Proposal: Calgary - Philly

[Hockeypete49]

Although I don't believe he's traded....

Provorov/Sanheim
Schenn
Konecny

Cap notwithstanding.

This has to be a joke.....right? If serious then it would be better if I have no comment.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Gaudreau is not overrated. He's the real deal, just like Ghost is.

 

[phlocky]

Young stars rarely get traded. Actually good comparables would be Carter and Richards. Both were traded for two really nice pieces. I'd say Schenn + Provarov.

When Carter was traded he returned an 8th OA pick, a 3rd rnd pick, and a struggling former 5th OA pick while Carter was just one year removed from a 45 goal season. JG just isn't on that level yet so his value should be slightly less than what Carter's was. Now, Schenn is a first line winger and much more valuable than JV was at the time of that trade. With what Provo has proved thus far in juniors he holds a fair bit more value that an 8th OA pick.

JG would not return that much in a trade

 

[Homesick]

That...

And Eberle doesnt have the talent to imagine he is as good as Gaudreau

Eberle sophomore season(age 21) 78GP 34G 42A 76Pts
Gaudreau's sophomore season(age 22) 79GP 30G 48A 78Pts

Yea, not even close

 

[Starat327]

When Carter was traded he returned an 8th OA pick, a 3rd rnd pick, and a struggling former 5th OA pick while Carter was just one year removed from a 45 goal season. JG just isn't on that level yet so his value should be slightly less than what Carter's was. Now, Schenn is a first line winger and much more valuable than JV was at the time of that trade. With what Provo has proved thus far in juniors he holds a fair bit more value that an 8th OA pick.

JG would not return that much in a trade

Don't forget that Carter was locked up, with term and a very manageable cap hit, at the time of the trade.

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

Eberle sophomore season(age 21) 78GP 34G 42A 76Pts
Gaudreau's sophomore season(age 22) 79GP 30G 48A 78Pts

Yea, not even close

Check those shooting percentages and get back to me.

 

[NYCFlyer]

Gaudreau is not overrated. He's the real deal, just like Ghost is.

Absolutely true. He does however play a much easier position to play when your undersized. I would argue that a player like Ghost is actually more rare and the biggest issue for Ghost will be staying healthy. He has had a torn ACL and abdominal and hip surgeries in the last three years.

 

[Paper]

Gaudreau's worst rumour is that he likes skittles.

Carter's "rumours" went a bit beyond that and most of them were confirmed. Not exactly a comparable situation. The Flames want Gaudreau long-term, the Flyers were looking to get rid of Carter before they were forced to keep him long-term.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

Absolutely true. He does however play a much easier position to play when your undersized. I would argue that a player like Ghost is actually more rare and the biggest issue for Ghost will be staying healthy. He has had a torn ACL and abdominal and hip surgeries in the last three years.

The Flames already have Gio, Dougie, a couple intriguing prospects in Kylington and Andersson on the backend. Then we have Brodie, who is currently our best and most valuable player. If we didn't have Brodie, I wouldn't be so quick to dismiss a Ghost for Gaudreau deal, but right now Johnny fills a far greater need on our team. Again, both are outstanding.

 

[Homesick]

Check those shooting percentages and get back to me.

.You're really reaching if thats your argument that "Eberle doesnt have the talent to imagine he is as good as Gaudreau" Both are soft one dimensional wingers.
JG 90 give aways 41 take aways 26 hits 10 blocked shots
JE 47 give aways 40 take aways 45 hits 24 blocked shots

There's some more useless stats. He's vastly overrated(although still a very valuable piece) and about to get massively overpaid(more than Eberle thats for sure)

 

[WhiskeyYerTheDevils]

.You're really reaching if thats your argument that "Eberle doesnt have the talent to imagine he is as good as Gaudreau" Both are soft one dimensional wingers.
JG 90 give aways 41 take aways 26 hits 10 blocked shots
JE 47 give aways 40 take aways 45 hits 24 blocked shots

There's some more useless stats. He's vastly overrated(although still a very valuable piece) and about to get massively overpaid(more than Eberle thats for sure)

One dimensional meaning he doesn't throw body checks? Because he's extremely responsible in his own end and excellent on the back check and breakout.

