C William Nylander (2014, 8th, TOR) V [Mod warning in OP]

[Whileee]

Nylander has elite skating. Grit is overrated (Being able to use your body as an advantage is not but just throwing a hit here and there is overrated from someone of Ehlers' stature), and Ehlers doesn't have it in spades either.

For me, Hockey IQ trumps all and that's why I prefer Nylander. Who has that + The talent to back it up in spades.

If you don't think Ehlers has elite hockey IQ, then you haven't watched him play much. I don't think there's much separating Nylander and Ehlers in hockey IQ.

 

[King In The North]

Nylander isn't above Larkin or Ehlers in IQ, on par.

 

[Whileee]

Its very obvious who actually watches Nylander and who doesn't.
The main negative I can think of is he appears to float in the D zone but when you look at the big picture on the play he is actually doing a good job of blocking lanes and taking away space and time.
In terms of offensive talent, IQ etc he is ahead of Larkin and Ehlers. Once he is playing in the NHL it won't take long for that to be evident

Watch Ehlers play a bit more. His offensive talent and hockey IQ are elite. There's really not much evidence that Nylander is ahead of Ehlers in those areas.

 

[Coatsy79]

What happened to the old "if 2 prospects are close I'd take the centre" argument?

Guess that only counts when the centre prospect isn't a leaf

Nylander could easily have made the NHL as a winger

That's not what the leafs want for him

Why are so many other prospects being brought up in a Nylander thread it's very weird

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

What happened to the old "if 2 prospects are close I'd take the centre" argument?

Guess that only counts when the centre prospect isn't a leaf

Nylander could easily have made the NHL as a winger

That's not what the leafs want for him

Why are so many other prospects being brought up in a Nylander thread it's very weird

It happens to every top Leafs prospect. Rather than talk about the player at hand, other fans would rather talk about other prospects who are supposedly doing better than he is to tear him down.

Also there seems to be this incessant need to tell Leafs fans how the team we cheer for is actually being run, not like we follow the team religiously and the franchise is under constant scrutiny from the fans. No we don't know how our prospects are being developed and brought along, some schmuk from Michigan knows the real going ons regarding the Leafs and their prospects.

 

[Minty Cowboy]

Just scored in the first period for the Marlies against Albany

 

[Willy Stylez]

And he scores.

 

[HeroNtF]

1 goal nylander in 1st period of todays game. game tied 1-1.

 

[acrobaticgoalie]

I disagree. You can 'say so' all you want. Doesnt make it so.



Fair enough. I picked Ehlers over Nylander for these reason:

True, Nylander has better on ice vision. He is talented . But so is Ehlers. Ehlers also has blazing speed Nylander doesnt have, and just as important is the fact Ehlers has a GRIT to his game that is very important at the NHL level. This dimension is one that Nylander simply does not have.

For those reasons, I say Ehlers is the better prospect.



I think Leaf fans saw Nylander play in the AHL last year against 'men' as opposed to the supposedly PATHETIC QMJHL that Ehlers dominated and ran with that fact.

Now the shoe is on the other foot . I think bragging about Nylander simply because he had the opportunity to play in the SHL and AHL instead of being prisoner in the CHL was a mistake.

The fact that you said Nylander doesnt have blazing speed tells me you haven't actually watched him play. He is like Mcdavid in the sense that it doesnt look like he is skating hard but still manages to seperate himself around defensemen for breakaways.

Ehlers is insulated on a team with good vets like Little, Ladd and Wheeler. There was no point in having Nylander play on a team of lazy backcheckers and guys brought in to flip for picks. People need to acknowledge that Nylander is one of the top prospects in the world and stop hating on him just because he was drafted by the leafs

 

[Romang67]

The fact that you said Nylander doesnt have blazing speed tells me you haven't actually watched him play. He is like Mcdavid in the sense that it doesnt look like he is skating hard but still manages to seperate himself around defensemen for breakaways.

Ehlers is insulated on a team with good vets like Little, Ladd and Wheeler. There was no point in having Nylander play on a team of lazy backcheckers and guys brought in to flip for picks. People need to acknowledge that Nylander is one of the top prospects in the world and stop hating on him just because he was drafted by the leafs

Who's saying that Nylander isn't one of the best prospects in the world?

