Post-Game Talk: Calder twins do it again! Jets win 3-2 in overtime

[YWGinYYZ]

Not me!

What I did say was that I wanted to see Scheifele tried out on the wing before the Jets considered sending him down. At the time, I thought Scheifele would end up like numerous junior centres, unable to translate as a centre in the NHL and more suited to the wing. Oops.

Remember when Scheifele looked like he was chasing the play at both ends of the rink? Haven't seen that in well over a month. He's doing everything that a good centre should be doing. Strength is the only component that's missing at this point.

I've always been a big Scheifele homer, so what I'm going to say next probably won't come as a surprise: he'll be a PPG centre next year, and take over as our #1C (in a scoring role - I still think Little has the goods to deliver in a 2 way shut-down role).

 

[Holden Caulfield]

One of the chief complaints by fans of teams Maurice coached previously said he would ride veteran forwards incredibly hard and the only way a rookie could get recognition is if he played unbelievably well. Despite this though he seems to have a longer leash on O'Dell than Noel did and I think he even promoted him off of the 4th line later in the game?

It's early, but I think I might like this coach.

Agreed not seeing this AT ALL. This was after O'Dell's penalty. He has often talked about looking past a mistake here and there to see the whole picture...which is generally the reason young players can't catch a break. Maurice is not showing this tendency at all.

 

[Sweech]

I've always been a big Scheifele homer, so what I'm going to say next probably won't come as a surprise: he'll be a PPG centre next year, and take over as our #1C (in a scoring role - I still think Little has the goods to deliver in a 2 way shut-down role).

If we stick with Maurice I definitely see that as being the case. Little has shown he has 2-way acumen and can play against the other team's tops and Scheifele has shown the ability to capitalize against weaker competition. Maurice has shown the ability to realize this and we're starting to see it already.

Will Scheifele be ppg is the bigger question. Hard to say, but recently he's been trending that way for sure.

Agreed not seeing this AT ALL. This was after O'Dell's penalty. He has often talked about looking past a mistake here and there to see the whole picture...which is generally the reason young players can't catch a break. Maurice is not showing this tendency at all.

From his pressers it seems like coaching in Russia has changed quite a bit about how he coaches now.

 

[pucka lucka]

Well, all that proves afaic is that Team USA made a mistake... but let's not go down that road. I just don't get how people get off calling him a liability when he puts in so many points. Like, sure he turns the puck over sometimes. So does everyone, it happens. But they don't have the excuse of scoring boatloads of points.

Seriously. I don't understand why this is so hard to understand. Everything about Buff says good guy, great player, good team mate and he takes non-stop crap from the media and fans? Why? Why does Pavelec get 3 years worth pass when he's actually pretty terrible? Why aren't fans pissed about Thorburn playing half the season on the 3rd line? Mark Stuart dragging anyone he plays with into a black hole?

 

[Drivebytrucker]

The knock that Maurice wouldn't play or develop younger players was never true.

If you're not NHL material and deserve to be in the AHL (Zac Dalpe, Zac Boychuck, etc.) then yes, you will not play.

There's never been a single example of Paul Maurice not playing somebody who went on to develop into a superstar for another NHL team.

 

[Savagestevo]

Agreed not seeing this AT ALL. This was after O'Dell's penalty. He has often talked about looking past a mistake here and there to see the whole picture...which is generally the reason young players can't catch a break. Maurice is not showing this tendency at all.

Perhaps his time in the KHL changed him as a coach? But yeah if was like the way people described him O'Dell probably wouldn't have played for the rest of the game, especially because I believe that was the PP Edmonton scored on as well.

 

[Savagestevo]

The knock that Maurice wouldn't play or develop younger players was never true.

If you're not NHL material and deserve to be in the AHL (Zac Dalpe, Zac Boychuck, etc.) then yes, you will not play.

There's never been a single example of Paul Maurice not playing somebody who went on to develop into a superstar for another NHL team.

Oh, so I'm guessing those comments might have been made by people who believe Maurice was the reason why those players never worked out?

 

[meedle]

I've always been a big Scheifele homer, so what I'm going to say next probably won't come as a surprise: he'll be a PPG centre next year, and take over as our #1C (in a scoring role - I still think Little has the goods to deliver in a 2 way shut-down role).

Its going to be Scheif, Kane and Eberle next year.

 

[DarthMonty]

One of the chief complaints by fans of teams Maurice coached previously was that he would ride veteran forwards incredibly hard and the only way a rookie could get recognition is if he played unbelievably well. Despite this though he seems to have a longer leash on O'Dell than Noel did and I think he even promoted him off of the 4th line later in the game?

It's early, but I think I might like this coach.

Maybe he's learned from his mistakes, no? Good coaches learn. Pete Carroll is a good example. As well, I'm willing to bet Mark Trestman's Bears will be a lot different next year, and he will use Cutler a lot differently, because this year he learned to be a HC in the NFL.

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Maybe he's learned from his mistakes, no? Good coaches learn. Pete Carroll is a good example. As well, I'm willing to bet Mark Trestman's Bears will be a lot different next year, and he will use Cutler a lot differently, because this year he learned to be a HC in the NFL.

