WJC: Canada 2018 Roster Talk

[CanCHI]

Depends what you define as playing their way onto the team. It isn’t very often, if ever a player comes out of no where (not on HC radar at all) to light a league on fire to the point where they deserve a spot on the team. Most of the time if you deserve a shot at the team you’re a known commodity.

I would argue that Mathieu Joseph played his way onto the team last year. He was at the summer camp but I don’t think many people were pencilling him onto the roster last summer, his play last year is why he made the team. Same thing with Anthony Cirelli.

Nope. Both known commodities drafted as 17 year olds

 

[Statsy]

Coming out of nowhere to light a league up should definitely earn you a camp invite... not a guaranteed roster spot. Many players have been given a look at the December camp but just weren't as dynamic as they were with their club team. That's really not surprising either, considering all the different factors that can affect your play (linemates, PP time, confidence, etc...) in a different team setting. So, yes, these guys that aren't Program Of Excellence players should still get a camp tryout, but the rest is up to them and how they perform during that moment.

 

[Dodospice]

Nope. Both known commodities drafted as 17 year olds

If your qualifications have to be that they weren’t drafted, then make me a list of guys that deserve to be there because there isn’t many, if any that do. HC will know almost every prospect in their systems, there isn’t many guys like Tanner Pearson out there.

 

[JackSlater]

Nope. Both known commodities drafted as 17 year olds

Few would have projected those players to make team Canada before the season started. They played their way onto the team. It's ridiculous to assert that only players like Pearson or Lipon "played their way onto the team". Almost as ridiculous as asserting that the team is 95% picked beforehand and only 5% based on performance. Hockey Canada generally picks the best players, and of course most of the best players have been drafted and have played for Hockey Canada before.

 

[CanCHI]

Few would have projected those players to make team Canada before the season started. They played their way onto the team. It's ridiculous to assert that only players like Pearson or Lipon "played their way onto the team". Almost as ridiculous as asserting that the team is 95% picked beforehand and only 5% based on performance. Hockey Canada generally picks the best players, and of course most of the best players have been drafted and have played for Hockey Canada before.

The facts are there look at the rosters over the past bunch of seasons constantly leaving off players currently dominating, having guys on the team that have played less than 5 games leading into the tourney.

The fact that no one is sure that Steenbergen is going to make it despite having one of the most dominant seasons in the last 2 decades to this point is proof. Much like how Sam Steel was left off last year. When you haven't won Gold outside of Peak McDavid junior year in 7 years it's a joke and a half.

 

[Dodospice]

The facts are there look at the rosters over the past bunch of seasons constantly leaving off players currently dominating, having guys on the team that have played less than 5 games leading into the tourney.

The fact that no one is sure that Steenbergen is going to make it despite having one of the most dominant seasons in the last 2 decades to this point is proof. Much like how Sam Steel was left off last year. When you haven't won Gold outside of Peak McDavid junior year in 7 years it's a joke and a half.

The other teams are consistently getting better, this isn’t the early to mid 2000’s where Canada is expected to win every gold going into the WJC.

If you look over the past 5 years, the USA has been putting out more talented players than Canada and other countries aren’t lacking either. Canada will win a gold and it might be this season but to think not winning in 7 years is a product of the way they pick teams isn’t true. Other countries have simply been putting out better players and in a 1 game elimination, anything can happen. The unpredictability of the tournament the last 10 years has made this tournament better IMO.

 

[Adonis Creed]

Lafreniere should egt an invite over Comtois...playing way better than him right now....

HC is a pure joke

 

[Statsy]

Victor Mete was a +5 tonight in the Montreal win. Looks like we might have to rewrite that Canada D lineup again.

 

[canuck2010]

Not sure why you say the USA has turned out more talented players over the last 5 years than Canada.

 

[Hagstrom]

Victor Mete was a +5 tonight in the Montreal win. Looks like we might have to rewrite that Canada D lineup again.

I mean, Montreal won 10-1

 

[PecnoTrunk]

Not sure why you say the USA has turned out more talented players over the last 5 years than Canada.

Mathews
Eichel
Warinski
Jones
Keller


Vs
Mcdavid

 

[canuck2010]

Murray
Rielly
Parayko
MacKinnon
Monahan
Nurse
Horvat
Morrissey
Ekblad
Marner
Barzal
Chabot
Luc Dubois
Jost
Chychrun

PLus 2017 draft possibilities

Patrick
Makar
Glass
Rasmussen
Tippett
Vilardi
Suzuki
Foote

 

[Statsy]

This year's winner of worst forum post goes to...