 

[The Winter Soldier]

That's a funny change of opinion considering you were all over the Conte rumour 2 months ago, and that was an outside source.

They run a very tight ship. More so now that Lou is here. Nothing is getting out unless they want it to.

But back to the topic, I watched Nylander this preseason. He was great against the rookies, as he should be. But was less so against the pros. If he knocked it out of the park as Shanahan said it was up to players to force their ways into this leafs line up. He didn't do enough. That's my opinion based on what I saw this preseason.

Nevertheless, I think he is close, as earlier I said I don't need to see any more games to know he can play in the AHL. I know he can.

 

[X66]

This might shock people, but Nylander is an even better skater overall than Ehlers.

 

[Minty Cowboy]

Adds another assist on the game tying goal 2 points tonight

 

[Mashed Potatoes]

This might shock people, but Nylander is an even better skater overall than Ehlers.

as if you are the only person who sees the truth

 

[bobbyt 91*]

Who's saying that Nylander isn't one of the best prospects in the world?

I do find it funny that its usually the center over the Winger if they are close but I guess thats just for non Leafs

 

[Romang67]

I do find it funny that its usually the center over the Winger if they are close but I guess thats just for non Leafs

I'd say it's usually the best prospect according to people over the prospect that they don't consider as good.

If people consider Ehlers a better prospect than Nylander, why would they rank Nylander above Ehlers just because he's a C? That doesn't make much sense, does it?

 

[Pi]

I'd say it's usually the best prospect according to people over the prospect that they don't consider as good.

If people consider Ehlers a better prospect than Nylander, why would they rank Nylander above Ehlers just because he's a C? That doesn't make much sense, does it?

Nylander is just better than Ehlers. It's okay if most of HFBoards hasn't realized it yet, when he is in the NHL it will be a no-brainer.

 

[Atomos2]

I just came to see how Nylander is doing and all I see is Larkin this and Elhers that. its not far to compare these player yet, maybe 3 years down the road. Fyi both Larkin and Elher are playing with Top six players

I know its annoying. Someone tell these Jets fans and Wings fans that those guys have threads of their own, they don't need to hijack this one. I'm at the marlies game that just finished, I look at my phone in this thread thinking I'm gonna hear about posters praising Nylander's great performance and all I see is f***ing Ehlers this and Larkin that. Use your own thread dammit.

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

mods help.....

nylander off to a good start for the marlies this year, hes the go to man
anyone have his face off numbers thus far?

 

[bobbyt 91*]

I'd say it's usually the best prospect according to people over the prospect that they don't consider as good.

If people consider Ehlers a better prospect than Nylander, why would they rank Nylander above Ehlers just because he's a C? That doesn't make much sense, does it?

The people that don't consider Nylander as good are either biased or have not watched Nylander much.

 

[Romang67]

The people that don't consider Nylander as good are either biased or have not watched Nylander much.

That's quite the claim. Are you saying that, unless people agree with you that Nylander is as good or better than Ehlers, they are wrong or biased?

It is flat out impossible to think that Nylander is not the best prospect of the bunch?

 

[bobbyt 91*]

That's quite the claim. Are you saying that, unless people agree with you that Nylander is as good or better than Ehlers, they are wrong or biased?

It is flat out impossible to think that Nylander is not the best prospect of the bunch?

well when you look at the position they play and all the quantifiable data, Nylander and Ehlers are close, close enough that tie goes to the center

 

[Menzinger]

That's quite the claim. Are you saying that, unless people agree with you that Nylander is as good or better than Ehlers, they are wrong or biased?

It is flat out impossible to think that Nylander is not the best prospect of the bunch?

You can think whatever you like but there's nothing tangible at this point to suggest either is the better player than Nylander. Right now is all subjective opinions based off a pretty limited sample size of data.

 

[Romang67]

well when you look at the position they play and all the quantifiable data, Nylander and Ehlers are close, close enough that tie goes to the center

In your opinion.

People simply do not agree with you. Despite what you apparently think, this does not mean that people are simply wrong or that they are biased. It means that they do not agree.

 

[snizzbone*]

Some people think Ehlers is better, some think Nylander is better.

Who is right? Nobody because they are f***ing teenagers who haven't even touched their potentials.