WJC: Canada 2018 Roster Talk

[PecnoTrunk]

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Well myers is pretty big though right? maybe my memory of him is off.

I did not see us get run out in that gold medal game last year, we had a bad round robin game against them but adjusted fine to their physicality for the gold medal game, we played them very well, what cost us in the end is what Jack Slater spoke about........................failure to get the puck out of the zone smartly and efficiently, it really burnt us and cost us that gold. I was screaming at the t.v the whole game long at their ineptitude in this one aspect and sure enough it bit us in the ass hard. I did not see size being an issue at all in that gold medal game.

But hey, if the guy can play and is built like Eric Lindros I am all for it!!

Meyers is 6.5 210 pounds..he was our best D. he was leveled because nobody else was able to bring what the Americans brought....we were being chased in the Preliminary game vs the Americans...

Yes speed should be the number one...but we need to also bring the big bodies...

Do we have the mean big bodies? like smith ? a couple of guys ?

 

[jj cale]

Meyers is 6.5 210 pounds..he was our best D. he was leveled because nobody else was able to bring what the Americans brought....we were being chased in the Preliminary game vs the Americans...

Yes speed should be the number one...but we need to also bring the big bodies...

Do we have the mean big bodies? like smith ? a couple of guys ?

I don't see how having these types of players would prevent their guys of the same ilk from hitting our guys, maybe I am missing something?

I didn't see it as being any sort of a deciding factor that gold medal game, zone exits I surely did.

That being said I like big players that hit and really bring the fear, we have won with those types of teams before so I do not think your blueprint is out in left field at all. The caveat I have is just that they've gotta be able to really play to go along with it, just being big and hitting everything in sight is no sure recipe for success in this tournament any longer.

A guy like Greenway can also really play, let's not forget that.

 

[86Habs]

Meyers is 6.5 210 pounds..he was our best D. he was leveled because nobody else was able to bring what the Americans brought....we were being chased in the Preliminary game vs the Americans...

Yes speed should be the number one...but we need to also bring the big bodies...

Do we have the mean big bodies? like smith ? a couple of guys ?

Myers was leveled (and injured) because Jordan Greenway is an absolute beast (6'6", 225 lbs) and a rarity at the junior level. Having more "big, mean guys" on the team
wouldn't have changed that.

 

[kyle44]

Wasn't Myers hit by Luke Kunin?

 

[86Habs]

Wasn't Myers hit by Luke Kunin?

You know what? You're absolutely correct. It was Kunin. Greenway was certainly throwing his weight around early in that game, though.

 

[JackSlater]

Meyers is 6.5 210 pounds..he was our best D. he was leveled because nobody else was able to bring what the Americans brought....we were being chased in the Preliminary game vs the Americans...

Yes speed should be the number one...but we need to also bring the big bodies...

Do we have the mean big bodies? like smith ? a couple of guys ?

This is really odd. Myers was hurt on a big hit, true. Nothing Canada could have done would have stopped that. Honestly, injuries are more likely for physical players since they initiate far more contact. Also... it was pretty clear that Chabot was Canada's top defenceman last year.

If Canada has elite players who are big and physical then that's fine, they should be pick. Smith isn't good enough for this level though. Rasmussen is just big, not particularly physical. He certainly wouldn't act as a deterrent, as you seem to want. The 2005 WJC team isn't available to be selected. Eric Lindros isn't available. Brendan Shanahan and Cam Neely aren't available. Canada can't pick inferior players just to have token physicality. If the top players have it in them then that's great, but that just isn't the case.

Also worth noting is that Canada isn't producing the players that you are looking for anymore. Who is the most recently drafted elite Canadian who plays a physical brand of hockey? Is there anyone since Benn, drafted in 2007? The players you want just don't exist. This is an exaggeration of course, but you don't see people looking for the best hook checkers to make team Canada. Frank Nighbor is 105 years too old to fulfill that role, and there haven't been many since.

 

[Statsy]

This is an exaggeration of course, but you don't see people looking for the best hook checkers to make team Canada. Frank Nighbor is 105 years too old to fulfill that role, and there haven't been many since.

It's a shame. Frank Nighbor would have been a sweet add to this junior team!

 

[PecnoTrunk]

You know what? You're absolutely correct. It was Kunin. Greenway was certainly throwing his weight around early in that game, though.

Hi

This is exactly my point. Throwing weight around to put people on notice and make them hesitate. That's my whole point of this. Thank you

 

[TheBeastCoast]

Hi

This is exactly my point. Throwing weight around to put people on notice and make them hesitate. That's my whole point of this. Thank you

You can't take lesser players just because they hit hard though....that creates a whole new problem. Kunin and Greenway are players that Canada hasn't developed in quite a while. Canada can only pick from the players at hand. A player like Rasmussen is not going to make the team tougher just because he is tall.

