Calling it Now: Tampa is a Serious Threat Again, Nashville has Screwed Themselves, and These facts are not Unrelated

strattonius

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'Oh Tampa is just soooo smart for letting Stamkos walk'
They're not smart they're lucky. Didn't take smarts to see Stamkos' decline plus they have that beautiful no tax benefit to basically attract any big name free agent they want. And lo' and behold Jake Guentzel shakes loose from Pittsburgh.
Absolute no brainer swap they have the priviledge of taking advantage of. Most teams don't get those cards and they'd be stuck paying their old captain what he wants.
 
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'Oh Tampa is just soooo smart for letting Stamkos walk'
They're not smart they're lucky. Didn't take smarts to see Stamkos' decline plus they have that beautiful no tax benefit to basically attract any big name free agent they want. And lo' and behold Jake Guentzel shakes loose from Pittsburgh.
Absolute no brainer swap they have the priviledge of taking advantage of. Most teams don't get those cards and they'd be stuck paying their old captain what he wants.
i'm not even a tampa fan but you're so salty that it's still entertaining to witness lmao
 

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I agree on Tampa. And i hate it.

Nashville is stuck with post buyout Lecavlier 2.0. I'm curious who the runners up for Stamkos were.

Stamkos wanted to go to NJ and the Devils wanted to bring him in. They were not close at all to Nashville's contract offer though.
 

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Completely disagree. They have a culture problem that stems from ownership, but still a culture problem.
I don't see what "culture" has to do with Ownership/Management treating the NHL team like a development team, developing prospects and young players for 5-7 years at the NHL level and then trading them away right as they start to hit their prime.

That's not a culture problem. It's idiotic roster management and construction.

The Bills allegedly have one of the best "cultures" in the NFL under the same owner. The difference is competent management and coaching.
 

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I don't see what "culture" has to do with Ownership/Management treating the NHL team like a development team, developing prospects and young players for 5-7 years at the NHL level and then trading them away right as they start to hit their prime.

That's not a culture problem. It's idiotic roster management and construction.

The Bills allegedly have one of the best "cultures" in the NFL under the same owner. The difference is competent management and coaching.
Im going off what former players have said.

ROR - "Lost the love for the game." He mentioned feeling overwhelmed and disconnected, which contributed to his diminished enjoyment of the sport. This sentiment resonated with many, as it highlighted the impact of team dynamics on a player's mental health and love for the game. He mentioned feeling like he was "trapped" and that the environment wasn't conducive to his success.

Lehner - He talked about feeling lost and struggling with mental health issues during his time in Buffalo. Lehner expressed frustration with how he was treated and felt that the organization did not support him adequately. He emphasized the importance of mental health and spoke about the challenges he faced while trying to succeed in that environment.

Ullmark - He spoke about feeling unsupported during his time there, particularly regarding his mental health struggles. Lehner described a culture within the organization that made it difficult for him to thrive and indicated that he felt the Sabres did not prioritize player well-being. He emphasized the importance of mental health in sports and how the environment in Buffalo contributed to his struggles. His comments highlighted the need for better support systems within NHL organizations.

Bergland - He expressed frustration regarding his experience with the team, particularly about feeling mismanaged and not being given a fair chance. He mentioned a lack of communication and support, which contributed to his struggles while with the organization. Berglund's comments reflected broader issues he perceived within the team structure and management.

Mittlestadt - Not really negative towards the Sabres, but if we want to read it that way, "That's probably the most I've sweat in a morning skate in a long time."

Eichel - He expressed frustration about the organization's handling of his injuries, particularly regarding the decision-making around his neck surgery. Eichel felt that the Sabres did not prioritize his health and that communication with management was lacking. He also mentioned the challenges of being in a losing environment and how it affected his motivation and love for the game. His comments highlighted the difficulties he faced during his time in Buffalo and the disconnect he felt with the team's management.

Then we can dive into the clips weve seen in practice of Skinner not trying hard, Dahlin/Krebs fight, etc etc etc. All of this is more than management, who in their defense already is up against it with the weather and NYS taxes trying to bring in star players so therye left overpaying their home grown players to stay.
 

