GDT: Canada vs Česko

[karhukissa]

A whole 7 years in the history of the tournament?? Wow!

What about all the other years?

Also the Americans never do it because they rarely win. Kinda hard to claim “we the best” when that’s the case.

I said Canada is the best now, but being superior means that you are basically untouchable. Any given day, any of the top 5 nations can beat Canada, that's not superior. You are the best, not superior which has been my point all the time. Americans will be the best in few years, because they are likely take over the throne, but not superior.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Halifax is one of the best-kept secrets in Canada. Great town.

Really growing at a crazy rate as well, but still keeping that “small town” feel despite growing to around 400k I believe?

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

WJC, Canada for many years sent Memorial cup teams.
Olympics, Canada for many years sent amateurs.
The 72 Series where out of shape NHL players beat a well oiled Soviet team on hostel ice defined Canadian hockey for ever.

The '72 series wasn't just played in Russia. It was split and Canada sucked in Canada.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

For some reason you didn't include WHC

To truly understand the depth of how little Canada regards that tournament, you'd have to live here and be a part of Hockey Canada. Trust me, winning tournament that is about is less important to Canadians as getting the full set of hockey cards as Tim Hortons. Players stay home from that tournament because they have golf trips planned or weddings to attend.

 

[nbwingsfan]

I said Canada is the best now, but being superior means that you are basically untouchable. Any given day, any of the top 5 nations can beat Canada, that's not superior. You are the best, not superior which has been my point all the time. Americans will be the best in few years, because they are likely take over the throne, but not superior.

McDavid is clearly superior than anyone else, yet sometimes someone else beats him.

When like 99% of the all time greats are Canadian, when the vast majority of medals are Canadian, when the vast majority of NHL players are Canadian… yeah you’re superior.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

That’s a real hard one for the Canada haters to admit.



i know I’m in agreement with you.

I was showing that even when you include the absolute best of Russia/Soviet Union they still come up way behind Canada.

There’s no one close right now. It’s like you said in short tournaments there will be countries who can beat Canada here and there, but as a whole Canada is still way ahead of everyone else

Yeah, I was replying to two people at once. I edited to make it clearer. Sorry bud.

 

[karhukissa]

damn, I really did embarrass myself here!

Honestly enjoyed it all, especially the facts. Like how registered player counts somehow undermine dominance in a sport. Gotta scratch your head because in that regard all of Czechia + Canada is still less than USA. Not to mention what that says about USA dominance of basketball with 20-some million more registered players than any other nation.

This whole superiority and dominance thing wouldn't be even discussed here if you Canadian hockey fans wouldn't repeat it all the time like a broken record.

 

[karhukissa]

To truly understand the depth of how little Canada regards that tournament, you'd have to live here and be a part of Hockey Canada. Trust me, winning tournament that is about is less important to Canadians as getting the full set of hocke cards as Tim Hortons. Players stay home from that tournament because they have golf trips planned or weddings to attend.

I have lived and played hockey in Canada, i know that. That's not the point, because back in the day Canada sent very strong teams there so didn't see any reason not to count those medals. And other teams send their b teams aswell so.

 

[Aaaaaaaaaaaaa]

This whole superiority and dominance thing wouldn't be even discussed here if you Canadian hockey fans wouldn't repeat it all the time like a broken record.

It's because people like yourself will bring up the WHC or Spengler Cup to try and make it seem like Canada isn't going to win best on best tournaments.

This is why I get so pissed at all the pencil necks at the NHL, NHLPA and IIHF. Get your crap together, lets put McDavid, Crosby and any Canadian with a hockey stick on a line and put this debate to bed...again...for a couple of years.

 

[karhukissa]

It's because people like yourself will bring up the WHC or Spengler Cup to try and make it seem like Canada isn't going to win best on best tournaments.

This is why I get so pissed at all the pencil necks at the NHL, NHLPA and IIHF. Get your crap together, lets put McDavid, Crosby and any Canadian with a hockey stick on a line and put this debate to bed...again...for a couple of years.

Nah, that record starts to play immediately after you've won. We have to see best on best tournament to find out, it's equally hilarious to think that Canada would just walk over USA and others on a best on best.

 

[Dr Pepper]

It's because people like yourself will bring up the WHC or Spengler Cup to try and make it seem like Canada isn't going to win best on best tournaments.

This is why I get so pissed at all the pencil necks at the NHL, NHLPA and IIHF. Get your crap together, lets put McDavid, Crosby and any Canadian with a hockey stick on a line and put this debate to bed...again...for a couple of years.

I'm still waiting on them to allow Russian teens to play again.

It's a travesty that they haven't been included.

 

[nbwingsfan]

Nah, that record starts to play immediately after you've won. We have to see best on best tournament to find out, it's equally hilarious to think that Canada would just walk over USA and others on a best on best.

I mean we’ve won like 5/6 of the last BoB at the mens level so…

 

[karhukissa]

I mean we’ve won like 5/6 of the last BoB at the mens level so…

Well it's in the past and especially USA is almost on par with the best Canadian roster.

 

[Voight]

Olympics were not an even playing field until 1998. Especially during the Cold War when the Eastern Bloc sent full time athletes instead of amateurs like everybody else.

