Confirmed with Link: Cagnoni signed to ELC

[Saskatoon]

Merkley made absurd passes in junior but yea I've always speculated he couldn't process the game quick enough in the pros and lost the tool that made him a star.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

Merkley made absurd passes in junior but yea I've always speculated he couldn't process the game quick enough in the pros and lost the tool that made him a star.

That and it felt like he thought he could skate by with just the Junior game so his red flags were there. I loved the boom/bust potential but he just didn't wanna learn the tools

 

[Juxtaposer]

Well, do they? Vegas certainly didn't have any. Neither did the Avs for the final 2.5 rounds. Nor the Bolts, famously. Blues top 6 was Bouwmeester, Pietrangelo, Parayko, Edmundson, Bortuzzo, Gunnarsson. Starting to sense a pattern here...

Like I said, you don’t want a team full of tiny defensemen. But one guy under 6’0”, especially a guy who is not at the top of your lineup, is perfectly fine.

Cale Makar is a small defenseman no matter how you slice it. 5’11”.

 

[BaileyMacTavish]

Cagnoni just needs to build muscle. 183 at his stature is bulky

 

[Stewie Griffin]

Lol what is there to argue about? We just signed a 4th round pick after a great year in the WHL. He either goes back to rack up points again or plays a lesser role in the AHL.

 

[one2gamble]

 

[Cas]

Lol what is there to argue about? We just a 4th round pick after a great year in the WHL. He either goes back to rack up points again or plays a lesser role in the AHL.

Arguing is the point in this case.

 

[CupfortheSharks]

Cagnoni just needs to build muscle. 183 at his stature is bulky

This. Size certainly matters but it isn’t really height, it’s strength. People tend to focus on height because taller guys with a bigger frame tend to be able to add more strength. You need to have enough bulk and strength to be at least somewhat effective on the boards and in front of the net. Eklund is a perfect example. He’s added enough strength to his frame so he can hold his position and even win some battles. He’s never going to dominate but at least he’s in the fight.

 

[NiWa]

While some of JTR/Roosters takes were polarizing, he was transparent about his research and how he developed the model. It's still available to read today, see links here:

More importantly, whenever pressed about statistic models (including his own) and the rankings of a specific player, he was the first to point out that they could never replace real scouting and are solely a complimentary tool to help evaluate prospects.

Context means everything and he understood that.

 

[Mattb124]

This. Size certainly matters but it isn’t really height, it’s strength. People tend to focus on height because taller guys with a bigger frame tend to be able to add more strength. You need to have enough bulk and strength to be at least somewhat effective on the boards and in front of the net. Eklund is a perfect example. He’s added enough strength to his frame so he can hold his position and even win some battles. He’s never going to dominate but at least he’s in the fight.

Height correlates with reach which is a positive attribute for defensemen.

 

[Internazionale]

Congrats Luca. Can't wait to see you in a teal jersey.

 

[Pavelski2112]

As someone who is 5'6", I won't stand for this short king erasure

 

[coooldude]

I know this devolved at times, but I think multiple things can be true and everyone is saying pretty similar things *about Luca*
- models are useful
-but only for squinting at, particularly for a sport like hockey and particularly if the model is driven mostly on points (NHLe)
- online sports personalities have an incentive to overstate the importance of models - Hodge showed two such examples, Cagnoni and Merkley, where the poster made definitive statements based on models whose outputs weren't supporting such definitive statements
- even so, Cagnoni is on a great trajectory for a 4th round pick
- even so, his path to the NHL is a very uphill one and the numbers are against him due to his size, as well as every other factor against any prospect
- it was the right thing to sign him to an ELC and it's fun and exciting for us sharks fans
- he may or may not be ready for the AHL, this seems to be where the actual disagreement is in 5 pages but even so everyone seems to agree he should be given a tryout

 

[sharks_dynasty]

I know this devolved at times, but I think multiple things can be true and everyone is saying pretty similar things *about Luca*
- models are useful
-but only for squinting at, particularly for a sport like hockey and particularly if the model is driven mostly on points (NHLe)
- online sports personalities have an incentive to overstate the importance of models - Hodge showed two such examples, Cagnoni and Merkley, where the poster made definitive statements based on models whose outputs weren't supporting such definitive statements
- even so, Cagnoni is on a great trajectory for a 4th round pick
- even so, his path to the NHL is a very uphill one and the numbers are against him due to his size, as well as every other factor against any prospect
- it was the right thing to sign him to an ELC and it's fun and exciting for us sharks fans
- he may or may not be ready for the AHL, this seems to be where the actual disagreement is in 5 pages but even so everyone seems to agree he should be given a tryout

Isn’t the point of signing him to an ELC so they can give him a shot at camp for the AHL roster? If he isn’t good enough, they can just as readily send him back to the WHL.

