Confirmed with Link: Cagnoni signed to ELC

[LadyStanley]

 

[Saskatoon]

Has an ELC ever made people this upset before?

 

[Cas]

Has an ELC ever made people this upset before?

Yes, recently, but that wasn't us.

Very much a different reason, too.

 

[Tw1ster]

Yes, recently, but that wasn't us.

Very much a different reason, too.

Was it a certain Habs prospect?

 

[coooldude]

How many defensemen of that height are drafted or signed to ELCs?

It's clearly an impediment, unless you have sufficient skills to offer. The Sharks current management obviously believed Cagnoni has something to offer. The question is whether they were correct.

What we need is a % of players in the CHL and other development leagues that are 5'9" and 5'10", then we need a % of all drafted players at those heights, (bonus how many signed ELCs) and we have the end point which is % of defensemen playing NHL at that height. We can then determine how uphill the journey is for a player of that height. I, of course, am far too lazy to pursue this information.

 

[timorous me]

Has an ELC ever made people this upset before?

Ha, well, at least I don't think anyone here is mad about the ELC itself, since it's impossible to argue he doesn't deserve one after the season he just had.

It's just that on a deeper level it triggered some people, who then triggered other people, and now here we are!

 

[Gecklund]

Was it a certain Habs prospect?

A certain Bruins/Coyotes prospect

 

[Pavelski2112]

Or Dan Boyle getting pulverized by Maxim Lapierre. Blues

Still one of the scariest moments I've ever watched in my time being a hockey fan

 

[Mattb124]

Has an ELC ever made people this upset before?

C'mon, no one out-upsets this board.

What we need is a % of players in the CHL and other development leagues that are 5'9" and 5'10", then we need a % of all drafted players at those heights, (bonus how many signed ELCs) and we have the end point which is % of defensemen playing NHL at that height. We can then determine how uphill the journey is for a player of that height. I, of course, am far too lazy to pursue this information.

You are management material...

 

[mogambomoroo]

I'm just happy we have defencemen prospect thriving, let's get it going! If he manages to become what I've projected 2nd pair 2nd PP defencemen, we have won in life. I will believe until proven other wise.

 

[hohosaregood]

this is all shaping up to Axel Landen being the only one to make the show other than Muk.

 

[Cas]

this is all shaping up to Axel Landen being the only one to make the show other than Muk.

Eli Barnett, future All Star.

 

[Juxtaposer]

Has an ELC ever made people this upset before?

I feel like any time a player under 6’0” gets an ELC this board argues about it for days.

 

[Mattb124]

I feel like any time a player under 6’0” gets an ELC this board argues about it for days.

Yeah, people should just be happy that players we drafted are on a trajectory to be signed to an ELC.

 

[timorous me]

Yeah, people should just be happy that players we drafted are on a trajectory to be signed to an ELC.

And not just because we have no one else to give them to. Now we have guys who--while still question marks long-term--have been doing very well, way better than what we saw in previous years from our prospects, which feels like a very positive harbinger (even though you obviously can't guarantee anything at this stage).

 

[Jargon]

Luca’s an easy guy to cheer for and I think if I had to bet on one player that far exceeds expectations, it’s him.

I think he’ll make the AHL next season. Hopefully he’s hitting the gym and working on his skating over the next few months.

 

[67 others]

I feel like any time a player under 6’0” gets an ELC this board argues about it for days.

We do have a lot of folks who stereotype short players here and seem phobic of short guys despite lots of 5'9 guys making huge impacts in the NHL

 

[WSS11]

I remember Ian White being a nice add for our 2011 run. 5’10 185 soaking wet. Cagnoni doesn’t have to be “the guy” but he can be a good piece for our defense.

 

[mogambomoroo]

I remember Ian White being a nice add for our 2011 run. 5’10 185 soaking wet. Cagnoni doesn’t have to be “the guy” but he can be a good piece for our defense.

Exactly, he doesn't need to be the savior of our defence. I think for his projection, he is doing a fine job. If he can pair up with a bigger more stay at home defencemen, he can be quite an add for the future.

 

[Jargon]

Can we have Luca play with Muhk and they can be the Twins line?

 

[bigsjfan]

I feel weight/build will be more of a factor then height. If he is sturdy enough to take the hits then he should be okay at being an effective NHL player

 

[mogambomoroo]

To be honest Luca Cagnoni has something in his overall presence/look that I can see in the NHL. Like I can see him as a player for years in NHL game with updated picture every year and all (in a NHL team) This is not based on his performance, just a fan vibe.
Not to mention he has all of the opportunity to take a spot in the Sharks system since we don't have a lot of traffic in the defence department.

 

[gaucholoco3]

We do have a lot of folks who stereotype short players here and seem phobic of short guys despite lots of 5'9 guys making huge impacts in the NHL

How many 5’9” players are actually making huge impacts. Even more important how many 5’9” defensemen are making huge impacts.

Only 5 total scored more than 40 points, all of which are forwards.

Only 12 scored more than 20 points, one 1 (Krug) is a defenseman.

Only 21 total scored even a single point, adding only a second defenseman (Spurgeon)

Playing in the NHL and succeeding at 5’9” or smaller is incredibly rare. It is a physical contact sport.

 

[67 others]

How many 5’9” players are actually making huge impacts. Even more important how many 5’9” defensemen are making huge impacts.

Only 5 total scored more than 40 points, all of which are forwards.

Only 12 scored more than 20 points, one 1 (Krug) is a defenseman.

Only 21 total scored even a single point, adding only a second defenseman (Spurgeon)

Playing in the NHL and succeeding at 5’9” or smaller is incredibly rare. It is a physical contact sport.

Are you looking at last year only or something? Expand that list to 5 foot 9 and a half or 5 foot 10 and it's not terribly uncommon a height. Spurgeon , Matt Grzelcyk, Krug, vatanen, Girard...u could go on and on. Sime hockeydb sites never change a person's height from their draft year, even if they grew 2 inches.

And yeah he is listed as 5 foot 10 and a half, some say 5 foot 8 on several sources.

In any case, we may have a Decent player here. He's blowing expectations out of the water thus far. Something to be happy about in a prospect, not curmudgeon. If you want to be a negative Nancy, glass is half empty, kinda outlooker, that's up to you

But I mean, damn, if you want to say Johnny hockey or Marchand couldn't possibly be that good because they are short....Dan Boyle must have sucked too.

 

[jarr92]

If you want to know you can read it here. This is for player evaluations, not prospects, but you can see the complexity.

Wins Above Replacement — High Level Overview

Thanks, to be clear I already know how the models work. I just thought it was funny that Hodge would bash on Bader's model a couple days after trying to use Mr. Rooster/JFresh's model to prove his point regarding Barabanov. IMO both models have similar credibility in 2024, not great.

Re: Cagnoni, he put up great numbers obviously but seeing him in person I was left with wanting more. The games I went to, he struggled with D against junior players. I mostly saw him at the end of the year though, so he might've been playing injured.