Cam Talbot - Mod warning #251

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

This team has depth problems. They can/should be solvable through cheap free agent signings and/or the farm.

Complaining about how your hall of fame goalie's cap hit is preventing the team from filling holes is a monumentally stupid argument.

 

[KirkAlbuquerque]

Haha imagine if the Rangers gave Hank this kind of goal support..

 

[NYRangers84]

This team has depth problems. They can/should be solvable through cheap free agent signings and/or the farm.

Complaining about how your hall of fame goalie's cap hit is preventing the team from filling holes is a monumentally stupid argument.

It's not "monumentally stupid" it's thinking outside the box and with logic. Lundqvist isn't worth his $59.5m. Goalies are replaceable in today's NHL. We'd do better with a cheaper goalie like Talbot because we would then have the money to improve defense and/or offensive depth.

The gap between goalies skill levels is very small in the NHL.

 

[Raspewtin]

Haha imagine if the Rangers gave Hank this kind of goal support..

I mean, we were the 4th highest scoring team in the league the whole year.

 

[nevesis]

It's not "monumentally stupid" it's thinking outside the box and with logic. Lundqvist isn't worth his $59.5m. Goalies are replaceable in today's NHL. We'd do just as fine if not better with a cheaper goalie like Talbot because we would then have the money to improve defense and/or offensive depth.

The gap between goalies skill levels is very small in the NHL.

Is this a sarcastic post? Serious question...

 

[NYRangers84]

Is this a sarcastic post? Serious question...

No, why would it be? I don't see how my point can be refuted?
Like you said, a goalie can never win a Vezina on a bottom feeder team.
If Lundqvist was on the Oilers his whole career, he would not be discussed as an elite goalie.

 

[NYRangers84]

We're going to have Lundqvist getting 8.5m/year until he is almost 40. If anyone thinks that's what's best for the team it's their own opinion, I have mine.

 

[Tawnos]

No, why would it be? I don't see how my point can be refuted?
Like you said, a goalie can never win a Vezina on a bottom feeder team.
If Lundqvist was on the Oilers his whole career, he would not be discussed as an elite goalie.

If Lundqvist was in Edmonton his whole career, they wouldn't be a bottom feeder. They'd probably make the playoffs nearly every year. Hank dragged some bad Rangers teams kicking and screaming into the playoffs. And he'd still be considered elite.

The gap between skill level of goalies in the NHL is small. The gap between goalies being able to apply that talent consistently is huge. Talbot doesn't seem to have that ability. Lundqvist has more of that than any goalie in the league. The other top goalies possess that ability to a large degree as well.

 

[Doctyl]

We're going to have Lundqvist getting 8.5m/year until he is almost 40. If anyone thinks that's what's best for the team it's their own opinion, I have mine.

And yours is to go with the guy who isn't an NHL caliber starter.

 

[Doctyl]

Lundqvist has Hasek level consistency. Hasek had an incredible 5 years of .930+ sv% and 8 seasons of .920+. That's just unbelievable when you think about it. Hasek really is the GOAT.

Hank doesn't have to skill Hasek does, but he has the consistency. Including this one, Hank has had 7 .920+ seasons. That's incredible, especially when compared to his peers and people really don't apreciate him as much as he should be appreciated. He is the best active NHL a goalie.

 

[NYRangers84]

Lundqvist has Hasek level consistency. Hasek had an incredible 5 years of .930+ sv% and 8 seasons of .920+. That's just unbelievable when you think about it. Hasek really is the GOAT.

Hank doesn't have to skill Hasek does, but he has the consistency. Including this one, Hank has had 7 .920+ seasons. That's incredible, especially when compared to his peers and people really don't apreciate him as much as he should be appreciated. He is the best active NHL a goalie.

Price, Varlamov and Schneider are all better going back to last season until now.

 

[NYRangers84]

Lundqvist has stopped 1% more shots than MAF by career. 1%. And that 1% is partly due to superior team structure. Playoffs is 1.7% and we know how much better we are in the playoffs than the Pens.

