Proposal: Calgary - Edmonton

[OvermanKingGainer]

Backlund is not a "bigger" piece than Nugent Hopkins. His career high is 47 points.

Nuge is the "bigger" piece like you said, as he is a former first overall pick who is still on the right side of 25. But Backlund is the better piece for a team that wants to grind out 2-1 "W"s. Nuge is the piece that got every opportunity to toe drag around with Hall/Eberle with offensive zone faceoffs in the past and is still living off that era offensively. I have seen nothing to suggest he could handle Backlund's zone starts - he is competent defeneively but no one is confusing him for a shutdown guy like Backlund who turns his water-wingers into wine-wingers.

Hey, Nuge will have a good career. Reminds me of Matt Stajan in that he was thrust into a role that was in over his head but found a good fit as a bottom six guy. I just don't see much to convince he is better than Backlund or a better contract value than Backlund going forward.

 

[Reinhart]

So this is the funny part:

Hamilton right now is WAY better than Nurse. Offensively not even close, and defensively I say he is better. He has also started playing more physically, though Nurse is MUCH better at that aspect of the game. They are both huge (Dougie being an inch or two taller) and skate really well. Fair summary?

Keep that in mind, as you read the next paragraph, and you can understand why Calgary would have zero interest in this proposal:

21 year old Darnell Nurse has this 'incredible room to grow and develop', so the Flames would be betting that he would catch up to old man 23 year old Dougie Hamilton who has hit his absolute ceiling and is a finished product.

Makes total sense. Where do I sign?

 

[Soundwave]

Nuge is the "bigger" piece like you said, as he is a former first overall pick who is still on the right side of 25. But Backlund is the better piece for a team that wants to grind out 2-1 "W"s. Nuge is the piece that got every opportunity to toe drag around with Hall/Eberle with offensive zone faceoffs in the past and is still living off that era offensively. I have seen nothing to suggest he could handle Backlund's zone starts - he is competent defeneively but no one is confusing him for a shutdown guy like Backlund.

Hey, Nuge will have a good career. Reminds me of Matt Stajan in that he was thrust into a role that was in over his head but found a good fit as a bottom six guy. I just don't see much to convince he is better than Backlund or a better contract value than Backlund going forward.

He is a considerably better player than Backlund when he's playing well.

Backlund is a 35 point player, last year may well have been his career year.

The Flames have the third worst goals against in the league I believe, and were terrible last year in this category too, so how many 2-1 wins have they been grinding out the last two years.

 

[DropIt]

He is a considerably better player than Backlund when he's playing well.

Backlund is a 35 point player, last year may well have been his career year.

The Flames have the third worst goals against in the league I believe, and were terrible last year in this category too, so how many 2-1 wins have they been grinding out the last two years.

Well then it's been a few years since he has been playing well. Backlund has been a better player since Nugent-Hopkins' rookie season and that is starting to look far more like the outlier than the norm

 

[Homesick]

nnnnnope! Hamilton has not been a good fit in the western conference at all.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

nnnnnope! Hamilton has not been a good fit in the western conference at all.

And you have no idea what you're talking about

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Well then it's been a few years since he has been playing well. Backlund has been a better player since Nugent-Hopkins' rookie season and that is starting to look far more like the outlier than the norm

Well, except that one March where no one took the Oilers remotely seriously and Hopkins became Mario Lemiuex while other teams were happy with the half-assed win

 

[Homesick]

And you have no idea what you're talking about

Please show me the proof that he's been better in Calgary than he was in Boston. He can't hide behind Brodie/Gio/Wideman forever. He's pretty much the Jordan Eberle of defenseman. Sure he puts up points but not much else

 

[FlamerForLife]

Please show me the proof that he's been better in Calgary than he was in Boston. He can't hide behind Brodie/Gio/Wideman forever. He's pretty much the Jordan Eberle of defenseman. Sure he puts up points but not much else

Hasn't been on the ice for an ES goal against since being paired with Gio ~10 games ago, but yeah sure Hamilton sucks.

 

[East Coast Icestyle]

Please show me the proof that he's been better in Calgary than he was in Boston. He can't hide behind Brodie/Gio/Wideman forever. He's pretty much the Jordan Eberle of defenseman. Sure he puts up points but not much else

Show me proof that he's bad defensively?

He leads our team in advanced stats and plays on the top pairing. Leads defensemen jlin scoring for us.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

Hasn't been on the ice for an ES goal against since being paired with Gio ~10 games ago, but yeah sure Hamilton sucks.

Not quite accurate, by close enough. Brodie-Hamilton got caught on an awkward one against the Bruins (Pastrnak goal) and Gio-Hamilton with the Hathaway line got scored on from the high slot by a Flyer (Nothing the defensemen could have done)

 

[DropIt]

Please show me the proof that he's been better in Calgary than he was in Boston. He can't hide behind Brodie/Gio/Wideman forever. He's pretty much the Jordan Eberle of defenseman. Sure he puts up points but not much else

He doesnt have to better than he was in Boston

He has been arguably our best defenseman since about December of last season getting acclimated to the new system and team.

However your comparison of Eberle to a defenseman sure does sound like Dennis Wideman. Dennis Wideman is the Jordan Eberle of defenseman.

 

[Soundwave]

Hasn't been on the ice for an ES goal against since being paired with Gio ~10 games ago, but yeah sure Hamilton sucks.

That doesn't really prove your point, he's saying Hamilton gets exposed when he's not paired with someone like Giordano.