Mathews
Eichel
Warinski
Jones
Keller


Vs
Mcdavid

 

[BrettM]

It's been anticipated by numerous outlets that Hockey Canada will announce it's selection camp roster this coming Monday so with that it mind I've taken the liberty by creating MY selection camp predictions by inviting nineteen forwards, ten defenceman and three goalies. Below my selection camp roster I will elicit my final roster. As a disclaimer I'm working under the assumption that Pierre-Luc Dubois, Tyson Jost and Samuel Girard won't be loaned back but Victor Mete will. Didn't even entertain the notion over Nolan Patrick.

D

Jake Bean-Calgary Hitmen WHL 1998'
Kale Clague-Brandon Wheat Kings WHL 1998
Dennis Cholowski-Prince George Cougars WHL 1998
Dante Fabbro-Boston University 1998
Cal Foote-Kelowna Rockets WHL 1998
Samuel Girard-Colorado Avalanche 1998*
Cale Makar-UMASS-Amherst 1998
Victor Mete-Montreal Canadiens 1998*
Logan Stanley-Kitchener Rangers OHL 1998
Connor Timmins-Sault Ste.Marie Greyhounds OHL 1998

*ALTERNATE Pierre-Olivier Joseph-Charlottetown Islanders QMJHL 1999(If Girard can't go)
**ALTERNATE David Quenneville-Medicine Hat Tigers WHL 1998(If Girard and Mete can't go)

F
Jonathan Ang-Peterborough Petes OHL 1998
Tyler Benson-Vancouver Giants WHL 1998
Maxime Comtois-Victoriaville Tigres QMJHL 1999
Dillon Dube-Kelowna Rockets WHL 1998
Pierre-Luc Dubois-Columbus Blue Jackets 1998
Cody Glass-Portland Winterhawks WHL 1999
Brett Howden-Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 1998
Tyson Jost-Colorado Avalanche 1998
Boris Katchouk-Sault Ste.Marie Greyhounds OHL 1998
Jordan Kyrou-Sarnia Sting OHL 1998
Pascal Laberge-Victoriaville Tiges QMJHL 1998
Michael McLeod-Mississauga Steelheads OHL 1998
Matthew Phillips-Victoria Royals WHL 1998
Taylor Raddysh-Erie Otters OHL 1998
Sam Steel-Regina Pats WHL 1998
Tyler Steenbergen-Swift Current Broncos WHL 1998
Nick Suzuki-Owen Sound Attack OHL 1998
Robert Thomas-London Knights OHL 1999
Owen Tippett-Mississauga Steelheads OHL 1999

***ALTERNATE Adam Mascherin-Kitchener Rangers OHL 1998
***SECOND ALTERNATE Alex Formenton-London Knights OHL 1999
G
Michael DiPietro-Windsor Spitfires OHL 1999
Carter Hart-Everett Silvertips WHL 1998
Samuel Harvey-Rouyn-Noranda Huskies QMJHL 1998


LW C RW
Kyrou Steel Raddysh
Dube McLeod Tippett
Suzuki Phillips Steenbergen
Comtois Thomas Benson
Katchouk


LD RD
Fabbro Clague
Makar Foote
Mete Stanley
Timmins

G:

Hart
Harvey

Captain:Fabbro
Assistant:Clague
Assistantube
Assistant:McLeod

 

[Dodospice]

Not sure why you say the USA has turned out more talented players over the last 5 years than Canada.

This is just my opinion but look at the players the USA has had at the WJC and put into the NHL vs what Canada has sent

USA:
Gaudreau, Matthews, Eichel, Keller, Trocheck, Boeser, Tkachuk, Larkin, DeBrincat, Miller, Galchenyuk, Schmaltz, Dvorak, Werenski, Jones, Slavin, Trouba, Gostisbehere, McAvoy, Hanifin, Gibson, Demko, Oettinger

Vs

Canada:
Huberdeau, McDavid, MacKinnon, Drouin, Scheifele, Marner, Fabbri, Horvat, Reinhart, Mantha, Nugent-Hopkins, Point, Barzal, Rielly, Ekblad, Theodore, Hamilton, Chabot, Dumba, Morrissey, Dumba, Hart, Subban

I think it’s clear that the USA has been producing better defenceman by far, the goaltending is way ahead of where Canada is and the forwards high end players match Canada’s and the depth is really close to Canada’s. I’m a Canadian and want them to win but the USA in my opinion, has put out better players overall.