 

[OnlyTruth]

We're going to have Lundqvist getting 8.5m/year until he is almost 40. If anyone thinks that's what's best for the team it's their own opinion, I have mine.

This is exactly why I get nightmares occasionally.

 

[OnlyTruth]

Lundqvist has Hasek level consistency. Hasek had an incredible 5 years of .930+ sv% and 8 seasons of .920+. That's just unbelievable when you think about it. Hasek really is the GOAT.

Hank doesn't have to skill Hasek does, but he has the consistency. Including this one, Hank has had 7 .920+ seasons. That's incredible, especially when compared to his peers and people really don't apreciate him as much as he should be appreciated. He is the best active NHL a goalie.

1) Putting Hasek and Hank in the same post is just politically incorrect in my opinion.

2) Hank is not appreciated? Really? All I hear on TV all day long is how great Hank is. All I read from 90% of posters in the net and on this board, is that Hank is one of the best goalies in the world now, if not the best.

 

[NYRangers84]

Regarding Cam.. the next several games he plays before Lundqvist gets back will be a better indicator of how he would look like as a starter. Still not big enough sample size but better than what we have now.

 

[OnlyTruth]

Talbot gets good goal support, but he gets very bad D coverage. In my opinion, bad D coverage translates into goals. But the fact that Talbot makes all these great saves with the bad D coverage, tells a lot about him as a goalie.

 

[NYRangers84]

Talbot gets good goal support, but he gets very bad D coverage. In my opinion, bad D coverage translates into goals. But the fact that Talbot makes all these great saves with the bad D coverage, tells a lot about him as a goalie.

Yeah it wasn't like that last season but this season has been different for some reason. I prefer the high scoring games though, a lot more fun lol

 

[The Gloaming]

Because the defensive coverage that Lundqvist has gotten for most of his career has been so stellar.

And yet he still has only missed the playoffs once.

 

[Doctyl]

1) Putting Hasek and Hank in the same post is just politically incorrect in my opinion.

2) Hank is not appreciated? Really? All I hear on TV all day long is how great Hank is. All I read from 90% of posters in the net and on this board, is that Hank is one of the best goalies in the world now, if not the best.

1) I'm talking about his consistency. Not his greatness, his consistency. I thought I made that clear in my post, guess not.

2) Then theres people who want him gone and think Talbot could actually be a suitable replacement

 

[Doctyl]

Because the defensive coverage that Lundqvist has gotten for most of his career has been so stellar.

And yet he still has only missed the playoffs once.

****ing Olli Jokinen

 

[StepansLabyrinth]

I think I'm more okay with paying an elite goalie top dollar than any other position. It really helps in the playoffs and I think you have less liability than using that same money on top forwards or defenseman, which are more physically intensive positions. Goalies of Hank's ilk usually last until their 40s.

I also think that anyone who's willing to trade Hank is totally taking for granted how good he is, how good he has been, and what he's worth to this squad. He is the identity of this team, he's the one that performs the best when we need him most.

 

[OnlyTruth]

Because the defensive coverage that Lundqvist has gotten for most of his career has been so stellar.

And yet he still has only missed the playoffs once.

Especially when we played 5 men D with Torts and lead in blocked shots.

 

[OnlyTruth]

2) Then theres people who want him gone and think Talbot could actually be a suitable replacement

My point is that there is only a hand full of people who think this way.

 

[Doctyl]

My point is that there is only a hand full of people who think this way.

The fact that its a thought at all just goes to show that Hank is not fully appreciated. He is the best goalie to have ever played for this franchise, yet some think a backup goalie and $7 million in cap space is more valuable.

 

[OnlyTruth]

The fact that its a thought at all just goes to show that Hank is not fully appreciated. He is the best goalie to have ever played for this franchise, yet some think a backup goalie and $7 million in cap space is more valuable.

You can never have 100% in any aspect of life. It is a pointless debate.