Prospect Info: C/RW Matthew Savoie, 9th Overall, 2022 NHL Draft - Traded to Moose Jaw 1/4/24
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This take. For a top 10 pick to be not only a trade chip, but a player teams wouldn't even ask for halfway into their first season. This comment needs to be shot into the sun.
Gabrielor
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I don't think his value's gone anywhere.
Hasn't skyrocketed a la WJC Mittelstadt, but that's no guarantee of anything.
He's exactly on projection to where he was drafted. Top 6 impact player, may take a longer dev curve due to size. Brayden Point went back to the CHL D+2, his stats didn't change much from D+0, D+1, and then he scored 40 points his rookie NHL season (16-17), and became their top center by 18-19.
Hasn't skyrocketed a la WJC Mittelstadt, but that's no guarantee of anything.
He's exactly on projection to where he was drafted. Top 6 impact player, may take a longer dev curve due to size. Brayden Point went back to the CHL D+2, his stats didn't change much from D+0, D+1, and then he scored 40 points his rookie NHL season (16-17), and became their top center by 18-19.
old kummelweck
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You need to work on your reading comprehension.
I said:
"not the top prospect other teams will ask for"
your interpretation
"but a player teams wouldn't even ask for halfway into their first season"
Most of the post was about where he was from a development standpoint relative to other prospects, and how he's not exactly where you'd expect and that is why he wouldn't make the Sabres next year unless he took a huge leap.
Doug Prishpreed
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Sounds like it's difficult to NOT rack up points playing next to Benson. I wish we were the lucky team who drafts him, it would be nice to have them two playing together on the sabres.
Except he is the top prospect teams would ask for. Unless you count JJ and Quinn, which I don't. No one is going to drop him down their board 33 games into a season. The Kulich cool-aid is high from the tournament, just like Mitts.
old kummelweck
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No one will drop him down? Hockey Canada did. Look at the roster and see where players that made the roster over Savoie were taken in the '22 draft on that team. And I am not even trashing Savoie - he's going to be an NHLer and he may be better than any other prospect in the system. I'm saying his risk has gone up as a sure-thing as his development arch flattened.
On who qualifies as a prospect, HF at the very least has a firm definition of a prospect, and yes, JJ and Quinn I believe still fall under that. So if I am a GM, say from VAN, and am looking for a trade for Horvat that starts with the Sabres top prospect, that would be Quinn. If you want to remove NHLers from that list, I would say arguably, the next guy would be Ostlund, then maybe Kulich, even without my morning dose of koolaide. Both drafted as centers, both playing in pro leagues and finding success, both steals at their draft position. I will remind you that Kulich is playing in the second best league in the world and producing, as an 18 year old (four months younger than Savoie).
Anyway, I am looking forward to the prospect rankings this year, and even some of the '22 redrafts, after the season.
It's pretty well known HC did not like his whole exemption saga and some think he was snubbed because of it.
GOALOFSSON
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I still see a tenacious top six forward with skill and instincts after he recovered from surgery it took him a minute to start playing his game again and looked better than last year at times not worried about his production as he seems to have had a lack of puck luck and recovered from an injury seems to also be playing deeper in his own zone at times. Still another year in the W then a season in the A should be good no reason to rush him, I still think he has high potential.
The people who are down on him and his development don’t even watch him play. They just check out his DB page for stats.
The Blunder Years
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Really no need to trade Rosen, Savoie, Kulich or Ostlund. Their ELCs and bridges are the key to signing Tage, Quinn, Peterka, Cozens, Dahlin, Samuelsson, and Power long term. Just imagine the forward lines we can roll out if these guys hit a little on their potential.
I do however get the trade off of sending one of them out for a defensive prospect or player of equal or greater value.
I do however get the trade off of sending one of them out for a defensive prospect or player of equal or greater value.
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I love the confidence in our GM and our prospect development, but if you think all 4 guys are gonna hit I've got a bridge to sell you.
That's why people would like to look into using this surplus to move for a proven commodity, because it's extremely unlikely every single one of these guys hits as a contributor.
Those four guys (and Levi) aren’t the surplus of prospects. Those are the blue chip guys with the best chance to hit and the guys teams generally don’t move. We have a very good prospect pool outside these five guys, that’s where we should dip into for trades
Jim Bob
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If they envision Rosen, Savoie, and Kulich as middle six wingers long term, I think they can move one of them.
The more interesting option is if they feel like Savoie, Kulich, and Ostlund all have decent shots at being NHL centers and they really like Rosen's chances, as well.
I wouldn't put all of them in the Untouchable bucket at this point. But, it would have to be a really, really important deal for me to move one of them at this point. And I would likely place more value on them than a team asking.
Rosen could be the most similar to Peterka which isn't exactly a bad thing, but might make him more expendable in the right deal.
The name of the game has and always will be about skating though, and I can't have enough good skaters on my team.
Like others have said, we have zero reason to try to move Rosen, Savoie, Kulich, or Ostlund. If they are the key piece in a blockbuster, and only a blockbuster, then sure depending on the deal. But they shouldn't be Murray-level throw-ins for some lesser trade and definitely not for some short-term asset. Any asset has to fit the window. Marshmallow test.
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MOGlLNY
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obviously, nobody is suggesting otherwise. Has to be a trade that truly catapults us forward.
Nobody is a strong word. Especially when someone hasn't ever liked a prospect from the start or they are impatient and fall in love with players on other teams no matter their age or cost or how they would fit in with what Adams is doing.
Let's say most reasonable people wouldn't suggest we do so.
Matt Ress
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Whatever "hit" means, the real question is what time frame do they need to be productive NHL players and to what degree are they productive.
Teams have gotten better at weeding out busts and players have to work so damn hard just to make the league that you don't see a ton of talented kids fizzle out. Usually it's players with a "Prima Donna" attitude or guys rushed into the league that don't turn some sort of potential. I haven't heard anything like that about any of those mentioned players.
Queue some lowbrow snark about my blind optimism...
MarkusKetterer
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Generally I find when people say “hit” they mean a top 6 player. And when they don’t the player is a bust. But if the player is in the NHL long term, I consider that a hit.
For example, Girgensons is a “bust” because he’s not a top 6 guy. But he is a “hit” because he’s an NHL player.
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We need a defenseman. I am in favor of moving any prospect for an NHL ready defensive prospect of equal value.
The Blunder Years
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My words were "hit a little on their potential". Agree that it is incredibly unlikely that all of them hit their ceilings on draft day but realistically possible they all can be NHLers. Three of them are top 16 picks in their drafts and the other, Kulich, is looking like he slid a lot. Not like we're talking about a bunch of day 2 or three picks here.
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