I still see that type of upside. I could be totally wrong, but he still hasn't proven a 1C track yet.
C Shane Wright (2022, 4th, SEA) Part 4
- Thread starter GermanSpitfire
- Start date
-
Xenforo Cloud will be upgrading us to version 2.3.5 on March 3rd at 12 AM GMT. This version has increased stability and fixes several bugs. We expect downtime for the duration of the update. The admin team will continue to work on existing issues, templates and upgrade all necessary available addons to minimize impact of this new version. Click Here for Updates
I still see that type of upside. I could be totally wrong, but he still hasn't proven a 1C track yet.
Totally agree.
He now has 29 points in 52 games. .558 ppg.
He absolutely needs to shoot the puck more. a lot more.
He's only taken 52 shots on net, in 52 games.
avg 1 shot per game.
his S% is currently over 21%, which likely isn't sustainable...
he's going to have to increase his shot output just to keep this current pace.
Voight
#winning
He's 21 years old. Give the kid time.
Breakfast of Champs
Registered User
- Apr 15, 2007
- 3,150
- 3,354
Yeah he's 21, I meant he absolutely has 1C upside and those who labelled him a 2C at best were completely out to lunch
He's absolutely tracking to be a 1C
JoeThorntonsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
What legit 1Cs were unable to exceed 1 shot per game in their D+3 season?
I’m sure you can find a few, but it’s well outside the norm. Looking at NHL Network’s top 20 centers, Hintz (who wasn’t in the NHL) is the only guy who failed to do so. JT Miller and Robert Thomas were only a little over 1 shot per game, but everybody else was very close to or above 2 in their D+3.
The lack of shot volume is Wright’s biggest red flag but you could probably repeat this exercise with any metric. Legit 1Cs usually show way more at his age than he has so far.
Voight
#winning
Ahh wasn't sure if your comment was coming from a negative or positive view.
BKarchitect
Registered User
We can debate all day what a “legit #1C” is to convolute this discussion even further. Considering there are certainly not 32 of them by most people’s standards and JTM, Hintz, and Thomas are arguably 3 of the top 15 centers in the league - I’m not sure pointing those 3 out as exceptions and saying “see there’s virtually no chance Wright can be a 1C because his shot totals at age 20 in bottom six minutes are so low” is quite the mathematical oddity or ceiling cap it’s being made out to be. Miller scored 3 goals in 30 games at Wright’s age so this is certainly not some bulletproof methodology here.
He’s looking like a very solid #4 overall pick who is trending in the right direction after a bit of stutter in a not unusual non-linear development path. Whether that leads to “true #1 C level” by any random person’s definition or he tops out as a really effective 2C or just generally good “top six center” certainly yet to be discovered.
But as a skeptic of his, I’ve been pretty impressed. Not like “blown away”…but he’s looking better and better.
He’s looking like a very solid #4 overall pick who is trending in the right direction after a bit of stutter in a not unusual non-linear development path. Whether that leads to “true #1 C level” by any random person’s definition or he tops out as a really effective 2C or just generally good “top six center” certainly yet to be discovered.
But as a skeptic of his, I’ve been pretty impressed. Not like “blown away”…but he’s looking better and better.
JoeThorntonsRooster
Don’t say eye test when you mean points
Nowhere did I say he has virtually no chance of it, but I am pushing back on the statement that he is "absolutely tracking" to achieve it.
Using any reasonable definition of #1C - even if it is just "one of the top 32 centers in the league" - you will find that Wright has done substantially less than most of them had done at the same point in their careers across pretty much every metric.
hamzarocks
Registered User
I think he should be as good as Kadri, Elias Lindholm type centers if he hits middle ground for his potential
Both were very solid 2Cs with a few 1C like years in there.
Playstyle is ofcourse different than both but a 45-50 pt C as a D+3 player shows promise for a long career of getting 60-70 pt player in his prime.
He is suprisingly producing almost as much as Beniers who I thought would be ahead due to larger role + more experience in the NHL level
- Apr 27, 2005
- 36,131
- 36,004
I don't know about that, seems like they were actually right on with their assessments
No he's really not. Dude is riding a 11.7% on ice shooting percentage at 5v5 and 14.4% in all situations and is still scoring at only a 45 point pace.
