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Post-Game Talk: Campbell shutout the Flyers. Leafs win 3-0!!

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CantLoseWithMatthews said:
Semyonov had a very solid debut. I'd take someone else out when Tavares is healthy so he can get a longer look
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Just not sure who you take out. I'd say Ritchie with the way he was playing, but he was good last night, hopefully a turning point. Maybe Engvall? Kerfoot was an option at one point, but has played well as of late.
 
I've loved the PP Movement as of late. I like seeing Mitch drift down below the goal line. It has given this PP a completely different angle. Ritchie almost potted 1 yesterday right before the Willy PP goal, and JT put one in against the Kings off of the same low to high play I've been begging for over a year now. Having Mitch below the goal line here and there just completely crosses up the defense. Look at the disrespect given to Willy here lol. The sheer presence of Mitch in the corner caused Sanheim to drift way too far down low, and put his stick in the lane towards Mitch....in the corner...instead of staying at the top of crease, and keeping his stick in the passing lane towards a wide open willy in a Grade-A location.

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Ritchie is technically the "net front" presence here. But I've said it so many damn times, I will take Auston and Willy from those locations over any goalie on the planet any day of the week. No screen required. You don't need to know anything about systems to see how vulnerable PHI is in this snap shot. This doesn't happen unless the puck gets worked down low. It is very easy to stay within a PK structure when you're working the puck around the top of the umbrella.
 
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Twine Tickler said:
I've loved the PP Movement as of late. I like seeing Mitch drift down below the goal line. It has given this PP a completely different angle. Ritchie almost potted 1 yesterday right before the Willy PP goal, and JT put one in against the Kings off of the same low to high play I've been begging for over a year now. Having Mitch below the goal line here and there just completely crosses up the defense. Look at the disrespect given to Willy here lol. The sheer presence of Mitch in the corner caused Sanheim to drift way too far down low, and put his stick in the lane towards Mitch....in the corner...instead of staying at the top of crease, and keeping his stick in the passing lane towards a wide open willy in a Grade-A location.

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Ritchie is technically the "net front" presence here. But I've said it so many damn times, I will take Auston and Willy from those locations over any goalie on the planet any day of the week. No screen required. You don't need to know anything about systems to see how vulnerable PHI is in this snap shot. This doesn't happen unless the puck gets worked down low. It is very easy to stay within a PK structure when you're working the puck around the top of the umbrella.
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I respect a lot of your points and agree with almost all of it, except for the "no screen required" comment.

You absolutely need a screen and that body could be Nick Ritchie. For your shooters to score without a screen it needs to be a perfect shot everytime... At least with a screen just about any shot has a chance to go in, so you greatly increase your odds of the puck going in the net. Most NHL goalies will stop anything they can see. It's why Toronto makes goalies look so good, game in and game out.

It's actually frustrating to see the players constantly off to the sides of the net instead of being out in front. It's no wonder our goals per game is so low, because we aren't getting those garbage goals in front or goalies being unable to see the puck.
 
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Twine Tickler said:
I've loved the PP Movement as of late. I like seeing Mitch drift down below the goal line. It has given this PP a completely different angle. Ritchie almost potted 1 yesterday right before the Willy PP goal, and JT put one in against the Kings off of the same low to high play I've been begging for over a year now. Having Mitch below the goal line here and there just completely crosses up the defense. Look at the disrespect given to Willy here lol. The sheer presence of Mitch in the corner caused Sanheim to drift way too far down low, and put his stick in the lane towards Mitch....in the corner...instead of staying at the top of crease, and keeping his stick in the passing lane towards a wide open willy in a Grade-A location.

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Ritchie is technically the "net front" presence here. But I've said it so many damn times, I will take Auston and Willy from those locations over any goalie on the planet any day of the week. No screen required. You don't need to know anything about systems to see how vulnerable PHI is in this snap shot. This doesn't happen unless the puck gets worked down low. It is very easy to stay within a PK structure when you're working the puck around the top of the umbrella.
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Da problem we got is if it is either Rielly or Mitch in Willy's spot in that situation all da work leads to nothing but an easy save .. 2 guys out of 5 without a shot makes it much easier to defend us on PP .. in case you mentioned it was worked perfectly as you describe but it happened a couple other times last night where Rielly was in da spot and he hesitated and passed because he knows .. and so does every other team in league .. trick will be to keep Mitch below da line and moving with puck behind net as he becomes much harder to defend
 
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AvroArrow said:
Watching a 3-0 shutout win gives you the sense that they just don't care ? We should be losing games 5-0 and see guys get upset and break sticks.

Losing and getting angry/frustrated and showing you care > Actually winning and playing winning hockey.
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It’s more like 5 yrs, 14 games, and counting.
 
The Podium said:
I thought Holl had a pretty good game, especially on the PK.

Still looked a bit sluggish and panicked a tad with the puck on his stick, but did a really good job boxing out the slot and blocking shots.

But like you said, probably better suited as a bottom pairing guy.

Moving forward, I'd go:
Rielly - Lilly
Muzzin - Brodie
Sandin - Holl/Dermott
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I’m starting to think Lilly with Rielly might be a real good pairing. Bogosian was a big loss. He’d look great on that 3 right d pairing.
 