 

[coooldude]

Isn’t the point of signing him to an ELC so they can give him a shot at camp for the AHL roster? If he isn’t good enough, they can just as readily send him back to the WHL.

Yes, exactly. Maybe there are other intricacies that I don't understand but it seems pretty clear he's going to attend camp and get a shot at a Cuda roster spot.

 

[Hangemhigh]

I'm looking forward to seeing Luca skate with the fishes while I enjoy some cannoli.

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Don't they have surgery where they break your legs and then extend them so you get taller?

 

[Munnyro]

Stankoven is 5'8'', Boyle is 5'11'', Berdard is the same height as Cags. They aren't apples to apples but I think just chill a bit.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

Stankoven is 5'8'', Boyle is 5'11'', Berdard is the same height as Cags. They aren't apples to apples but I think just chill a bit.

Stankylegg and Berdard dont have turn their backs and go into the corner and arent at risk of getting crunched to oblivion when the opposition dumps the puck in.

 

[themelkman]

I'm looking forward to seeing Luca skate with the fishes while I enjoy some cannoli.


Don't they have surgery where they break your legs and then extend them so you get taller?

It only has the tiny side effect that you wont be able to run for years, but the upside that you look very unproportional and awkward

 

[tiburon12]

Stankylegg and Berdard dont have turn their backs and go into the corner and arent at risk of getting crunched to oblivion when the opposition dumps the puck in.

i'm having nightmare flashbacks to 2019 when Brayden Schenn would fly in and crush our D well after they moved the puck.

 

[DG93]

I know this devolved at times, but I think multiple things can be true and everyone is saying pretty similar things *about Luca*
- models are useful
-but only for squinting at, particularly for a sport like hockey and particularly if the model is driven mostly on points (NHLe)
- online sports personalities have an incentive to overstate the importance of models - Hodge showed two such examples, Cagnoni and Merkley, where the poster made definitive statements based on models whose outputs weren't supporting such definitive statements
- even so, Cagnoni is on a great trajectory for a 4th round pick
- even so, his path to the NHL is a very uphill one and the numbers are against him due to his size, as well as every other factor against any prospect
- it was the right thing to sign him to an ELC and it's fun and exciting for us sharks fans
- he may or may not be ready for the AHL, this seems to be where the actual disagreement is in 5 pages but even so everyone seems to agree he should be given a tryout

Get outta here with your logic and reason, what is this nonsense

In all seriousness, thank you for this well thought-out post. Totally agreed and it summarizes a three-page debate nicely imo

 

[RussianShark]

i'm having nightmare flashbacks to 2019 when Brayden Schenn would fly in and crush our D well after they moved the puck.

Or Dan Boyle getting pulverized by Maxim Lapierre. Blues

 

[Mattb124]

One metric to consider: per NHL.com there were 315 D that played this season. 8 were listed at 5’9” and 8 were listed at 5’10”. Those players account for right at 5% of total D. Being 5’9” or 5’10” appears to be a considerable albeit not insurmountable impediment to NHL success.

 

[hotcabbagesoup]

i'm having nightmare flashbacks to 2019 when Brayden Schenn would fly in and crush our D well after they moved the puck.

I just try to forget, it's not worthwhile to remember those evil things

 

[Cas]

One metric to consider: per NHL.com there were 315 D that played this season. 8 were listed at 5’9” and 8 were listed at 5’10”. Those players account for right at 5% of total D. Being 5’9” or 5’10” appears to be a considerable albeit not insurmountable impediment to NHL success.

How many defensemen of that height are drafted or signed to ELCs?

It's clearly an impediment, unless you have sufficient skills to offer. The Sharks current management obviously believed Cagnoni has something to offer. The question is whether they were correct.