Yup, Maurice seems to be very forward thinking. I liked him when they brought him in, everything he has done (beyond the W's) is just making me like him more. Makes me just more frustrated for the 2.5 years we wasted on Noel.

 

[YWGinYYZ]

Maybe he's learned from his mistakes, no? Good coaches learn. Pete Carroll is a good example. As well, I'm willing to bet Mark Trestman's Bears will be a lot different next year, and he will use Cutler a lot differently, because this year he learned to be a HC in the NFL.

Yep: people learn, and adapt/change.

It's a bit of a weird situation too: Maurice is not really familiar with this line-up yet, so there aren't really any "favourites", outside of the really well known players. IMHO, this gives guys like O'Dell the opportunity to play his game without worrying about a few mistakes here and there.

 

[JetsFan815]

Speaking of clean slates, I think its about time Tangradi gets another shot. There is no reason for both Thorburn and Peluso to be on the team at the same time. Lets see what he can do under the new coach

 

[Hank Chinaski]

I've always been a big Scheifele homer, so what I'm going to say next probably won't come as a surprise: he'll be a PPG centre next year, and take over as our #1C (in a scoring role - I still think Little has the goods to deliver in a 2 way shut-down role).

That would be amazing. I'm not ready to project him as a PPG centre just yet, but he's certainly trending in that direction.

 

[Sweech]

Yup, Maurice seems to be very forward thinking. I liked him when they brought him in, everything he has done (beyond the W's) is just making me like him more. Makes me just more frustrated for the 2.5 years we wasted on Noel.

I'll admit I remember not thinking highly of him when he was in Carolina and I wasn't too happy when we hired him.

Everything he's said and done so far in this short time here have completely altered my opinion.

 

[Hank Chinaski]

Yup, Maurice seems to be very forward thinking. I liked him when they brought him in, everything he has done (beyond the W's) is just making me like him more. Makes me just more frustrated for the 2.5 years we wasted on Noel.

Was so happy when I saw O'Dell on Scheifele and Wheeler's line in the third.

Rewarding players for playing effectively? What a novel concept!

 

[Sweech]

Was so happy when I saw O'Dell on Scheifele and Wheeler's line in the third.

Rewarding players for playing effectively? What a novel concept!

O'Dell definitely needs to adjust his game to not take one hooking penalty a game though.

 

[pegjets]

Good effort, unlucky not to have won in regulation if a couple pucks bounced our way. I really appreciated the effort this afternoon and never giving up, especially after giving that equalizing goal up late.

I thought Pav didn't have a fantastic game, and I think he was partly responsible for the second goal not controlling the rebound on the soft shot... however he didn't have some okay saves. He wasn't really a difference maker though.

Little was awesome on that first goal, Buff was great, Wheeler worked hard, and our rookies stole the show. I thought collectively the team work rate was great, and we only had individual lapses here and there which is to be expected.

 

[JetsFan815]

Need to rush out so I'll just comment on the last part. The reason his value is low right now is because he is a defensive liability. His value will skyrocket as a producing forward. His defensive shortcomings are the reason he's not on team USA despite his fantastic offensive output.

Also I'd imagine his value would be highest to a GM who sees him as a very good forward who also has the ability to play as a D if they run into injury troubles. That is a huge extremely rare intangible in this league.

You have it backwards... as a defender Buff is a guaranteed 55-60 point player. As a forward his production in Chicago was average and even if he's improved since I doubt anyone would argue that Buff's ceiling as a forward is more than a 65 point player. A 55 point defenseman is so much more valuable than a 65 point forward. Even in the best case scenario in the "Buff as forward experiment" his trade value goes down

 

[Holden Caulfield]

Speaking of clean slates, I think its about time Tangradi gets another shot. There is no reason for both Thorburn and Peluso to be on the team at the same time. Lets see what he can do under the new coach

Neither one got onto the ice in the 3rd (and Wright only played PK). If you cannot trust those guys to play AT ALL in the 3rd, it's time to try other guys, IMO.

 

[JetsFan815]

Remember when Scheifele looked like he was chasing the play at both ends of the rink? Haven't seen that in well over a month. He's doing everything that a good centre should be doing. Strength is the only component that's missing at this point.

Remarkable thing about Scheifele is that in the beginning of the season whenever he would get hit he would stop skating for a second and the play would get away from him. Today he took two hits on his way to scoring that goal. It just shows how far he has come and it's great to see.

 

[meedle]

Neither one got onto the ice in the 3rd (and Wright only played PK). If you cannot trust those guys to play AT ALL in the 3rd, it's time to try other guys, IMO.

I think its more of a case that they were behind after 2 and ran only 3 lines to get more offense.

 

[Guardian17]

Trouba and Scheifele were amazing tonight!

We beat the Oilers and all is right in the world!

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Suck it Oilers! Suck it long! Suck it hard!

 

[PerryPooley]

Super happy to see how 55 is turning out. What a relief to know we probably have our franchise centre sewn up. Next up, top 4 dman (Morrisey, eventually) and an elite goalie.
I'm not a Pav hater, I just think we could do better.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Thorburn limped off one shift. Not sure I saw him on the bench afterward. Ellerby too for that matter - took a puck in the face and a shot off the foot on the same shift and didn't see the ice again.