? What Karlsson has done the last 5 years is nothing else but complete domination like nothing else in modern time among d-men, he has been as dominate as Gretzky was in NHL. But he has the wrong nationality, it do not seem to matter what he does, he still do not get the recognition for it, while McDavid do not even have to play one single senior game before he get the recognition as one of the best in the game.

Nostaligics may say Orr was better, and sure if you ignore that the league and game has become so much better you could be right.
 
ulvvf said:
With all respect for Orr, that is like compare apples with oranges. Are you really saying that NHL was as good then as it is now, or even close to? It share the same name but that is about it. So much has happen.NHL then was more compareable with KHL now I would think.
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So Sidney Crosby is the best player in history? Or is it Backstrom?
 
snipes said:
Orr revolutionized and changed the game.

8 straight Norris trophies. Bobby's stretch from 1969-75 was the 2nd greatest peak performance in NHL history after Gretzky's 80s stretch.

I don't feel I should explain this to you.
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The fact the you refer to a arbitrarily trophy says it all really for 2 reason, 1 it is a really bad argument for how good a player is, because it is arbitrarily and not objective and my argument is just that the level of the league was so low then compare to now so it do not matter how dominated he was, I havnt said anything about him not being the best d-men of his generation. But If a player win 20 straight trophies for the best player in the french league should that hold any weight for who is the best player in the world?

Either way you still have not answer the simple question despite you obviously thinking you are right and have send 2 replies, do not that say something about you? You can not argu in a intelligent matter when the opionion is annoying to you. But that goes for most people.
 
True Hockey Fan said:
So Sidney Crosby is the best player in history? Or is it Backstrom?
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Crosby hasnt been even close to as dominated among forwards as Karlsson has been among d-men. crosby didnt even come close to winning the scoring league this year, he was pretty far away from Kane.
 
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ulvvf said:
Crosby hasnt been even close to as dominated among forward as Karlsson has been among d-men.
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You were doing so well before. You've made it too obvious now, you had me fooled initially. Not bad.
 
ulvvf said:
Who would be better now? Who would even be close among d-men now? What Karlsson has done the last 5 years is nothing else but complete domination like nothing else in modern time among d-men, he has been as dominate as Gretzky was in NHL. But he has the wrong nationality, it do not seem to matter what he does, he still do not get the recognition for it, while McDavid do not even have to play one single senior game before he get the recognition as one of the best in the game.

Nostaligics may say Orr was better, and sure if you ignore that the league and game has become so much better you could be right.
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Orr's domination was more thorough in the modern era.

I am also curious about the case that Karlsson dominates more than Gretzky did.

ulvvf said:
The fact the you refer to a arbitrarily trophy says it all really for 2 reason, 1 it is a really bad argument for how good a player is, because it is arbitrarily and not objective and my argument is just that the level of the league was so low then compare to now so it do not matter how dominated he was, I havnt said anything about him not being the best d-men of his generation. But If a player win 20 straight trophies for the best player in the french league should that hold any weight for who is the best player in the world?

Either way you still have not answer the simple question despite you obviously thinking you are right and have send 2 replies, do not that say something about you? You can not argu in a intelligent matter when the opionion is annoying to you. But that goes for most people.
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What is your objective case for Karlsson?
 
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JackSlater said:
What is your objective case for Karlsson? I would also be interested in knowing how he dominates at a similar level to Gretzky, as stated in a different post of yours.
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Read his very next post. Gives it away.
 
Neither Crosby, Orr or Gretzky is a part of this discussion. If someone have to compare Karlsson with someone, compare him to one of the defensemen in the upcoming rosters.
 
Tomas W said:
Neither Crosby, Orr or Gretzky is a part of this discussion. If someone have to compare Karlsson with someone, compare him to one of the defensemen in the upcoming rosters.
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The best comparable for Karlsson is Coffey.
 
ulvvf said:
That is the level of response I have got used to from you. Think what you want of my
opinions but I do back them up with real arguments and not lols.
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Would you expect different from anyone?

You just called Karlsson the best defenseman of all time AINEC.

cmon,a classic post meant to needle people that deserved a laughing face in response.
 
Dear lord... Can we please not?
 
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