 

[McFlyingV]

Well then it's been a few years since he has been playing well. Backlund has been a better player since Nugent-Hopkins' rookie season and that is starting to look far more like the outlier than the norm

2013-14 56P in 80G vs 39 in 76
2014-15 56P in 76G vs 27 in 52

Go on

 

[tony d]

Yeah, can't see a deal between these 2 teams ever happening.

 

[Soundwave]

Well then it's been a few years since he has been playing well. Backlund has been a better player since Nugent-Hopkins' rookie season and that is starting to look far more like the outlier than the norm

RNH
2012-13: 24 points in 40 games

Backlund
2012-13: 16 points in 32 games

RNH
2013-14: 56 points in 80 games

Backlund:
2013-14: 39 points in 76 games

RNH:
2014-15: 56 points in 76 games, made All-Star team

Backlund:
2014-15: 27 points in 52 games

RNH:
2015-16: 34 points in 55 games

Backlund:
2015-16: 47 points in 82 games

Err, which season was Backlund better?

RNH is a 55 point-ish center, which a decent 2nd line center in this league. He is just fighting it right now.

Backlund is a 35-40 point third line center.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

That doesn't really prove your point, he's saying Hamilton gets exposed when he's not paired with someone like Giordano.

So? Brent Seabrook "gets exposed" (much harder) when he's not paired with Keith, Erik Karlsson "gets exposed" when he's not paired with Methot, and Brent Burns "gets exposed" when he's not paired with Paul Martin, Oscar Klefbom "gets exposed" when he's not paired with Adam Larsson. It takes at least three guys to defend on a string, ideally five.

 

[BigRangy]

You guys have like 5 Giordanos, Hamilton would be fine.

Pass. Not downgrading at both positions.

 

[OvermanKingGainer]

RNH
2012-13: 24 points in 40 games

Backlund
2012-13: 16 points in 32 games

RNH
2013-14: 56 points in 80 games

Backlund:
2013-14: 39 points in 76 games

RNH:
2014-15: 56 points in 76 games, made All-Star team

Backlund:
2014-15: 27 points in 52 games

RNH:
2015-16: 34 points in 55 games

Backlund:
2015-16: 47 points in 82 games

Err, which season was Backlund better?

RNH is a 55 point-ish center, which a decent 2nd line center in this league. He is just fighting it right now.

Backlund is a 35-40 point third line center.

Context must mean nothing to you. Even Matt Stajan was a 57 point centre when he played Ryan Nugent Hopkins minutes/PP time.

 

[Soundwave]

So? Brent Seabrook "gets exposed" (much harder) when he's not paired with Keith, Erik Karlsson "gets exposed" when he's not paired with Methot, and Brent Burns "gets exposed" when he's not paired with Paul Martin, Oscar Klefbom "gets exposed" when he's not paired with Adam Larsson. It takes at least three guys to defend on a string, ideally five.

Klefbom does alright without Larsson.

If your guys' D is so great, why is it stuck again third last in the league in goals against after being atrocious last year too.

I don't think Dougie Hamilton is the answer to anything in Edmonton. He hasn't impacted the Flames in a positive way, I will take my chances with seeing how Nurse pans out (far more physical, harder to play against type of player).

We need more secondary scoring not less, so Backlund in for Nugent Hopkins does what ... exactly? Less offence?

 

[tmurfin]

No. I like RNH, but his cap wouldn't fit long term. I'm also opposed to dealing Hamilton.

Agreed.

I also have a hard time seeing any "big" name trade go down between us. Too much risk.

 

[DropIt]

2013-14 56P in 80G vs 39 in 76
2014-15 56P in 76G vs 27 in 52

Go on

minus 12 both seasons, not to mention he was playing with Hall and Eberle. Backlund's further stats were better or compareable in many ways while playing lesser minutes, making less money and is better defensively

 

[McFlyingV]

minus 12 both seasons, not to mention he was playing with Hall and Eberle. Backlund's further stats were better or compareable in many ways while playing lesser minutes, making less money and is better defensively

Odd to bring up context after bringing up +/- out of context. Backlund was a -13 on a -24 team in 2011-12. I'll let you look at Nuge's +/- compared to his team's +/- in those seasons.

 

[Homesick]

Just stop. Your embarrassing yourself. Seriously. This is a mercy kill. Stop

Just saying he's hiding behind WIDEMAN ffs pretty much sums up your intelligence. Hamilton has been our best d-man so far this season. So tell me, how is he hiding behind guys he's leading right now?

You need to get a clue before you post again

You're the one that needs to quit using aerosols in confined spaces.
He's a number 4 defenseman on a crap team that plays weak ass minutes. You homers keep spewing crap that you can't back up.
He's #4 in even strength, #5 PK ice time. #3 in QoC.
But I guess he gets fed PP minutes and OZ starts so that makes him a good defenseman right???

 

[YennoItFlames]

RNH
2012-13: 24 points in 40 games

Backlund
2012-13: 16 points in 32 games

RNH
2013-14: 56 points in 80 games

Backlund:
2013-14: 39 points in 76 games

RNH:
2014-15: 56 points in 76 games, made All-Star team

Backlund:
2014-15: 27 points in 52 games

RNH:
2015-16: 34 points in 55 games

Backlund:
2015-16: 47 points in 82 games

Err, which season was Backlund better?

RNH is a 55 point-ish center, which a decent 2nd line center in this league. He is just fighting it right now.

Backlund is a 35-40 point third line center.

All you have are points and games played? Everyone knows Backlund is way better defensively, plays better on the PK, but eh? Defense means nothing right?