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i'm not even a tampa fan but you're so salty that it's still entertaining to witness lmao

It is what it is.

You get to play in relative obscurity; both Florida teams are good; and there's no state taxes. It's an enormous competitive advantage for free agents and it will propel Tampa and Florida to the top of the standings for many years.
 
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Trotz should get the axe for what he did this summer. The Prefs were looking like a really good club until he went out and brought in old guys who are on the decline.
He should be fired just for letting Sherwood go. What was he thinking? Sherwood is now one of Canucks best and most hardworking player next to Garland. Now Canucks have 2 play drivers
 
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JPT

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It is what it is.

You get to play in relative obscurity; both Florida teams are good; and there's no state taxes. It's an enormous competitive advantage for free agents and it will propel Tampa and Florida to the top of the standings for many years.
So you're saying that even with this huge tax advantage, teams will continue to be good and bad in a cyclical manner?
 

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The Lightning were smart to pass on Stamkos. Paying guys in their mid-30's rarely returns the value you're lookin for. GM's usually can't help themselves when it comes to a name like that.

Yet they gave Guentzel a 7 year deal which will pay him during his mid 30’s
 

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'Oh Tampa is just soooo smart for letting Stamkos walk'
They're not smart they're lucky. Didn't take smarts to see Stamkos' decline plus they have that beautiful no tax benefit to basically attract any big name free agent they want. And lo' and behold Jake Guentzel shakes loose from Pittsburgh.
Absolute no brainer swap they have the priviledge of taking advantage of. Most teams don't get those cards and they'd be stuck paying their old captain what he wants.
It was Carolina, not Pittsburgh that shook JG loose.
 

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The only thing that Nashville really screwed themselves with in my mind is not trading Saros and not keeping Askarov.

If the Preds had traded Saros for a young d man who could slot in the top 4 on the right side, that would've been ideal or sign a d man for the right side.

You still could've kept the Wedgewood deal and rolled with Askarov/Wedgewood as your goalies this year. Not great by any means, but you would've had more defensive depth and been able to keep a really good young goalie prospect.

I get keeping Saros, but you had to address the blue line and that was probably our best ticket.

Or if you were going to trade Askarov, you had to get a young, NHL ready D man coming back to the other way. That was the mistake.

I also am annoyed that Trotz didn't offer sheet or attempt to trade for Broberg. That was also a mistake.

If this team ends up barely making the playoffs and gets bounced in the first round, I don't think fans are going to be happy.

We either need to suck or we need to be good. Mushy middle is not where we want to be.
 
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strattonius

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So you're saying that even with this huge tax advantage, teams will continue to be good and bad in a cyclical manner?

Core players will age out and this will ultimately have a larger effect on success than a free agency advantage. But what I'm saying is pretty simple - Florida teams have a competitive advantage when it comes to attracting free agents.
 
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JPT

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Core players will age out and this will ultimately have a larger effect on success than a free agency advantage. But what I'm saying is pretty simple - Florida teams have a competitive advantage when it comes to attracting free agents.
Oh ok. I think we should start a thread about the tax advantage and see what everyone else thinks.
 

strattonius

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Oh ok. I think we should start a thread about the tax advantage and see what everyone else thinks.

Not sure if you're being sarcastic as that topic has been regurgitated a ton. I just brought it up because Tampa was able to reel in Jake Guentzel and the topic is about how Tampa has been able to re tool and look like a contender again.
 
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JPT

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Not sure if you're being sarcastic as that topic has been regurgitated a ton. I just brought it up because Tampa was able to reel in Jake Guentzel and the topic is about how Tampa has been able to re tool and look like a contender again.
It's an enormous competitive advantage, right? Huge?
 

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Or even worse, having your team hitting up the strip clubs while getting swept.
I was giving an honest response regarding a team thats window is closed, if you are trying to throw shade, using the event that caused Florida's change from laughing stock to the best team in the league is probably not the best example.

God bless whoever gave Huberdeau that lappy and got him exiled
 

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