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News Article: Callahan leaves door open to return to Rangers / Richards Speaks Out

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At the end of the season, sure. I think that's a stretch to describe his whole season, though.
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You're right, to an extent. He started off 2012-13 solidly. But from around the 10 game mark to the 40 game mark, he was about a 0.4 ppg player. Good for 33 points over an 82 game season. He blew his load in the last 10 games or so, and then stopped being an NHLer altogether just in time for the playoffs.
 
Bird Law said:
So you're not going to debate your original point? You specifically said he was not contributing on the ice.

We're normally on a similar page. But it's ridiculous to say that Richards isn't contributing this year. He's been one of our best players.

I 100% agree with you on his play last year. That was atrocious. I think he understands that as well (hence why he came in in such better shape this year). But that was last year. Not this year.
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No, I'm not going to debate your definition of contributing to my definition of contributing. Not into that. I could go in the direction of 'he's contributing but not contributing enough to make comments like that', but I'm not going to have a semantics discussion here.

I totally disagree Richards has been one of our best players this year. That's my opinion. He has by far the worst plus/minus of all the forwards, which I always take with a grain of salt, but in this case it does support what I see on the ice.

If your opinion is different, that's fine. I'm not even saying I'm right and you're wrong, I'm just saying that's my opinion.
 
Jersey Girl said:
No, I'm not going to debate your definition of contributing to my definition of contributing. Not into that. I could go in the direction of 'he's contributing but not contributing enough to make comments like that', but I'm not going to have a semantics discussion here.

I totally disagree Richards has been one of our best players this year. That's my opinion. He has by far the worst plus/minus of all the forwards, which I always take with a grain of salt, but in this case it does support what I see on the ice.

If your opinion is different, that's fine. I'm not even saying I'm right and you're wrong, I'm just saying that's my opinion.
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What IS your definition of contributing? How can being one of our leading scorers NOT fit that definition? I think your definition is outrageously incorrect if he somehow doesn't fit your definition of contributing.

I'll flat out say that you're wrong, here.
 
Honestly, what do you guys expect from Richards at this point in his career? In his PRIME he was pretty much a 70-80 point guy. He's 33 now. He's been around since 20. He's not suddenly going to find the magic he had in his career years. He's on the downslope of a normal career trajectory. If you can get 60 points from him, he's playing well for himself. I just wish he was better in the face-off circle and away from the puck. That's something he could improve at with age. Stevie Y changed his game when he was past his offensive prime years with the help of Scottie Bowman. So it's possible. Then again, Stevie Y was a special player.
 
Bird Law said:
What IS your definition of contributing? How can being one of our leading scorers NOT fit that definition? I think your definition is outrageously incorrect if he somehow doesn't fit your definition of contributing.

I'll flat out say that you're wrong, here.
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Fine. Whatever. You are welcome to your opinion, and I really don't care.

I flat out think you're wrong here. That's my opinion, which I already know you disagree with. We have no reason to continue this.
 
Bird Law said:
What IS your definition of contributing? How can being one of our leading scorers NOT fit that definition? I think your definition is outrageously incorrect if he somehow doesn't fit your definition of contributing.

I'll flat out say that you're wrong, here.
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I have to agree with you here. To say Richards isn't contributing anything this year is just wrong.
 
Jersey Girl said:
Fine. Whatever. You are welcome to your opinion, and I really don't care.

I flat out think you're wrong here. That's my opinion, which I already know you disagree with. We have no reason to continue this.
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There are only so many ways you can twist the English language around to distort facts and suggesting that Richards 45 pts isn't a contribution to this team probably isn't a very convincing one.

Would we be better off without those 45 pts? Does he have to have 90 to be considered a contributor?
 
Jersey Girl said:
Fine. Whatever. You are welcome to your opinion, and I really don't care.

I flat out think you're wrong here. That's my opinion, which I already know you disagree with. We have no reason to continue this.
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Oh, but it's not an opinion. It's a fact. You're incorrect about the definition of the word contributing.
 
Barbara Underhill said:
There are only so many ways you can twist the English language around to distort facts and suggesting that Richards 45 pts isn't a contribution to this team probably isn't a very convincing one.

Would we be better off without those 45 pts? Does he have to have 90 to be considered a contributor?
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Brad Richards contributed 45 points to the Rangers this year. Hopefully that makes everyone feel better.