 

[Dodospice]

Lafreniere should egt an invite over Comtois...playing way better than him right now....

HC is a pure joke

I’d possibly bring him but his shot at making the team is nil. He isn’t there this year, he will be there next year and the year after. I’d bring him for the invite and the chance to compete for a spot but he isn’t going to make it so in sense it doesn’t make sense to even bring him.

 

[Statsy]

This is just my opinion but look at the players the USA has had at the WJC and put into the NHL vs what Canada has sent

USA:
Gaudreau, Matthews, Eichel, Keller, Trocheck, Boeser, Tkachuk, Larkin, DeBrincat, Miller, Galchenyuk, Schmaltz, Dvorak, Werenski, Jones, Slavin, Trouba, Gostisbehere, McAvoy, Hanifin, Gibson, Demko, Oettinger

Vs

Canada:
Huberdeau, McDavid, MacKinnon, Drouin, Scheifele, Marner, Fabbri, Horvat, Reinhart, Mantha, Nugent-Hopkins, Point, Barzal, Rielly, Ekblad, Theodore, Hamilton, Chabot, Dumba, Morrissey, Dumba, Hart, Subban

I think it’s clear that the USA has been producing better defenceman by far, the goaltending is way ahead of where Canada is and the forwards high end players match Canada’s and the depth is really close to Canada’s. I’m a Canadian and want them to win but the USA in my opinion, has put out better players overall.

Looks pretty even to me.

 

[newfy]

How do you guys think Canada projects their rosters? I'm a wings fan which is kond of why I'm asking I guess. Rasmussen and Cholowski both dont have eye popping numbers but Rasmussen is first on his team in point per game and looked like one of the better players against Russia. Cholowski is a close second on his team in points and points per game but the team isnt as high scoring as some so his numbers arent huge either.

Do you think Canada takes this into account?For example, Brett Howden has what look like really good numbers, but theyre only good for 6th on his team (pretty crazy given his stat line actually).

I personally think this is factored in, mixed with viewing of players, age, and draft position (sometimes to the detriment of the team). How would you guys look at it/how do you think Canada does?

 

[Stizzle]

It's been anticipated by numerous outlets that Hockey Canada will announce it's selection camp roster this coming Monday so with that it mind I've taken the liberty by creating MY selection camp predictions by inviting nineteen forwards, ten defenceman and three goalies. Below my selection camp roster I will elicit my final roster. As a disclaimer I'm working under the assumption that Pierre-Luc Dubois, Tyson Jost and Samuel Girard won't be loaned back but Victor Mete will. Didn't even entertain the notion over Nolan Patrick.

D

Jake Bean-Calgary Hitmen WHL 1998'
Kale Clague-Brandon Wheat Kings WHL 1998
Dennis Cholowski-Prince George Cougars WHL 1998
Dante Fabbro-Boston University 1998
Cal Foote-Kelowna Rockets WHL 1998
Samuel Girard-Colorado Avalanche 1998*
Cale Makar-UMASS-Amherst 1998
Victor Mete-Montreal Canadiens 1998*
Logan Stanley-Kitchener Rangers OHL 1998
Connor Timmins-Sault Ste.Marie Greyhounds OHL 1998

*ALTERNATE Pierre-Olivier Joseph-Charlottetown Islanders QMJHL 1999(If Girard can't go)
**ALTERNATE David Quenneville-Medicine Hat Tigers WHL 1998(If Girard and Mete can't go)

F
Jonathan Ang-Peterborough Petes OHL 1998
Tyler Benson-Vancouver Giants WHL 1998
Maxime Comtois-Victoriaville Tigres QMJHL 1999
Dillon Dube-Kelowna Rockets WHL 1998
Pierre-Luc Dubois-Columbus Blue Jackets 1998
Cody Glass-Portland Winterhawks WHL 1999
Brett Howden-Moose Jaw Warriors WHL 1998
Tyson Jost-Colorado Avalanche 1998
Boris Katchouk-Sault Ste.Marie Greyhounds OHL 1998
Jordan Kyrou-Sarnia Sting OHL 1998
Pascal Laberge-Victoriaville Tiges QMJHL 1998
Michael McLeod-Mississauga Steelheads OHL 1998
Matthew Phillips-Victoria Royals WHL 1998
Taylor Raddysh-Erie Otters OHL 1998
Sam Steel-Regina Pats WHL 1998
Tyler Steenbergen-Swift Current Broncos WHL 1998
Nick Suzuki-Owen Sound Attack OHL 1998
Robert Thomas-London Knights OHL 1999
Owen Tippett-Mississauga Steelheads OHL 1999