 

[jj cale]

Nah, that record starts to play immediately after you've won. We have to see best on best tournament to find out, it's equally hilarious to think that Canada would just walk over USA and others on a best on best.

Man, you've got to walk away from this at some point, the game doesn't even involve your team.

And you know perfectly well the bullshit gloating and bragging that goes on whenever Finland or any other team wins this thing or other tournaments, it's a brag fest from so many, same as with Canadian fans. The trolling in Canada threads is also easily the worst for any team, every fans nations pile on with their worst guys., stop trying to convince us we are the bad guys around here.

We are no better or no worse then the lot of you and you damn well know that, you've been here long enough to know it and you're far from stupid.

Time to stop bringing out this overplayed old fiddle tune tournament after tournament..

 

[karhukissa]

Man, you've got to walk away from this at some point, the game doesn't even involve your team.

And you know perfectly well the bullshit gloating and bragging that goes on whenever Finland or any other team wins this thing or other tournaments, it's a brag fest from so many, same as with Canadian fans. The trolling in Canada threads is also easily the worst for any team, every fans nations pile on with their worst guys., stop trying to convince us we are the bad guys around here.

We are no better or no worse then the lot of you and you damn well know that, you've been here long enough to know it and you're far from stupid.

Time to stop bringing out this overplayed old fiddle tune tournament after tournament..

You're right, congrats for the win you've been always fair when winning or losing.

 

[Hanji]

WJC, Canada for many years sent Memorial cup teams.
Olympics, Canada for many years sent amateurs.
The 72 Series where out of shape NHL players beat a well oiled Soviet team on hostel ice defined Canadian hockey for ever.

If you know your history, the Soviets weren't a well oiled machine in 1972. It was a team fractured by political infighting who had no experience in a Stanley Cup-like extended series format.
In many ways it was Canada who had the advantage.

 

[Joe Zanussi]

Just wanted to write this somewhere: I was a U.S. fan in Moncton and had a great time. The Canadian fans were awesome to talk to and the town did a great job.

 

[sawchuk1971]

When exactly was the Soviet Union superior? Since best-on-best tournaments started with the Summit Series, here are the results:

Summit Series: Canada
Canada Cup: Canada won 4 out of 5 Cups, Soviets 1.
Word Cup of Hockey: Canada won 2 out of 3 (Soviet Union didn't exist, Russia didn't win any)
Olympics (starting with 1998 when pros were first allowed to play): Canada won 3 out of 7 (Again no Soviets but Russia won 1)

That's 16 best on best tournaments that Canada and either the Soviets or Russia competed in. Canada has won 10, Soviets/Russia 2.

So again, when did this Soviet superiority occur?



Not true at all in best-on-best tournaments. See my post above.

1963-1976 the soviets dominated world championship games....

look it up in wikipedia..

Ice Hockey World Championships - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Peiskos]

Keep your cookie, we’ve already got the gold medal


Yeah and the NHL cast off routinely end up top players in the KHL while many KHL stars flame out in the NHL..

It’s really weird trying to say the Canadian program “isn’t all that great” when they simply just mop the floor with everyone else.

Lol exactly, the double standards and obvious salt on here is so funny. If any other country managed back to back world junior golds all we'd hear about is their utter dominance and how the future is all that country.

 

[Hanji]

We've beat you many times during recent years, your excuses were equally fun to listen. Were you one of them who sent hate email to the stick manufacturers?

These same mouthbreathers have been pain in my back for the past few years, win or lose. Always same mantra about Canada being superior, even if they get their asses kicked.

Maybe we're discussing semantics, but Canada has always been the #1 hockey nation. That however doesn't mean they've always had the #1 national team.
The two aren't mutually exclusive.

 

[Peiskos]

Notice the difference between population and registered hockey players.

The US has more registered hockey players than Canada. Yet Canada still wins more often, again this registered players mumbo jumbo has been thoroughly debunked, it's time to stop grasping at that.

 

[Peiskos]

I said Canada is the best now, but being superior means that you are basically untouchable. Any given day, any of the top 5 nations can beat Canada, that's not superior. You are the best, not superior which has been my point all the time. Americans will be the best in few years, because they are likely take over the throne, but not superior.

Lol based on what though? Canada has had much more success at junior levels than Americans have in recent years. There isn't any indicators to suggest this.

 

[Peiskos]

Nah, that record starts to play immediately after you've won. We have to see best on best tournament to find out, it's equally hilarious to think that Canada would just walk over USA and others on a best on best.

The fact is you're just denying history, look at all the best vs best tournaments that have taken place, Canada has won pretty much all of them, no other country has won more than 1. So yes there is actually merit when Canadians say our best team will walk over other teams. It's backed up by actual data, this is the part you seem to be forgetting.

 

[sawchuk1971]

McDavid is clearly superior than anyone else, yet sometimes someone else beats him.

When like 99% of the all time greats are Canadian, when the vast majority of medals are Canadian, when the vast majority of NHL players are Canadian… yeah you’re superior.

if canadians were so "superior", why do canadian hockey players decide to take on american citizenship when they play for american NHL teams?