My original point got distorted because of my own poor choice of words.
 
There is an increase in tension in this thread. Please move on from the personal stuff, and get back on topic. Thanks.
 
Bird Law said:
Well, absolutely. And I only got on you because you actually tried to defend it instead of just saying, "****, I didn't mean that."
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Actually I kinda did mean something to that effect, because I am unhappy with his overall contribution, but to make a blanket statement like 'he's not contributing' was, like I said, a poor choice of words by me.
 
Jersey Girl said:
Actually I kinda did mean something to that effect, because I am unhappy with his overall contribution, but to make a blanket statement like 'he's not contributing' was, like I said, a poor choice of words by me.
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Yeah, I know what you mean.

Trust me, I am not overly happy with his play. I think it's merely satisfactory, but I expected a lot more from him. I mean, it's a hell of a lot better than the abortion that he was last year. But I still expected a 75 or so point pace with a full year of him and Nash.

With that said, how often do we ever see high scorers on the Rangers? It's sort of nuts.
 
reckoner said:
c'mon now. richards comments are a non-issue that the new york media(and fans) will blow out of proportion.

he's saying this stuff to take pressure off the team because they just lost their captain and have been in a slump. the only thing he said was that callahan is a 'lead by example' guy, which was fairly obvious, especially considering he learned from and modeled himself after drury.

nothing to see here. i would definitely be open to signing him but i don't think the rangers would go north of 5-5.5M. who knows with this management though?
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Exactly.

Some of you guys just love excitement. He didn't say anything insulting.
 
Bird Law said:
Yeah, I know what you mean.

Trust me, I am not overly happy with his play. I think it's merely satisfactory, but I expected a lot more from him. I mean, it's a hell of a lot better than the abortion that he was last year. But I still expected a 75 or so point pace with a full year of him and Nash.

With that said, how often do we ever see high scorers on the Rangers? It's sort of nuts.
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I think part of that was having defensive-minded coaches like Renney and Torts (whatever happened to 'Safe is Death' anyway?) the last number of years. No team with those two at the helm are going to have players who challenge for the Art Ross trophy.

Perhaps that will change down the road with AV.
 
What I wonder is where was Richards last year in the playoffs? If it were me he would have been amnestied last summer. He's rebounded a bit but he's no longer a legit 1st line player. His comments on Callahan should not have been made. I don't think of him as much of a leader either. To me he's kind of been a reincarnation of Chris Drury--maybe Drury was more noisy in the locker room but he certainly wasn't capable of carrying the team on the ice. That's turned into Brad's MO.

As for Ryan I don't see any way he's coming back--unless he asks for a lot less and the cap ceiling goes up a lot higher than we think.
 
Jersey Girl said:
I think part of that was having defensive-minded coaches like Renney and Torts (whatever happened to 'Safe is Death' anyway?) the last number of years. No team with those two at the helm are going to have players who challenge for the Art Ross trophy.

Perhaps that will change down the road with AV.
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The Renney teams with Jagr and Nylander put up a lot of offense.
 
There's no way Callahan's coming back. If he couldn't get a NTC from us at the deadline, he's certainly not getting one come July 1st. He's going to get big offers with full NMCs from some other team, and he's going to take it.

He's just "leaving the door open" because he's a professional and is not going to burn any bridges with the NYR organization, which has been very accommodating of former players (FO jobs and whatnot).
 
I'm not impressed with Richards play as a whole. He may have 45 points but unless he has all the time and room in the world he looks terrible. Before we got him, we all heard about his vision and play making skills. I understand he's older now but those skills are pretty poor at this stage of his career. The amount of times that he just throws the puck around when he gets it without lifting his head up is ridiculous.
 
Crease said:
You'd expect Callahan to say what he said there. What Richards had to say, on the other hand...now that was interesting.
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I've been ripped apart on these boards in the past for suggesting Callahan's leadership was extremely overrated. I'm not really a talk surprised to hear this, though I am surprised for Richards to come out and say it. The fact that he did speak up and didn't really sugar coat it, to me suggests he really didn't think much of Cally as a captain.
 
The comments from Richards have had me thinking all day about how actually young this team is and how maybe in the off season signing an older player who can provide some type of leadership(while actually being able to contribute something on the ice) to a short contract wouldn't be such a terrible idea, instead of letting some of the UFA's go to have their spots filled by rookies.
 
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