 

[86Habs]

Hi

This is exactly my point. Throwing weight around to put people on notice and make them hesitate. That's my whole point of this. Thank you

If you know of someone with Greenway's size and skill level lurking in the CHL, feel free to forward his resume to Hockey Canada.

And besides, your original point was that Myers was injured because Canada couldn't / didn't play with the same physicality as the U.S. At least that's the way I read it. Bringing otherwise useless plugs to "intimidate" the other team wouldn't have prevented the hit on Myers (which was late; Kunin was assessed five and a game for it). That worked in the 1990s, when Canada had a decided edge in size and skill and could populate the bottom six with energy guys and grinders. The rest of the world has caught up, and that edge doesn't exist anymore...at least, not consistently. The Ritchie/Crouse/Gauthier line was really good in 2015, but they were all first round draft selections (10, 11, 21 respectively). They also excelled at puck possession, not intimidation. Similar players aren't at our disposal this year.

 

[Dayne97]

Raddysh - Steel - Kyrou
Tippett - McLeod - Suzuki
Dubé - Glass - Lind
Formenton - Howden - Thomas

Clague - Fabbro
Mete* - Makar
Bean - Timmins
Cholowski

1.Hart 2.DiPietro

 

[PecnoTrunk]

Raddysh - Steel - Kyrou
Tippett - McLeod - Suzuki
Dubé - Glass - Lind
Formenton - Howden - Thomas

Clague - Fabbro
Mete* - Makar
Bean - Timmins
Cholowski

1.Hart 2.DiPietro

Does anyone know how many 1st round players we could have on the team this year?

In other words if we filled out the team with 1st round players how many spots would we fill?

 

[JackSlater]

Does anyone know how many 1st round players we could have on the team this year?

In other words if we filled out the team with 1st round players how many spots would we fill?

Canada could fill its defence with first rounders and could put 10 first rounders at forward. This isn't counting NHL players (Chychrun, Dubois, Patrick, Jost) or Vilardi, as he is still injured.

 

[PecnoTrunk]

hi

does anyone have a status on Vilardi ?

 

[Digital Dog]

hi

does anyone have a status on Vilardi ?

There's no update since he was sent back to Windsor. There is literally zero chance he makes it.

He is not due to play again until the end of December, very likely post Christmas according to his club.

 

[TeddyBare]

Hockey Canada is waiting on Blood Work for Kole Lind

Could have mono.

 

[Digital Dog]

Hockey Canada is waiting on Blood Work for Kole Lind

Could have mono.

That would suck for him and for Canada. He has really got himself in the frame purely on his excellently consistant play for a good while now.

He also really shined in the WHL Russia series.

Steenbergen or Katchouk should replace his spot if you ask me.

 

[Dodospice]

That would suck for him and for Canada. He has really got himself in the frame purely on his excellently consistant play for a good while now.

He also really shined in the WHL Russia series.

Steenbergen or Katchouk should replace his spot if you ask me.

Steenbergen/Katchouk should be there anyways.

 

[Snippit]

Mete scratched again

Might as well start pencilling him in your lineups

 

[Wadd]

Dube-Steel-Raddysh
Suzuki-Thomas-Kyrou
Steenbergen-McCleod-Lind
Gadjovich-Comtois-Kaspick
Tippett

Clague- Mete
Fabbro-Makar
Bean-Timmins
Foote

Hart
DiPietro

 

[deakka]

No chance Bellerive is even considered?

Hes out producing some of the suggested bottom 6 guys. He also plays a feisty game, so should be able to play bottom 6 minutes. Ofc none of the players who makes the team play actual bottom 6 minutes on their teams, so its hard to know.

(Yes, the pens have so few prospects that we have to put hope into the slightest of chances to get represented at the WJC)

 

[1Gold Standard]

Troubling news about Lind. I hope he'll be good to go in time to compete for a roster spot at camp...
if not, then I'll just nominate Stelio the coolest name in hockey Mattheos to take his spot.

 

[JackSlater]

No chance Bellerive is even considered?

Hes out producing some of the suggested bottom 6 guys. He also plays a feisty game, so should be able to play bottom 6 minutes. Ofc none of the players who makes the team play actual bottom 6 minutes on their teams, so its hard to know.

(Yes, the pens have so few prospects that we have to put hope into the slightest of chances to get represented at the WJC)

Maybe next year. Doesn't seem likely to get a camp invite this year.

 

[Statsy]

Troubling news about Lind. I hope he'll be good to go in time to compete for a roster spot at camp...
if not, then I'll just nominate Stelio the coolest name in hockey Mattheos to take his spot.

I dunno... he's no Jet Woo.

 

[1Gold Standard]

I dunno... he's no Jet Woo.

touché.

In a few years I can hear the crowd scream Woo after each Team Canada goal. Kinda like they do in Boston.