SlimCharles
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He's from Thousand Oaks and he's 24? Holy crap, probably been on the ice with him at some point. Hope hope he does well.
Confirmed with Link: Campbell/Clifford to the leafs
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Ziggy Stardust
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I wonder what people thought Clifford or Campbell would return in a trade individually. Guys who play top six roles were dealt for 2nd rounders in last year's deadline.
kilowatt
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For what it's worth, Clifford wasn't a fourth-liner. He was our best third-liner. Not that that's necessarily glowing praise for our team.
deaderhead28
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Where you getting 3 assets?Its a player that's hurt alot ie Moore and a conditional third.
Villalta has been playing great recently in ONT. If you look only at games he has started (not games he's come in after Petersen was pulled) his numbers are actually very solid for the entire year, but has been particularly good over the past month. At the beginning of the season, Petersen was playing every night, even back to backs. But Villalta has earned his starts of late, will be a good opprotunity to see what he can do as the teams #1
tny760
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ryan reaves got a 1st
obviously joking since that was a major outlier but yeah, i don't think it's right to expect much more return for these guys. maybe it hurts the heart a little bit, but this is business
kilowatt
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Leafsforever89
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You guys will love Moore. BY the way, Moore is from Thousand Oaks California. He will be thrilled to be going to LA>
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kilowatt
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It's Moore, the Blue Jackets' third in 2020, and the Leafs' guaranteed third in 2021 that could become a second in 2021 if 1. the Leafs re-sign Clifford, or 2. Campbell wins 6 regular season games this season and the Leafs make the playoffs.
Now that the return is guaranteed to be a 3rd and can become a 2nd I am liking the trade a lot more. It's not often a backup goalie returns a 3rd and it is not often a rental with 14 points returns a 3rd. Getting both of those along with Moore and the chance at a 2nd is actually pretty decent. Depending on if Andersen is out, Campbell may have a good shot at 6 wins. A 2nd, 3rd and Moore looks pretty damn good.
Look at some of last years deadline comparables:
Brassard and a 6th for a 3rd,
Simmonds for Hartman and a 4th,
McQuaid for a 4th,
Beaulieu for a 6th,
Hendricks for a 7th,
MDZ for a 6th,
Fanta for a 4th,
Kinkaid for a 5th.
Look at some of last years deadline comparables:
Brassard and a 6th for a 3rd,
Simmonds for Hartman and a 4th,
McQuaid for a 4th,
Beaulieu for a 6th,
Hendricks for a 7th,
MDZ for a 6th,
Fanta for a 4th,
Kinkaid for a 5th.
Sol
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They actually traded Clifford when I finally actually wanted to keep him. Feels like a dumb trade.
Lt Dan
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moore
3rd round pick this year
3rd round pick in 2021 that turns into a second if soupy wins 6 games and leafs make playoffs OR cliffy re-signs (the former is very likely imo)
it’s a good deal with several assets and many years of combined team control
moore
3rd round pick this year
3rd round pick in 2021 that turns into a second if soupy wins 6 games and leafs make playoffs OR cliffy re-signs (the former is very likely imo)
it’s a good deal with several assets and many years of combined team control
deaderhead28
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Thanks for the information.Still a crappy return with a player that cant shoot goals and is a 4th line player and hurt alot according to leaf fans.Give the scrub back and get Clifford.
To put things in perspective, much of the talk on Toffoli is a 2nd and a middle-tier prospect. Moore is a player who was considered a middle-tier prospect in the Leafs system before graduating to the NHL.
So if Campbell wins 6 games, the trade becomes a 2nd, 3rd and a middle-tier prospect type player, which is likely a better package than we will get for Toffoli (granted we're talking two players traded compared to Toffoli alone).
Additionally, if you want to break it down, Mayor recently said on Kings of the Podcast, if someone called giving a 2nd for Clifford, he'd take that over payment. So if you consider it a second for Clifford (assuming conditions are met), a 3rd and Moore is a decent return for a backup goalie, especially when it opens the door for Petersen in LA.
So if Campbell wins 6 games, the trade becomes a 2nd, 3rd and a middle-tier prospect type player, which is likely a better package than we will get for Toffoli (granted we're talking two players traded compared to Toffoli alone).
Additionally, if you want to break it down, Mayor recently said on Kings of the Podcast, if someone called giving a 2nd for Clifford, he'd take that over payment. So if you consider it a second for Clifford (assuming conditions are met), a 3rd and Moore is a decent return for a backup goalie, especially when it opens the door for Petersen in LA.
deaderhead28
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You’re kidding right? That’s literally their value
Losing Clifford stings a little, and I never thought I’d say that as a longtime critic of his, but he will be missed in the locker room, but I am glad we are getting assets when we can. Maybe we re-sign him in the summer for cheap...
tny760
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i think a lot of you are forgetting that campbell fell into our lap and we probably turned him into a 2nd from a guy that likely was headed for europe, he couldn't even break out of the ECHL
both of these get real dollars down and open slots for young players, that's the long game here
both of these get real dollars down and open slots for young players, that's the long game here
SlimCharles
Kings & Sabres
Some of you guys greatly overvalue Clifford and Campbell. The return is absolutely fair. Massive props to Clifford for his time here, but I never thought he would retire a King.
BallPointHammer
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Cliffy will always be a King for me, same as all the other Cup winners. Soup will remain a favorite for me too. I admire and respect the way he turned his career around.