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Nineteen67 said:
If I was in my kitchen and I spilled some milk, I’d laugh. If I was at my job, different story.
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BS

Everyone makes mistakes, at work, at home everywhere we are not robots.

Note the mistakes, laugh at the ones that don't cost you.

Unless you just want to complain about the Leafs and judging by your username that is just the case. There will be no more discussion from me to you on this matter. I don't often engage with people like you and when I do I always regret it.
 
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LeafsGuy16 said:
I’m starting to think Lilly with Rielly might be a real good pairing. Bogosian was a big loss. He’d look great on that 3 right d pairing.
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the 3rd pairing has been insanely dominant no matter who's been on it.

the PK has also been better without him.
 
I won't be totally comfortable until Jack Campbell shows he can stay healthy and play 50-55 games but so far he looks great
 
zeke said:
the 3rd pairing has been insanely dominant no matter who's been on it.

the PK has also been better without him.
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It has been, but I think the entire D core (as a sum) would be better with him. It would allow Lilly to play higher (which I think he can by playoffs) and then Dermott/Holl are the 7/8.
 
LeafsGuy16 said:
It has been, but I think the entire D core (as a sum) would be better with him. It would allow Lilly to play higher (which I think he can by playoffs) and then Dermott/Holl are the 7/8.
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Dermott and Holl are both better than Bogo, though.
 
AngryScotsman said:
I respect a lot of your points and agree with almost all of it, except for the "no screen required" comment.

You absolutely need a screen and that body could be Nick Ritchie. For your shooters to score without a screen it needs to be a perfect shot everytime... At least with a screen just about any shot has a chance to go in, so you greatly increase your odds of the puck going in the net. Most NHL goalies will stop anything they can see. It's why Toronto makes goalies look so good, game in and game out.

It's actually frustrating to see the players constantly off to the sides of the net instead of being out in front. It's no wonder our goals per game is so low, because we aren't getting those garbage goals in front or goalies being unable to see the puck.
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I think you really only need a screen when the shot is coming from distance. These guys can absolutely whip these pucks man. I know what you're saying about it needs to be a perfect shot, but Auston and Willy make those shots in their sleep. Even if that shot is say 30% success, which I'd say is completely fair, that is about as good of a look as you're gunna get in the NHL. I'll take that any day of the week. Whereas our point shot's through traffic with a screen are probably 30% chance of getting through towards the net, let alone score.

For the record, I am not suggesting to get rid of the net front guy, I've just been pushing for a lot more mobility. In this example, Marner is the "net front guy"
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the Puck gets worked to Nylander on the wall, who has no shooting lane, So why would Marner stay at the top of the crease? Makes no sense. go to space below the goal line, and take your defender with you.
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The pass was then made to JT in the slot for a simple low to high 1T. Grade-A scoring chance, no screen. This play hinges on a good pass from Mitch to be right in Johnny's wheelhouse for the 1T. Something he is more than capable of doing, But lets pretend it wasn't in his wheel house, and Johnny can't 1T it. Look how crossed up the PK is. There would be 3 guys keying in on JT, while Auston is all alone at the right dot. The structure of the PP, would allow JT to throw a blind pass to that dot, knowing Auston would be there.

I just think it opens up way more of the ice, and it allows us to use our man advantage for a change. Stapling the guy to the net front only allows for passing between the wall, bumper and point man. I think that's way easier for teams to stay in their box when the movement is that predictable.

JT AM da real deal said:
Da problem we got is if it is either Rielly or Mitch in Willy's spot in that situation all da work leads to nothing but an easy save
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Having Mitch below the goal line from time to time, would avoid this possibility entirely. Their would never be a circumstance where that guy would be anyone other than Auston and Willy. That is the beauty of it. If the puck gets worked to Reilly on the point, then we get the "net front" guy to move back into a screening position.

It's all about making sure there is always multiple passing outlets for our wall guys. When we have no one below the goal line the PK just take away the angle into the bumper and force the movement of the puck back to the point. Our weakest point on the PP. You can't angle away the bumper and the guy below the goal line at the same time. it just allows the wall guy t walk into the slot for a cross seam pass or clear shot.

I donno, that's just how I see it. It seems to be working by mixing it up here and there
 
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Twine Tickler said:
I've loved the PP Movement as of late. I like seeing Mitch drift down below the goal line. It has given this PP a completely different angle. Ritchie almost potted 1 yesterday right before the Willy PP goal, and JT put one in against the Kings off of the same low to high play I've been begging for over a year now. Having Mitch below the goal line here and there just completely crosses up the defense. Look at the disrespect given to Willy here lol. The sheer presence of Mitch in the corner caused Sanheim to drift way too far down low, and put his stick in the lane towards Mitch....in the corner...instead of staying at the top of crease, and keeping his stick in the passing lane towards a wide open willy in a Grade-A location.

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Ritchie is technically the "net front" presence here. But I've said it so many damn times, I will take Auston and Willy from those locations over any goalie on the planet any day of the week. No screen required. You don't need to know anything about systems to see how vulnerable PHI is in this snap shot. This doesn't happen unless the puck gets worked down low. It is very easy to stay within a PK structure when you're working the puck around the top of the umbrella.
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edit: Ritchie actually is the bumper On this powerplay, Mitch is actually the "Net front" guy.
 
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