Eberle has never reached Gaudreau's level without unsustainable shooting percentages.

 

[Flamesjustwin]

.You're really reaching if thats your argument that "Eberle doesnt have the talent to imagine he is as good as Gaudreau" Both are soft one dimensional wingers.
JG 90 give aways 41 take aways 26 hits 10 blocked shots
JE 47 give aways 40 take aways 45 hits 24 blocked shots

There's some more useless stats. He's vastly overrated(although still a very valuable piece) and about to get massively overpaid(more than Eberle thats for sure)

Lol, JG is not one dimensional like Eberle and has oodles more talent. Hilarious.

 

[InfinityIggy]

.You're really reaching if thats your argument that "Eberle doesnt have the talent to imagine he is as good as Gaudreau"

Why not? Its no coincidence that Eberle's best season by far coincides with an unsustainable shooting percentage.

 

[SmellOfVictory]

Why does every JG thread have to include mathematically illiterate people bringing up Jordan Eberle and a subsequent pissing match? They're not comparable players, Gaudreau isn't overrated, and Eberle doesn't suck.

 

[Dertell]

.You're really reaching if thats your argument that "Eberle doesnt have the talent to imagine he is as good as Gaudreau" Both are soft one dimensional wingers.

It's not "reaching" when 2012 Eberle had +4.8 Shooting% over his career average and Gaudreau's was the same as his first.

 

[qwerty]

Eberle sophomore season(age 21) 78GP 34G 42A 76Pts
Gaudreau's sophomore season(age 22) 79GP 30G 48A 78Pts

Yea, not even close

It's not just about the raw scoring totals as overall scoring is lower today with the improved defensive systems and goaltender interference rules in place. It's actually about overall placement. Eberle finished tied for 15th in league scoring that year whereas Gaudreau finished tied for 6th this year. That in itself is a big difference.

 

[Dack]

It's not "reaching" when 2012 Eberle had +4.8 Shooting% over his career average and Gaudreau's was the same as his first.

And the +5.25% in on ice shooting percentage, In his sophomore season he lead the NHL in on ice shooting percentage with a % of 12.75 which is a 70% increase from the 7.5 he had in his rookie season. Whereas Gaudreau's on ice shooting percentage went down by 1% from his rookie season. (Both at Even Strength)

 

[mdm815]

Since sh% is coming into play now, can an expert give me some numbers on Jake? I'm pretty sure his was considerably lower than his career average last season

 

[InfinityIggy]

Since sh% is coming into play now, can an expert give me some numbers on Jake? I'm pretty sure his was considerably lower than his career average last season

If you are asking if Voracek's numbers will rebound next year, I think the answer to that is most likely a yes.

 

[Tripod]

Since sh% is coming into play now, can an expert give me some numbers on Jake? I'm pretty sure his was considerably lower than his career average last season

It was 4.8 below the previous year....only 5.2 vs 10% the year before. Given his shots, it was a difference in 10 goals. And that makes sense since he only had 11 goals as opposed to 20+ the previous 3 years. It also impacted Giroux and contributed to his drop in points.

Jake had 55 points in 73 games....a 62 point pace. Add in the extra goals from his shooting % rebounding and he puts up 70+ points....which is right where he has paced the last 4 years.

 

[mdm815]

Yeah that was kinda my point. Trade value aside (which has already been covered by both fanbases), my only issue was the implication that Jake is an overpaid 60 pt player(not pointing any fingers fwiw). If high shooting percentages are unsustainable so are low ones. Love both players, no need to tear either one down

 

[YP44]

I kinda like the OP deal.