***ALTERNATE Adam Mascherin-Kitchener Rangers OHL 1998
***SECOND ALTERNATE Alex Formenton-London Knights OHL 1999
G
Michael DiPietro-Windsor Spitfires OHL 1999
Carter Hart-Everett Silvertips WHL 1998
Samuel Harvey-Rouyn-Noranda Huskies QMJHL 1998


LW C RW
Kyrou Steel Raddysh
Dube McLeod Tippett
Suzuki Phillips Steenbergen
Comtois Thomas Benson
Katchouk


LD RD
Fabbro Clague
Makar Foote
Mete Stanley
Timmins

G:

Hart
Harvey

Captain:Fabbro
Assistant:Clague
Assistantube
Assistant:McLeod

Just as a Flyers fan I must comment that Pascal Laberge has no business being even considered for a camp invite. He is a huge dissapointment. On the flip side Morgan Frost is excellent, yet gets almost no buzz at all.

 

[landy92mack29]

If Timmins makes Canada they're in big trouble as he's terrible defensively, turns the puck over a lot and can't skate for ****. His offense is great but you can't afford to have that risky of a player in this tournament

If I was making the team It'd be

Tippett-McLeod-Kyrou
Suzuki-Glass-Raddysh
Rasmussen-Steel-Dube
Comtois-Thomas-Steenbergen
Howden

Clague-Foote
Cholowski-Makar
Bean-Mahura
Fabbro/Stanley

Hart
DiPietro

 

[tigervixxxen]

How do you guys think Canada projects their rosters? I'm a wings fan which is kond of why I'm asking I guess. Rasmussen and Cholowski both dont have eye popping numbers but Rasmussen is first on his team in point per game and looked like one of the better players against Russia. Cholowski is a close second on his team in points and points per game but the team isnt as high scoring as some so his numbers arent huge either.

Do you think Canada takes this into account?For example, Brett Howden has what look like really good numbers, but theyre only good for 6th on his team (pretty crazy given his stat line actually).

I personally think this is factored in, mixed with viewing of players, age, and draft position (sometimes to the detriment of the team). How would you guys look at it/how do you think Canada does?

History with HC, how many times they've been on previous teams. U17, Hlinka, U18, WJAC and bonus points for any captain/As. Then pedigree, how high they were drafted, any NHL time or pro experience. Then any political reasons, connections to the program via family, circumstance, etc. Then are they getting any hype for performance this season.

 

[Statsy]

History with HC, how many times they've been on previous teams. U17, Hlinka, U18, WJAC and bonus points for any captain/As. Then pedigree, how high they were drafted, any NHL time or pro experience. Then any political reasons, connections to the program via family, circumstance, etc. Then are they getting any hype for performance this season.

Plus specific roles (ie. faceoff ability, penalty killing). There are a LOT of things that go into the decision, actually.

 

[PecnoTrunk]

This year's winner of worst forum post goes to...

Yea ok boss. You're the best
Shit head

 

[PecnoTrunk]

Looks pretty even to me.

No it doesn't

USA has had better high end prospects in the last 5 years

And the fact USA has more gold medals than we do in the last 5-7 years and the fact they keep beating us in u18 u20 says lots

 

[JackSlater]

The facts are there look at the rosters over the past bunch of seasons constantly leaving off players currently dominating, having guys on the team that have played less than 5 games leading into the tourney.

The fact that no one is sure that Steenbergen is going to make it despite having one of the most dominant seasons in the last 2 decades to this point is proof. Much like how Sam Steel was left off last year. When you haven't won Gold outside of Peak McDavid junior year in 7 years it's a joke and a half.

There have been mistakes for sure, but that's a far cry from claiming that the team is 95% decided beforehand. Last year Steel and Girard should have made it, but most of the actual roster deserved to be there. Every year most of the players deserve to be there.

In a case like Steenbergen yes his numbers are very impressive, but there are factors against him. He didn't look all that good in the super series, which is much closer to WJC level than WHL games. He doesn't have any international experience. He has an elite linemate who is outscoring him, bringing his numbers partially into question. Steenbergen deserves a spot at the selection camp but there are legitimate reasons to think that he may not make it.