Last edited:
OilersFanatics505
Registered User
- Aug 11, 2008
- 5,770
- 5,608
That’s what happens when you’re third on the depth chart for centers… you don’t get as many minutes.
The two centers ahead of him are shooting at 12.4% and 18.2% in Berniers and Stephenson respectively.
Also I don’t know where you got 14.4% from? Hockeyreference has it at 21.2% for Wright average 13:32 minutes per game.
He’s also only 1 point behind Berniers this season.
Seems to me it’s utilization that’s the problem and not a him problem.
- Apr 27, 2005
- 36,131
- 36,004
It's his on ice shooting percentage, not his individual shooting percentage. 14.4% in all situations is really not sustainable.
archangel2
Registered User
- May 19, 2019
- 2,977
- 1,841
Too early to give up on the guy but he is looking like a Ryan Hopkins type player
But I do remember some posters going nuts as he dropped in the draft
But I do remember some posters going nuts as he dropped in the draft
OilersFanatics505
Registered User
- Aug 11, 2008
- 5,770
- 5,608
- Apr 27, 2005
- 36,131
- 36,004
OilersFanatics505
Registered User
- Aug 11, 2008
- 5,770
- 5,608
It's better to look at them separately for on ice shooting percentage. You don't ignore them but they can't be lumped into the same stat.
It took me a while to figure out who you were talking about.
There are some similarities between Nuge and Wright - skilled centers that are not aggressive or puck dominant. I'd like if Wright can show the versatility that Nuge has shown over the years, Nuge was a lot more mature at that age. But I also think Wright might be a perennial 30-40 goal guy even if he isn't driving a lot of shot volume, his shot is just that good.
That was my take in his draft year even when he was driving me nuts - he looked like he'd be a 2C - but a guy who would rack up the goals regardless if he was with a strong puck carrier. A prime Monahan - Gaudreau type of thing. Monahan also doesn't hold pucks for long.
- Apr 27, 2005
- 36,131
- 36,004
OilersFanatics505
Registered User
- Aug 11, 2008
- 5,770
- 5,608
- Apr 27, 2005
- 36,131
- 36,004
OilersFanatics505
Registered User
- Aug 11, 2008
- 5,770
- 5,608
I do know the difference but I don’t see how that matters. He’s got a better On-Ice Shooting Percentage and Shooting Percentage than his consistent linemates.
Which to me shows that he’s carrying that line… so at what point do the stats not show that he’s better than being a 3rd liner being given 13 minutes a night?
He’s even got a better On-Ice Sh% than both centers above him on the depth chart…
Someone tell me if I’m reading his advanced stats wrong…
- Apr 27, 2005
- 36,131
- 36,004
Having an unsustainably high on ice shooting percentage is not a good thing. It means he's likely due for regression.
OilersFanatics505
Registered User
- Aug 11, 2008
- 5,770
- 5,608
From what I can see from the same website you used, he looks to have a higher shooting percentage himself due to his shots being high danger shots and not wasting shots on floaters from bad angles. That also tracks from the games of his that I have seen.
Breakfast of Champs
Registered User
- Apr 15, 2007
- 3,150
- 3,354
He just hates Wright and has said a million times he won't amount to anything more than an average player. Wright could score 30 this year and he would come up with some advanced stats for why it's not impressive and how he was right all along.
Wright could get 50 points this year as a 20yo. Nobody knows his ceiling, but it is definitely pretty high. Better to just wait and see
- Apr 27, 2005
- 36,131
- 36,004
His on ice and individual expected goals are both way below his actual goals. That's really not sustainable.
I don't hate him at all, my posts have been extremely supportive, especially with the way he's turned things around.
Latest posts
-
-
-
-
Prospect Info: #69(nice)OA - Hurricanes select LHD Alexander Nikishin (Spartak - KHL)- Latest: Discipline Daddy
-
"Nobody is afraid of Bedard"....Bruce Boudreau- Latest: Warden of the North
Ad
Upcoming events
-
To Advance Liverpool vs Tottenham Hotspur - Tottenham Hotspur leads 1-0Wagers: 5Staked: $3,732.00Event closes- Updated:
-
-
-
-