Rumor: Cam Robinson - Tuch Availability

[tantalum]

Why is his extension unlikely? He is a Buffalo fan, he wants to be in Buffalo, what is stopping him from signing a new deal? And there is no point in trading him at all, we need more like him.

I also like how some people say we can flip assets for someone else, who? Almost all of these guys have trade protection and are not going to Buffalo, and the team doesn't want to trade other strong players. We need to hold on to our experienced core and add 3-4 good players to the roster, we have plenty of assets to trade, but our GM is a coward and the owner is a clown.

What prevents him from signing? The same thing that prevents most soon to be UFAs looking for a final big pay day and chance to win in similar situations. Poor team, poor management, and poor ownership. He may be a Buffalo fan but most players would rather play on a contender than the team they are fans of when they have yet to win the big prize. Especially the good ones....and Tuch is good.

 

[bringbacktheskate604]

What prevents him from signing? The same thing that prevents most soon to be UFAs looking for a final big pay day and chance to win in similar situations. Poor team, poor management, and poor ownership. He may be a Buffalo fan but most players would rather play on a contender than the team they are fans of when they have yet to win the big prize. Especially the good ones....and Tuch is good.

I feel for sabres fans because even loyal guys like Tuch at his age probably wants to win and the sabres don't seem any closer to that.

Their GM seems to think having mostly young players with no winning experience will figure it out but history says that's unlikely.

After trading Jack and Sam and not getting back the pieces needed to justify those moves and other guys seeming to be regressing where do they even go from here?

 

[Fjordsen]

What prevents him from signing? The same thing that prevents most soon to be UFAs looking for a final big pay day and chance to win in similar situations. Poor team, poor management, and poor ownership. He may be a Buffalo fan but most players would rather play on a contender than the team they are fans of when they have yet to win the big prize. Especially the good ones....and Tuch is good.

Instead, I'd rather improve the team and re-sign Tuch. But even if he says he's not going to sign until the summer of 2026, the best trade scenario would be the summer of 2025, not the current TDL.

 

[DFC]

Oh?... Why doesn't Tampa take their futures they are willing to sell and get a replacement for Cirelli after they trade him for Tuch?

No doubt. But I do think there has to be a tipping point where the sheer amount of futures could be worth Buffalo's while. It would be different if they were contending, or even in a playoff race. But at some point it's hard to say no to sheer value.

I also don't doubt that TB might try to swing a 3-way deal where we acquire a 2-way center and send him to Buffalo for Tuch. Assuming we don't want the C. (For instance, ROR looks like a great fit for TB right now.) Not sure what Buffalo's cap situation is, but maybe something where TB trades for a pricey center and then ships him to Buf for the affordable Tuch?

 

[DFC]

Well if they had that option why wouldn't Kevyn do that trade now? We have more than enough picks and prospects to do a deal like that with no need of Tampas prospects.

You know why it hasn't happened? .. Because finding a willing trade partner isn't easy to begin with.... then add in the fact that probably 85% of the players probably have Buffalo on their NTC.
I don't think fans of other teams realize how fycked this franchise is. It is not just hahaha Buffalo missed playoffs again... it is this franchise could be gone in next 5 years. There is no way the fan base will tolerate another rebuild and be gaslit and told to be patient.

True, but the alternative (trying to win with the current team) seems even less likely to succeed.

 

[Beerz]

No doubt. But I do think there has to be a tipping point where the sheer amount of futures could be worth Buffalo's while. It would be different if they were contending, or even in a playoff race. But at some point it's hard to say no to sheer value.

I also don't doubt that TB might try to swing a 3-way deal where we acquire a 2-way center and send him to Buffalo for Tuch. Assuming we don't want the C. (For instance, ROR looks like a great fit for TB right now.) Not sure what Buffalo's cap situation is, but maybe something where TB trades for a pricey center and then ships him to Buf for the affordable Tuch?

There is no tipping point... your prospect pool isn't that happening.

Do you really think ROR is coming back to Buffalo?

 

[The Crypto Guy]

Make a hockey trade or get bent.

Everyones has Buffalo on their No Trades lists. You'll take whatever scraps you get.

 

[Beerz]

Everyones has Buffalo on their No Trades lists. You'll take whatever scraps you get.

We'll keep our scraps in this case.

 

[DownIsTheNewUp]

I don't think it makes sense for Buffalo to trade Tuch unless they know he won't re-sign.

That said, I don't understand Adams mentality for the deadline. I get that the fanbase might not have the patience for more "rebuild", but good luck getting contenders to give up their own significant roster players this time of year. If you're last in the conference the goal right now should be acquiring more futures that you could flip for roster players in the offseason when teams would be much more willing to deal.

As Dreger said, it might be a quiet deadline in Buffalo, which is totally their choice, but that's not going to help them in the short term either.

 

[hizzoner]

I hope Sabres are offering the UFAs they want to keep a bit of a premium to stay with them. If that is not agreeable to those players then get what you can now and move on. Sabres are not making the playoffs so get as much trade and draft capital as possible. Then USE IT WISELY--if they know how....

 

[Beerz]

I don't think it makes sense for Buffalo to trade Tuch unless they know he won't re-sign.

