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C Trevor Zegras (2019, 9th, ANA)

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Gliff said:
I don’t get why we are comparing their points at even strength. They were on the same line. They both contributed to each other’s success at even strength.
I personally think Zegras was the driver for the line, but Turcotte was a major part of the success.
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I’m not. Merely correcting an incorrect post.

As to the discussion, I don’t see the need for these types of discussions. All players who have success usually benefit from line-mates, but rarely are they a product of their line-mates. Players deserve individual credit for their success. And when they don’t play well, usually their line-mates is a factor, but also usually the player needs to take most of the blame.

However, I think the initial point about his points compared to the nearest teammate is a little deceiving. I think that’s what the Kings fan was pointing out.

Getz2noone said:
And does turcotte not benefit from playing with zegras at even strength ?
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See above.
 
Pavel Buchnevich said:
I’m not. Merely correcting an incorrect post.

As to the discussion, I don’t see the need for these types of discussions. All players who have success usually benefit from line-mates, but rarely are they a product of their line-mates. Players deserve individual credit for their success. And when they don’t play well, usually their line-mates is a factor, but also usually the player needs to take most of the blame.

However, I think the initial point about his points compared to the nearest teammate is a little deceiving. I think that’s what the Kings fan was pointing out.
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Idk how it’s deceiving? Power play points count the same as regular points? And it’s not like zegras was ass at 5 on 5. And both turcotte and zegras benefitted off each other 5 on 5 but if you take zegras away from turcotte does he score as much?
 
Getz2noone said:
Idk how it’s deceiving? Power play points count the same as regular points? And it’s not like zegras was ass at 5 on 5. And both turcotte and zegras benefitted off each other 5 on 5 but if you take zegras away from turcotte does he score as much?
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If you are trying to make a point that a player was so much better than their teammates at scoring but the best offensive player of the teammates doesn’t get anywhere near the offensive deployment, it’s deceiving.
 
JohnnyDrama said:
I guess power-play points don’t mean as much, they don’t translate to the NHL level
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This is disingenuous. No one took anything away from Zegras. The point being made by the Ducks fan was deceiving and the Kings fan mentioned so. To be up in arms about this is silly. Zegras deserves his credit, but the point being made was deceiving. That’s all there should be to this.
 
Zegras and Turcotte are going to be asked to do very different things at the NHL level most likely. Zegras is the most talented forward in Anaheim's system and will be asked to be an offensive driver. Turcotte will most likely be asked to be a defensive/2 way C since Byfield will likely be that offensive 1C for LA. Assuming they reach their realistic potentials, Zegras will always get more recognition because he's flashy and will put up more points, but Turcotte is still going to be a key piece for LA and a type of player you need to win. Both franchises should be happy with their pick for different reasons.
 
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Atomos2 said:
Sorry if I hurt your feelings Petterssonic but it is what it is. Don't feel bad, it's a compliment to a kid who has tons of promise. Pettersson is still a great player hence the comparison.
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Pettersson is one of the best in the league already. So you think Zegras will be generational or something?
 
It's hard to bet against him. The NHL will probably hit him in the mouth, but he has shown a knack for successfully adapting. We will see pretty soon.
 
Rabid Ranger said:
Right, Elias Pettersson, the ultimate sacred cow. Good lord I hope this guy actually lives up to the hype from his Petterkins.
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Why do you hate him so much?

I’ve responded to you saying stuff like this many times but he’s a top ten 5 on 5 producer and has a top 10 goal differential at even strength. He’s elite and when he’s on the ice he’s usually getting 2/3 of the goals share. For some reason you never respond.

Me thinks you’re just jealous you ended up with Lias Anderson
 
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Petterssonic said:
Pettersson is one of the best in the league already. So you think Zegras will be generational or something?
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I don’t see any reason why ?Zegras couldn’t reach a similar level of greatness that Pettersson is at. True Zegras isn’t in the National League, and has lots to prove, but his skills are fantastic. Really the only thing that could hold him back is whether he’s mentally tough enough to take the beating coming his way as a superstar. I’m looking forward to seeing him play, that’s for sure.
 
Getz2noone said:
Idk how it’s deceiving? Power play points count the same as regular points? And it’s not like zegras was ass at 5 on 5. And both turcotte and zegras benefitted off each other 5 on 5 but if you take zegras away from turcotte does he score as much?
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PP points don't count anymore, even when you and one other player(Boldy) completely drive the success of it
 
I was hoping he'd play a bit for the Gulls by the time they let fans back in, but I won't be holding my breath.
 
Luckylarry said:
I don’t see any reason why ?Zegras couldn’t reach a similar level of greatness that Pettersson is at. True Zegras isn’t in the National League, and has lots to prove, but his skills are fantastic. Really the only thing that could hold him back is whether he’s mentally tough enough to take the beating coming his way as a superstar. I’m looking forward to seeing him play, that’s for sure.
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Maybe creativity and hands, but he has nowhere near Petterssons shot which is what makes him so dangerous, dual threat of play making and being a sniper.
 
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Westcoastsniper said:
Maybe creativity and hands, but he has nowhere near Petterssons shot which is what makes him so dangerous, dual threat of play making and being a sniper.
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He's also about 1.5-2 inches shorter than Pettersson. That may not seem like much, but having that small amount of extra reach is a clear advantage at the highest levels
 
Preposterone said:
He's also about 1.5-2 inches shorter than Pettersson. That may not seem like much, but having that small amount of extra reach is a clear advantage at the highest levels
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There's nothing about Pettersson's physique that gives him an edge in the NHL.
 
Petterssonic said:
Pettersson is one of the best in the league already. So you think Zegras will be generational or something?
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No, if I thought Zegras would be generational I would've said I think he will be generational. Thinking he projects to be better than Pettersson does not correlate to thinking he's generational. Just that he's on track to become a really really good player.
 
Brodeur said:
I was hoping he'd play a bit for the Gulls by the time they let fans back in, but I won't be holding my breath.
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I think it's pretty sure we will see Z play NHL games this year, but most of the Ducks fans (including me) actually hopes he goes and settles in the AHL first.
We will see. Our competition on LW is not that great depending how Comtois and Jones improve (or not). Milano I guess is a known commodity at this point.

Btw Eakins pretty much confirmed last night that they will not put Z in the center in the NHL at the start. So LW it is. Perhaps if he goes to San Diego (Irvine), then he could be played in as a C.
 
420Canuck said:
Why do you hate him so much?

I’ve responded to you saying stuff like this many times but he’s a top ten 5 on 5 producer and has a top 10 goal differential at even strength. He’s elite and when he’s on the ice he’s usually getting 2/3 of the goals share. For some reason you never respond.

Me thinks you’re just jealous you ended up with Lias Anderson
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They have Lafrenière, Panarin, Zibanejad, and Kakko. I'm sure the whole Rangers fanbase is in agony about that one pick.
 

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