That and it felt like he thought he could skate by with just the Junior game so his red flags were there. I loved the boom/bust potential but he just didn't wanna learn the toolsMerkley made absurd passes in junior but yea I've always speculated he couldn't process the game quick enough in the pros and lost the tool that made him a star.
Like I said, you don’t want a team full of tiny defensemen. But one guy under 6’0”, especially a guy who is not at the top of your lineup, is perfectly fine.Well, do they? Vegas certainly didn't have any. Neither did the Avs for the final 2.5 rounds. Nor the Bolts, famously. Blues top 6 was Bouwmeester, Pietrangelo, Parayko, Edmundson, Bortuzzo, Gunnarsson. Starting to sense a pattern here...
Arguing is the point in this case.Lol what is there to argue about? We just a 4th round pick after a great year in the WHL. He either goes back to rack up points again or plays a lesser role in the AHL.
This. Size certainly matters but it isn’t really height, it’s strength. People tend to focus on height because taller guys with a bigger frame tend to be able to add more strength. You need to have enough bulk and strength to be at least somewhat effective on the boards and in front of the net. Eklund is a perfect example. He’s added enough strength to his frame so he can hold his position and even win some battles. He’s never going to dominate but at least he’s in the fight.Cagnoni just needs to build muscle. 183 at his stature is bulky
Height correlates with reach which is a positive attribute for defensemen.This. Size certainly matters but it isn’t really height, it’s strength. People tend to focus on height because taller guys with a bigger frame tend to be able to add more strength. You need to have enough bulk and strength to be at least somewhat effective on the boards and in front of the net. Eklund is a perfect example. He’s added enough strength to his frame so he can hold his position and even win some battles. He’s never going to dominate but at least he’s in the fight.
Isn’t the point of signing him to an ELC so they can give him a shot at camp for the AHL roster? If he isn’t good enough, they can just as readily send him back to the WHL.I know this devolved at times, but I think multiple things can be true and everyone is saying pretty similar things *about Luca*
- models are useful
-but only for squinting at, particularly for a sport like hockey and particularly if the model is driven mostly on points (NHLe)
- online sports personalities have an incentive to overstate the importance of models - Hodge showed two such examples, Cagnoni and Merkley, where the poster made definitive statements based on models whose outputs weren't supporting such definitive statements
- even so, Cagnoni is on a great trajectory for a 4th round pick
- even so, his path to the NHL is a very uphill one and the numbers are against him due to his size, as well as every other factor against any prospect
- it was the right thing to sign him to an ELC and it's fun and exciting for us sharks fans
- he may or may not be ready for the AHL, this seems to be where the actual disagreement is in 5 pages but even so everyone seems to agree he should be given a tryout
Yes, exactly. Maybe there are other intricacies that I don't understand but it seems pretty clear he's going to attend camp and get a shot at a Cuda roster spot.Isn’t the point of signing him to an ELC so they can give him a shot at camp for the AHL roster? If he isn’t good enough, they can just as readily send him back to the WHL.
Don't they have surgery where they break your legs and then extend them so you get taller?
Stankylegg and Berdard dont have turn their backs and go into the corner and arent at risk of getting crunched to oblivion when the opposition dumps the puck in.Stankoven is 5'8'', Boyle is 5'11'', Berdard is the same height as Cags. They aren't apples to apples but I think just chill a bit.
It only has the tiny side effect that you wont be able to run for years, but the upside that you look very unproportional and awkwardI'm looking forward to seeing Luca skate with the fishes while I enjoy some cannoli.
Don't they have surgery where they break your legs and then extend them so you get taller?
i'm having nightmare flashbacks to 2019 when Brayden Schenn would fly in and crush our D well after they moved the puck.Stankylegg and Berdard dont have turn their backs and go into the corner and arent at risk of getting crunched to oblivion when the opposition dumps the puck in.
Get outta here with your logic and reason, what is this nonsenseI know this devolved at times, but I think multiple things can be true and everyone is saying pretty similar things *about Luca*
- models are useful
-but only for squinting at, particularly for a sport like hockey and particularly if the model is driven mostly on points (NHLe)
- online sports personalities have an incentive to overstate the importance of models - Hodge showed two such examples, Cagnoni and Merkley, where the poster made definitive statements based on models whose outputs weren't supporting such definitive statements
- even so, Cagnoni is on a great trajectory for a 4th round pick
- even so, his path to the NHL is a very uphill one and the numbers are against him due to his size, as well as every other factor against any prospect
- it was the right thing to sign him to an ELC and it's fun and exciting for us sharks fans
- he may or may not be ready for the AHL, this seems to be where the actual disagreement is in 5 pages but even so everyone seems to agree he should be given a tryout
i'm having nightmare flashbacks to 2019 when Brayden Schenn would fly in and crush our D well after they moved the puck.
I just try to forget, it's not worthwhile to remember those evil thingsi'm having nightmare flashbacks to 2019 when Brayden Schenn would fly in and crush our D well after they moved the puck.
How many defensemen of that height are drafted or signed to ELCs?One metric to consider: per NHL.com there were 315 D that played this season. 8 were listed at 5’9” and 8 were listed at 5’10”. Those players account for right at 5% of total D. Being 5’9” or 5’10” appears to be a considerable albeit not insurmountable impediment to NHL success.