That said, I don't understand Adams mentality for the deadline. I get that the fanbase might not have the patience for more "rebuild", but good luck getting contenders to give up their own significant roster players this time of year. If you're last in the conference the goal right now should be acquiring more futures that you could flip for roster players in the offseason when teams would be much more willing to deal.

As Dreger said, it might be a quiet deadline in Buffalo, which is totally their choice, but that's not going to help them in the short term either.

Well I assume they are going to flip their pending UFAs in Jokiharu and maybe Zucker and Greenway but they are trying to re-sign them currently.

 

[Fatass]

You sure changed your tune in less than 24 hours.

Rumor: Post in thread 'Cam Robinson - Tuch Availability'

Yesterday at 8:55 PM

I don’t think Tuch is off limits or unavailable, I could see him traded in a hockey trade. I don’t understand why we’d trade a non-ufa for future assets we don’t need

Only reason to trade a guy as good as Tuch (and of that age) is because there’s concern the player will leave when they get to free agency. Snd Tuch loves it there. So this rumour makes no sense. He’s a guy the Sabres will extend this summer.

• Fatass

Exactly! Tuch has a lot of value.

 

[DFC]

There is no tipping point... your prospect pool isn't that happening.

Do you really think ROR is coming back to Buffalo?

No, I meant a C who ISNT ROR because he would be a good fit for us. But maybe we could find someone who makes too much money for us, assuming Buffalo has space.

JBB tends to go way off the board at the TDL, pretty much every year. The one thing that's consistent is he gets players with another year remaining at a good price.

The fact that this is coming out at all means someone on Buffalo's side is talking about it. We never get a peep from TB.

But I think we would be willing to pay a bigger price for a C than Buffalo would be (the Jeannot package, but with better pieces), and then flip that C to Buffalo. Wouldn't be surprising at all if JBB is trying to find a player Buffalo wants. We would likely be willing to pay a price Buffalo won't, if what we really want is Tuch (and Tuch's contract).

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

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Exactly! Tuch has a lot of value.

sabres need to focus on winning hockey games not winning trades

 

[Fatass]

Or they could just use the picks and prospects the already have to get those players and add to what they have.

True. But there’s only so much room in cap allocation. And it’s not like the current core is winning.

 

[DFC]

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sabres need to focus on winning hockey games not winning trades

Players and management are two different entities.

 

[tsujimoto74]

Everyones has Buffalo on their No Trades lists. You'll take whatever scraps you get.

Or we’ll do exactly what everyone’s been saying for 837739 threads now and keep our f***ing player.

Tuch is not a UFA. We have 0 incentive to move him unless you’re offering something the Sabres want more (and no, your mile-long list of futures ain’t it).

 

[5 Minute Major]

Adams has already pigeon-holed himself for this deadline. Contenders want to add legit players for futures. Teams out of it (which are few) don't really have what we're looking for.

Buffalo isn't going to do much at all at the deadline. We probably sell Jokiharju for a pick. Maybe we sell Zucker and/or Greenway if they don't re-sign.

But Buffalo isn't doing a hockey deal this deadline, I don't think.

Maybe Kevyn will find one over the summer. Maybe.

Right. And we all know Adams is a clown. I guess it really doesn’t matter as long as he’s calling the shots.

This doesn't make any sense, why would we trade our best players when we can't trade for anyone anyway because of the trade protection and no one is going to Buffalo. We need to act in a completely different way.

Then we’re stuck and it doesn’t matter. And I’m going off the premise that Tuch does not want you to sign in Buffalo which would not shock me, though I have no idea what his intentions are.

 

[5 Minute Major]

Hard disagree.

If Adams could turn futures into players…he would. He has futures. He needs players.

He can’t do it.

He’s already pigeonholed.

Right, we already know Adams is a boob. I’m just speaking under the umbrella of there is more than one way to accomplish bringing in player X.

 

[Empoleon8771]

I've seen Tampa mentioned a bunch, but I just don't see how they can pull off Tuch without trading Hagel or Cirelli, which Tampa obviously wouldn't do.

If Moser was a RD, I think he could be of interest but he's not a RD. I just really struggle to see a match there that would meet what Buffalo would want for Tuch.

 

[Fjordsen]

Then we’re stuck and it doesn’t matter. And I’m going off the premise that Tuch does not want you to sign in Buffalo which would not shock me, though I have no idea what his intentions are.

Well, I don't agree with that either, we have assets, but unfortunately we don't have a good GM and an idiot owner. But even our bad GM sometimes makes good deals.

As for Tuch, what's the point of trading him at TDL for futures if there will be more teams in the summer that can make a hockey deal with us, plus Tuch will already have the right to immediately sign an extension with a new team, and now he can't.

 

[5 Minute Major]

Still going to disagree. This “hockey trade” stuff shouldn’t cloud anything in a trade process. IMO, you always take what you feel is a higher value, whether it be NHL roster players or prospects and picks.

 

[Jimmybarndoor2]

Still going to disagree. This “hockey trade” stuff shouldn’t cloud anything in a trade process. IMO, you always take what you feel is a higher value, whether it be NHL roster players or prospects and picks.

The solution to the Sabres woes will not be at trade deadline
They are going to need to make a splash with some ufa as well as a trade with some futures

It’s gonna be the offseason. Not futures